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HBO's Game of Thrones. ( No Book Spoilers Allowed -- Go to Hell.)

Re: A song of ice and fire: HBO's Game of Thrones

Corny said:
But it is wielded by the Starks. Even their stronghold is plain looking. They are very often described as not caring or wearing much jewelery, ornaments or other accessories.

The ornaments of the other named weapons in the book are described in great details - so it is safe to assume that "ice" is rather simple.
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That's because they're supposed to be 'good' people.

As the story progresses, their 'goodness' looks more and more like unjustified naïvité, given that just about every other member of every other noble family is so vile and/or devious, that it can never be explained why such people should have held such a castle in the first place, even given that their power comes from their actions in Winter. For instance their liegemen, the Boltons, traditionally wear the flayed skins of their vanquished enemies as clothing.
 
Re: A song of ice and fire: HBO's Game of Thrones

Harke the Boeotarch said:
You should try the golden oldies.
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Examples, please.

Harke the Boeotarch said:
As the story progresses, their 'goodness' looks more and more like unjustified naïvité
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Yeah, I believe we were intended to feel that way, or at least, to seriously consider this possibility. That said, I always thought of that naïvité as Eddard's personal failing, his tragic flaw, rather than that of the House itself.

As for how they held Winterfell, I suppose they had the weight of tradition (they built the place, after all), force of arms, and the fealty of at least some loyal lords who bought into the whole honor thing as well. But I think you're right: if Ned's absurdly inflexible code of honor were the salient feature of his House through the ages (I don't recall whether or not this was mentioned in the series, so that may be), I too find it hard to imagine how they remained in power.
 
Re: A song of ice and fire: HBO's Game of Thrones

Fire said:
That said, I always thought of that naïvité as Eddard's personal failing, his tragic flaw, rather than that of the House itself.
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this.


if Ned's absurdly inflexible code of honor were the salient feature of his House through the ages (I don't recall whether or not this was mentioned in the series, so that may be), I too find it hard to imagine how they remained in power.
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there are quite a few of old nan's tales about the stark ancestors that tell a different story.

at the end of CoK when the two bran and rickon hide in the tomb while winterfell is burning it is also mentioned how fearful and brutal some of the ancestors were
 
Re: A song of ice and fire: HBO's Game of Thrones

Fire said:
Examples, please.
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Tales of the Dying Earth - Jack Vance (Omnibus)
Tales from the Flat Earth - Tanith Lee (5 books so far, but each book has a theme of its own)
The Last Unicorn - Peter S. Beagle
Earthsea Trilogy - Ursula LeGuin

Corny said:
there are quite a few of old nan's tales about the stark ancestors that tell a different story.

at the end of CoK when the two bran and rickon hide in the tomb while winterfell is burning it is also mentioned how fearful and brutal some of the ancestors were
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I always thought that the difference between the people up North and the people down South was that
the people from the North basically lived to protect the nation from the Others and because of this had less time for infighting of this kind
 
Re: A song of ice and fire: HBO's Game of Thrones

Harke the Boeotarch said:
Tales of the Dying Earth - Jack Vance (Omnibus)
Tales from the Flat Earth - Tanith Lee (5 books so far, but each book has a theme of its own)
The Last Unicorn - Peter S. Beagle
Earthsea Trilogy - Ursula LeGuin
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Thanks Harke, I'll be heading to the library tomorrow to pick up a couple of these.
 
Re: A song of ice and fire: HBO's Game of Thrones

Well, what'd you cats think of the premier?

I'm giving it full geek endorsement. ..|..| I expected condensed storylines and missing chapters. But it was impressively faithful. Good for HBO.

I have a quibble here and there (Tyrion's casting for instance, sheesh) but nothing that isn't negligible before the generally excellent accomplishment. I'm looking forward to more.

Kat is awesome, the violence is fun, dire wolves, Arya, Joffrey, intrigue, foreboding. It's all very promising. I'm going to try and find a way to watch it next week, too.
 
Re: A song of ice and fire: HBO's Game of Thrones

Just curious, is there anything gay about it?
 
Re: A song of ice and fire: HBO's Game of Thrones

No, not really.
 
Re: A song of ice and fire: HBO's Game of Thrones

zoltanspawn said:
Well, what'd you cats think of the premier?

I'm giving it full geek endorsement. ..|..| I expected condensed storylines and missing chapters. But it was impressively faithful. Good for HBO.

I have a quibble here and there (Tyrion's casting for instance, sheesh) but nothing that isn't negligible before the generally excellent accomplishment. I'm looking forward to more.

Kat is awesome, the violence is fun, dire wolves, Arya, Joffrey, intrigue, foreboding. It's all very promising. I'm going to try and find a way to watch it next week, too.
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I enjoyed it, despite not reading the books (though I'm reading them now!). Though I wasn't fond of the general crude-ness of the show, but it was still a fun watch. Watched in on an HD projector with surround sound was quite a treat!
 
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Jason Momoa is HOT in it. That is all.
 
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I did not read the books but found the first airing incredibly entertaining, thrilling.
 
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finally i got to watch the first two episodes.

so far I really like it, especially most of the cast. however .. i don't really like drogo :( jason momoa is all good and hot. but totally not how i pictured him. also cat (lady stark) is rather weak. she seems so rough yet fragile .. and always pictured her as much "nobler", yet a very strong personality. not sure if i will like jon snow yet, but the other stark siblings are great! and peter dinklage (tyrion) is dead on. really looking forward to see him shine.



thatgirl said:
Okay, I watched the premiere last night.

Some elements of the show made me kind give it the side-eye and I'm glad I'm not the only one who's noticed this:

Can I Just Watch A Game of Thrones in Peace? [Brown Feminist Fan Rant]
Does HBO's "Game of Thrones" have a race problem?
'Game of Thrones': Feminist or not?

Overall, it was pretty good. Kind of slow but I'm sure once they set up the storylines it'll become interesting.
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please continue watching and if you like, slowly start to read the books as well. this criticism is absolutely baseless. this is a fantasy story with incredibly strong (and important) female characters. you might already have seen a hint if you paid close attention to the queen and arya. the "race problem" is a race problem of the viewer because he/she projects his racial stereotypes into a fantasy world that is oriented on medieval times. the drokthari are "wild brown savages" from our point of view and from the little bit of impressions and a "culture shock" that we have seen being thrown at the targaryens. the show of course compresses a lot of things, but i hope that they will show more of those proud people's culture later on.
 
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I'm halfway through reading A Feast For Crows now.

Sadly I missed episode 1 and 2. :(
 
Re: A song of ice and fire: HBO's Game of Thrones

If there is a word to describe the tv series it is RIVETING!
 
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The book series is one of my favorites ever, and I'm greatly enjoying the HBO adaptation for the most part. My only major gripe is all the Dothraki stuff, which has sadly come across so far as cheap cliched fantasy nonsense. I keep waiting for Xena to show up.

Other than that side of things, I'm loving it!
 
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Never even heard of the books.

I've been watching the series and liking it.
 
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I've watched the second and third installments now and I'm more impressed than ever. My initial judgment of Peter Dinklage as a bouffant pedestal has been razed by the actor's ability; he's great.

I've chatted with a few who haven't read the books and it's enormous fun listening to their theories about what is to come.
 
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Awesome series. Love the books. And yeah, there are some definite gays in the books. And you're all going to be quite happy with a scene coming up soon (not sure which episode yet) between Renly and Loras. They are erm... "praying" together. :)

While Renly looks nothing like how he's described in the books, I'm okay with it, because the guy playing him is super fucking hot. So excited his character is gay and we'll get to see certain proof of it.
 
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