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Have Obama Haters Hit Rock Bottom?

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The trouble with your argument is that the economy sucks. It's hard to spin the lie that things are getting better when the GNP is extremely low -- close to recession low. The reason the unemployment rate went down is that there are so many people with part time jobs now -- not full time jobs.

Yes, Obama does have a record and it sucks. It's time for change.
 
Jack Springer said:
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The trouble with your argument is that the economy sucks. It's hard to spin the lie that things are getting better when the GNP is extremely low -- close to recession low. The reason the unemployment rate went down is that there are so many people with part time jobs now -- not full time jobs.

Yes, Obama does have a record and it sucks. It's time for change.
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Thank you for the thoughtful post. I don't have to "spin" the truth... and I realized going into my post that it was falling on deaf ears... noone is claiming the economy is great... but I challenge you to find me any respectable economist who would argue that things are not "getting better" compared to what they were when Obama took office... thinking otherwise is delusional. Likewise, I challenge you to explain to me what Mitt is offering that is different from the Bush administration and that tackles the the enormity (as in trillions of dollars) of the budget problem the right is so concerned about. And, just for the record, you do think the Bush administation's economic policy was a disaster, right?

I showed you mine... now it's your turn, big boy... ;)
 
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Yeah, and the USA just experienced it's biggest hiring month in 30 years!

Who would would buy that crap?
 
But the guys at BLS are making big contributions to Obama, proving that they want to help him.
 
ReadyWithReadyWit said:
Thank you for the thoughtful post. I don't have to "spin" the truth... and I realized going into my post that it was falling on deaf ears... noone is claiming the economy is great... but I challenge you to find me any respectable economist who would argue that things are not "getting better" compared to what they were when Obama took office... thinking otherwise is delusional. Likewise, I challenge you to explain to me what Mitt is offering that is different from the Bush administration and that tackles the the enormity (as in trillions of dollars) of the budget problem the right is so concerned about. And, just for the record, you do think the Bush administation's economic policy was a disaster, right?

I showed you mine... now it's your turn, big boy... ;)
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I think that what's in Obama's favor is that while things may not be improving for everyone, everyone knows someone for whom they are getting better. That tells people things are looking up, however slowly.
 
Benvolio said:
But the guys at BLS are making big contributions to Obama, proving that they want to help him.
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So wait, are you attempting to deny the rights of an individual to contribute to a political campaign (all of $2,000 by the way) at the same time you want to defend major corporations spending unlimited funds to buy elections? Since a guy donates to the guy who isn't your candidate, he's automatically lying?

One shred, just one single SHRED of proof is all anyone is asking for to back up these outrageous claims from the right.

JUST

ONE

SINGLE

SHRED

anyone? anyone?

I'll wait.....
 
You realy mean that you want evidence from a Democrat source saying that the Democrat figures are bogus. You will brush aside any other evidence as being from a forbidden source. The BLS donations prove that they are biased and have that motive to to help Obama.
 
This is priceless:

Posted by Benvolio:
But the guys at BLS are making big contributions to Obama, proving that they want to help him.
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Which, he says, means they can't be trusted.

So, Ben, you just proved to us, by your own reasoning, that we shouldn't believe a single word you say: you post supporting Romney, which means you want to help him, which means nothing you say about him can be trusted.

Bravo.
 
Benvolio said:
You realy mean that you want evidence from a Democrat source saying that the Democrat figures are bogus. You will brush aside any other evidence as being from a forbidden source.
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You know what ben? Just this once and in the spirit of fair play, I'm happy to take ANY source, any source at all of your choosing that helps make this case. How's that?

The ONLY condition is that the source lists ACTUAL EVIDENCE that those numbers were cooked to help the president. I'm not talking about innuendo or "a gut feeling" or any of the other crap that's being put out there in the form of a whispering campaign, but an actual morsel of evidence or proof to back up this otherwise outrageous claim.

How's that? Completely your choice and the ball is in your court.

The logical problem of your assertion reminds me of an algebra exercise. Let's say we know that a + b = c. In this case, "a" represents the fact that certain members of BLS made individual contributions to Obama's campaign and let's say "b" represents something like a demonstrable irregularity in the math of the numbers or a cloud of doubt is cast over the numbers by something measurable. "C" would then represent the outcome that the numbers should not be trusted and that the BLS members cooked them to help the president. What you're doing is starting with "a" and assuming that "c" is the only possible outcome.

We know that isn't true.

It doesn't work in algebra and it doesn't work in life.

I'm sure everyone here will be anxiously awaiting the proof of your claim and, remember, ANY source is good so long as it contains evidence.
 
What a surprise - instead of actual facts, Benny just posts some regurgitated talking points from Breitbart.

