Healthcare going forward

[Kulindahr]

^ I'm stunned. I can't imagine that happening, especially in sub-freezing weather.

I'm actually speechless here.

I've actually seen it though happily in warmer weather.

But it's exactly what the GOP thinks is righteous, despite the fact that it is almost specifically condemned by the Old Testament prophets.

 

[Kulindahr]

Why are you stunned? Republican healthcare operates under the crawl off and just fucking die already principle. You can't jeopardize profit by paying to heal slackers, wetbacks, and lazy Negroes.

The problem with that is that profits actually improve if everyone gets covered by insurance.

By Occam's razor, then, it isn't the profits, it's the purposeful abuse of the poor.

And while GOP "evangelicals" try to make the argument that homosexuality will get a nation slammed by God, the prophets of the Old Testament are far, far clearer that lack of mercy and compassion for the poor is on God's "wrath list". They wrap themselves in the Bible and the flag while they spit on the Creator.

 

[Kulindahr]

American principle, everything is legal unless proven otherwise.

I vaguely recall at least one of the Founding Fathers trying to establish a way for citizens to bring situations to the courts before laws or actions were shown to be bad by letting them harm people, but it didn't get any traction because no one could imagine an American behaving that way in the first place.

Politicians backing laws that clearly result in harm to citizens would have been challenged to a duel and removed from the misery of the people. I still say we should bring back dueling just for that: so politicians whose legislation is vile can be sent to discuss it with their Maker.

 

[Kulindahr]

I've read about that happening for years, but it's a little different wheeling someone out of a hospital where they went to get help to a bus stop in freezing weather in only a hospital gown. That, to me, is cruel, heartless, and inhumane. Money should not be more important than someone's life.

Hey, my mom was sent home from a skilled nursing facility with a condition that really demanded that she be in a skilled nursing facility because (as the supervisor explained to me) the Medicare rules say she had to go home and get readmitted for the new condition. As it turned out, it meant they sent her home to die.

Whatever politician or bureaucrat made the rules that way belongs in the deepest level of hell.

 

[Kulindahr]

It's the same issue. A lot of the homeless in cities where State Hospitals are located were discharged from the State Hospital. It's a revolving door. They are admitted for mental illness. The State Hospital gets them on meds. They get better. They get discharged. There's no plan to re-integrate them into society. They have no money to buy their psych meds. They don't take their meds. They have another psychic break. They end up back in the State Hospital (or quite often, they end up in county jails). And the cycle starts over.

There are Federal regulations (and laws in some States) that require discharge planning. Unfortunately, when the patient has no family members, has mental illness and has no ability to pay, the options for where to discharge them to becomes a problem. There's no easy answer when there's no place that has available outpatient beds.

In other words, in terms of care for the mentally ill, the United States lags behind many stone age cultures.

 

[ballcaphair]

Medically there is neglect or abuse. In this case, both apply. With proactive treatment, some of these victims could design their own future. Often they cannot even realize the present.

 

[MakeItTonite]

Medically there is neglect or abuse. In this case, both apply. With proactive treatment, some of these victims could design their own future. Often they cannot even realize the present.

There's something to be said for proactive treatment, but, then, haven't you heard? I think it's the MD's who will be the first to sell their astronomical delinquent debt to anyone who will buy it. Out of sight, out of mind and all that.

 

[bendted]

It's not disturbing. It's misinformed.

Well, 15% of the adult population and a whopping 38% of children are on Medicaid. That's about 29 million adults and and 30 million children.

Of the approximately 70 million covered by Medicaid in 2016:

• 43% are under age 18 years old.
• 10% are over 65 years old.
• 14% are permanently disabled.

Of the remaining 33% - about 3/4 of these adults are in working families who are below the poverty limit for their state. In other words, most of the able-bodied adults on Medicaid ARE already working; either they don't make enough in their job to pay for insurance or their employer doesn't offer them medical group coverage.

Specific to the gay population: Medicaid covers the cost of anti-retrovirals which allows people who have HIV to maintain their health and work where possible.

Of the $553 billion spent on Medicaid, $118 billion (21%) of it goes to nursing homes or long-term care facilities. In most states, about 50% of newborn deliveries are paid by Medicaid.

Legislators know all of this. Yet, the stereotypes about people on Medicaid persist.

Ugh.
38% of Children on Medicaid (~30 million).
43% under the age of 18.
50% of newborns paid by Medicaid.

Looks to me a problem is excessive breeding!

The gov's proposed new guidelines in case anyone is interested.

https://www.medicaid.gov/federal-policy-guidance/downloads/smd18002.pdf

 

[rareboy]

 

[smokeshadow]

Well. . .this will certainly piss some people off

www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/t...t_discrimination_by_health_care_professionals

 

[gsdx]

"No One Should Be Forced to Choose Between Helping Sick People and Living by One’s Deepest Moral or Religious Convictions" Division's Chief Announces

Sorry, but that is diabolical. Evil and diabolical! They're not backing a fucking cake!!

So, Mr. Trump has thrown the US Constitution out the window and now he's just ripped up the Hippocratic Oath!!

Evil, thy name is Donald J. Trump!