I guess i'll have to post data from two separate reputable sources:

gallup_unemployment.png


BLS_unemployment.png


Well, look at that...they both match up with minimal variations. Unless that sneaky gay atheist Muslim socialist manipulated the data of both Gallup and the Bureau of Labor without anyone knowing...

Oh, and Benny: "Hussein" means "good" and "handsome" in Arabic. It's so nice that you think that Obama is good and handsome! :D
 
Benvolio said:
But the guys at BLS are making big contributions to Obama, proving that they want to help him.
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We demolished this nonsense in the other thread.

One guy gave $270.00 and the other economist who has been working under administrations since 1993 gave Obama $2000.00;
neither of them is even involved with the unemployment numbers if you look at what they write papers on.

As I also said...you are telling us that there are no contributors to Romney working for BLS?

Prove it.
 
The numbers make sense and to attack the agency that gave Obama a plagued presidency with 8 or above unemplyment for years is par for the course here with the GOP.

If Obama could fix the numbers it would have happened a while back.

This nonsense is what makes these threads boring and tedious. Look, this is the election we all expected, close up to the last. It's too late for Romney to pivot to the center for a win. The hand job Romney is getting from the media is all about ratings, but Romney has to have all four of the next weeks run PERFECTLY to get to where a win is within his grasp.

The internals of the polls and the dynamics of the economy are not in Romney's favor.

Obama will win, but it will be hard up until the last.
 
It's funny that Republicans had no problem before with the BLS's numbers or the way they gathered and analyzed the data. Now that GOP's "OVER 8%!" talking point is nullified, all of a sudden it turns out that Obama was manipulating the numbers the whole time! AND THE PHONE CALL ALSO CAME FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE!
 
ReadyWithReadyWit said:
Thank you for the thoughtful post. I don't have to "spin" the truth... and I realized going into my post that it was falling on deaf ears... noone is claiming the economy is great... but I challenge you to find me any respectable economist who would argue that things are not "getting better" compared to what they were when Obama took office... thinking otherwise is delusional. Likewise, I challenge you to explain to me what Mitt is offering that is different from the Bush administration and that tackles the the enormity (as in trillions of dollars) of the budget problem the right is so concerned about. And, just for the record, you do think the Bush administation's economic policy was a disaster, right?

I showed you mine... now it's your turn, big boy... ;)
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Still waiting patiently ;)... others can jump in too... he might need help...
 
^ We'll all be waiting a long, long time.

One hundred bottles of beer on the wall, one hundred bottles of beer..........
 
What Bush policies do you think were a disaster? Be specific and show a causal connection. In fact, of course, his policies where very successful and we had 5 years of prosperity until the Democrats took Congress in Nov 06.
The meltdown occurred because the Democrats forced banks to make doubtful loans to poor and minorities. Banks complied making variable rate mortgages. Then the Fed raised interest rates, many people defaulted, and the FDIC panicked and the downward spiral began.
You cannot point to any Bush policies which caused the problem or which were disasters.
 
I don't know why I bother wasting my time doing this, especially since you're either not going to read it or just ignore it completely, but here you go, Benny. (BTW - learn to use Bing or Google)

From History News Network
Author: Robert S. McElvaine http://hnn.us/articles/7286.html:

Taken, in the wake of the terrorist attacks three years ago, the greatest worldwide outpouring of goodwill the United States has enjoyed at least since World War II and squandered it by insisting on pursuing a foolish go-it-almost-alone invasion of Iraq, thereby transforming almost universal support for the United States into worldwide condemnation.

Promoted the extraordinarily dangerous doctrine of preemptive war.

Presided over the loss of more than a million American jobs, the worst record since Herbert Hoover.

Misled the American public about weapons of mass destruction and alleged ties to Al-Qaida in Iraq and so led us into a war that has plainly and predictably made us less secure, caused a boom in the recruitment of terrorists, is killing American military personnel needlessly and is threatening to suck up all our available military forces and be a bottomless pit for the money of American taxpayers for years to come.

Failed to follow through in Afghanistan, where the Taliban and Al-Qaida are regrouping, once more increasing the threat to our people.
Insulted and ridiculed other nations and international organizations and then found it necessary to go, hat in hand, to those nations and organizations begging for their assistance.

Inherited an annual federal budget surplus of $230 billion and transformed it into a $400-plus billion deficit in less than three years. This negative turnaround of nearly three-quarters of a trillion dollars is without precedent in our history.

Perhaps worst of all, wrapped himself in the flag and used the horrors of 9/11 to divert the voters' attention from the disasters that his policies have produced.
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There's tons more of course, but If I copy and pasted all of Bush Jr's. policy failures, I might cause JUB's servers to crash.
 
I was responding to Ready Wits complaint about Bush's "disastrous""economic policies", and asked him to point our any. Please limit your discussion to economic policies and any disastrous results, showing a cause and effect. That is, please point out any disasters you think were the result of an "economic" policy of Bush.
 
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