 

[KaraBulut]

"No One Should Be Forced to Choose Between Helping Sick People and Living by One’s Deepest Moral or Religious Convictions" Division's Chief Announces

Sorry, but that is diabolical. Evil and diabolical! They're not backing a fucking cake!!

So, Mr. Trump has thrown the US Constitution out the window and now he's just ripped up the Hippocratic Oath!!

Evil, thy name is Donald J. Trump!

There's a couple of things here.

Once upon a time, there were a group of evangelicals who railed against a Presidental candidates who were divorced or against a President who cheated on his wife. Now, we're dealing with a group of "prosperity gospel" power-players who are willing to vote for a foul-mouthed billionaire who not only cheated on his three wives, he also bragged about sexually assaulting women. Those faux religious leaders are cut from the same cloth as Trump and they've supported him in exchange for legislation that they want.

They got their proxy Pence in the White House to get these pro-religious favors codified into a government that is not supposed to advocate for any particular religious. The political horse-trading that got Trump into the White House includes legislation that gives them the right to impose their religious beliefs on others. And, if they have their way, it will include legislation that allows them to both advocate for political parties and political candidates but retain their tax-exempt status.

The other thing that is going on is that they're interested in keeping the culture wars going because it's a major distraction to gay organizations and it siphons cash from liberal organizations that will fight against this kind of pandering legislation and executive orders.

Don't be fooled. The way to deal with this nonsense is to remind these holier-than-thou types that if they aren't willing to take care of patients who need their services, it's time for them to find another career. Patients pick their healthcare providers; healthcare providers don't pick their patients.

And get this Adminstration out of the White House as soon as possible.

 

[gsdx]

^ Thanks. I would truly like to hear Trump explain how this is making America great again. The only excuse I can imagine is that it puts 'undesirables' 6 feet under and out of their sight a lot faster.

 

[Kulindahr]

"No One Should Be Forced to Choose Between Helping Sick People and Living by One’s Deepest Moral or Religious Convictions" Division's Chief Announces

Sorry, but that is diabolical. Evil and diabolical! They're not backing a fucking cake!!

So, Mr. Trump has thrown the US Constitution out the window and now he's just ripped up the Hippocratic Oath!!

Evil, thy name is Donald J. Trump!

So, they're supporting religious freedom for die-hard Satanists?

That's the only way I can make sense of that, because the only supernatural entity I can think of which would refuse to help sick people because of who they are is the Devil.

 

[frankfrank]

Is the last hope that the AMA, the Pharmacists' organization, etc. may unite to EXPEL any of their members who do this shit?

 

[ballcaphair]

From the front lines it looks like this helps no one frightens the Mexicans and Natives, who fear being deported. This man is turning a noble gem into a shihole.

 

[gsdx]

So, they're supporting religious freedom for die-hard Satanists?

I said nothing about Satanists. I'm talking about so-called 'Christians' and one self-proclaimed 'saviour' who worships nothing but $$$ and has his followers thinking he can walk on water. To grant doctors, who SWORE AN OATH to preserve life the right to refuse to do that is evil. But then, Mr. Watch Me turn Water Into Wine swore an oath, too. I watched it and I heard him swear it and he has done everything except uphold that oath.

Where does it stop? This has nothing to do with religious freedom. This has everything to do with discrimination and allowing those so-called 'doctors' to kill people.

All the yap yap yap I've been listening to on this board alone about the despicable doctors performing abortions on religions grounds, and now, on religious grounds, they have the right not to treat people who need their help.

They want it both ways, and having it both ways is not only hypocritical, it is evil. Any doctor who swore an oath and refuses to help someone in need on religious grounds should have the M.D. ripped from their name forever.

 

[chrisrobin]

.
Paul Ryan - Champion of health care reform!



Hey, Wisconsin - don't forget to re-elect this guy.

 

[Kulindahr]

I said nothing about Satanists. I'm talking about so-called 'Christians' and one self-proclaimed 'saviour' who worships nothing but $$$ and has his followers thinking he can walk on water. To grant doctors, who SWORE AN OATH to preserve life the right to refuse to do that is evil. But then, Mr. Watch Me turn Water Into Wine swore an oath, too. I watched it and I heard him swear it and he has done everything except uphold that oath.

Trump did, by supporting the withholding of medical care due to personal beliefs/issues: the only supernatural entity who would think that a good thing would be die-hard hard-core Satanists.

Where does it stop? This has nothing to do with religious freedom. This has everything to do with discrimination and allowing those so-called 'doctors' to kill people.

All the yap yap yap I've been listening to on this board alone about the despicable doctors performing abortions on religions grounds, and now, on religious grounds, they have the right not to treat people who need their help.

They want it both ways, and having it both ways is not only hypocritical, it is evil. Any doctor who swore an oath and refuses to help someone in need on religious grounds should have the M.D. ripped from their name forever.

It will stop only once the billionaires have succeeded in making their control of government irreversible, and then the right-wing Christianist billionaires have achieved control of the others. Trump is clueless that he's supporting a movement toward a theocratic plutocracy.

 

[KaraBulut]

...It will stop only once the billionaires have succeeded in making their control of government irreversible, and then the right-wing Christianist billionaires have achieved control of the others. Trump is clueless that he's supporting a movement toward a theocratic plutocracy.

I'm actually surprised that you didn't make a Sadducees reference. Funny how human nature remains the same across the millennia.