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Healthcare going forward

So Trump is going to fuck over millions of people now?

Just to get what, exactly?

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/12/president-donald-trump-threatens-to-cut-obamacare-subsidies.html

He still is trying to be the big 'deal-maker', but this isn't one of his trashy development deals.

This is the lives of many of his own voters that he's hurting
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The Republican Party grass roots may well be the factor that kills Trump's "initiatives" before they can "progress."
 
He's bluffing because he thinks it will bring the Democrats to the negotiating table. Pelosi will eat his lunch.

The story of Mar-A-Lago gives a good example of how Trump operates. The Post family put the property on the market for in the 1980s. Trump offered the family $25 million for the property and all its furnishings- an offer the family rejected. Trump then put an option on a piece of property that would block Mar-A-Lago's view of the ocean. The family then sold him Mar-A-Lago for $7 million- $18 million less than his original bid.

This is classic Trump- outrageous threats, dirty-dealing- because he knows that most people won't put a fight. And he always starts with the most extreme offer because he thinks he can negotiate people to where he wants them to be.

He has no clue about how Washington works and he has little understanding that he's in the White House at the pleasure of the American voters. He's he's going to learn the painful lessons that every President seems to learn in their first year in office.
 
He's bluffing because he thinks it will bring the Democrats to the negotiating table. Pelosi will eat his lunch.

The story of Mar-A-Lago gives a good example of how Trump operates. The Post family put the property on the market for in the 1980s. Trump offered the family $25 million for the property and all its furnishings- an offer the family rejected. Trump then put an option on a piece of property that would block Mar-A-Lago's view of the ocean. The family then sold him Mar-A-Lago for $7 million- $18 million less than his original bid.

This is classic Trump- outrageous threats, dirty-dealing- because he knows that most people won't put a fight. And he always starts with the most extreme offer because he thinks he can negotiate people to where he wants them to be.

He has no clue about how Washington works and he has little understanding that he's in the White House at the pleasure of the American voters. He's he's going to learn the painful lessons that every President seems to learn in their first year in office.

Washington works? Many people would disagree.
 
Washington works? Many people would disagree.
Many people would be wrong.

Anyone who works in Washington will tell you that there's two Washingtons- the permanent one and the one we elect. One is quite competent and accomplishes the things that keep the lights on in America (and abroad). The other Washington is dependent upon us to make it competent and when it's not competent, we can only blame ourselves for electing it.
 
Many people would be wrong.

Anyone who works in Washington will tell you that there's two Washingtons- the permanent one and the one we elect. One is quite competent and accomplishes the things that keep the lights on in America (and abroad). The other Washington is dependent upon us to make it competent and when it's not competent, we can only blame ourselves for electing it.

I am not convinced that the paper pushers in Washington keep the lights on or much else that is useful.
 
If Trump is trying to completely destroy the United States and the American people, he's doing a bang-up job.

Seriously, isn't this bribery or blackmail? Is he allowed to make threats like this one?

Oh, but he didn't make a threat! What he did is a classic example of misdirection and doublespeak, claiming that he doesn't think the administration has the constitutional authority to authorize those payments, so he can say, "So sorry, but the law won't let me...."

Slimy, so slimy.
 
Many people would be wrong.

Anyone who works in Washington will tell you that there's two Washingtons- the permanent one and the one we elect. One is quite competent and accomplishes the things that keep the lights on in America (and abroad). The other Washington is dependent upon us to make it competent and when it's not competent, we can only blame ourselves for electing it.

I knew a guy who worked in D.C. and he would say there are three Washingtons, the permanent one being split between a lot of dedicated people and another batch who don't give a crap, they just want their paycheck.

Of course there are also people like Trump in the bureaucracy, too, in it for themselves, and in some agencies a lot are in it for the power (the ATF is a good example) they can wield.
 
I knew a guy who worked in D.C. and he would say there are three Washingtons, the permanent one being split between a lot of dedicated people and another batch who don't give a crap, they just want their paycheck.
I would say that is true of most State governments- there's a group of employees who get paid less than they would in a corporate job and they're happy that governments don't like to pay overtime, so they work a 40 hour week and have an actual work-life balance. There's also a group of people who really have a commitment to public service, so it's a mixed bag.

There's not as many of those mediocre employees who don't give a crap in the federal government because it's difficult to get a Civil Service job if you're not qualified. The federal government also gives preference to those who served in the military, so you get some people who have a prior commitment to public service.

Everyone complains about the DMV or the potholes in their yard or who long it takes to get a trial date to fight a traffic ticket. But when I hear terms like "pencil pusher" that's always a clue that the person has never spent much time outside the US.

There's a lot of NGOs who need people to do volunteer work in other countries. It's a great experience and I'd encourage everyone to do it at least once in their life. When you get your assignment, you'll be given a list of immunizations that you'll need to get because Americans tend to let their boosters lapse for things like tetanus, diphtheria, pertussis, et al. Most Americans don't get immunizations for things like yellow fever or hepatitis A unless they've been in the military. The yellow fever shot made me feel crappy for a few days afterward.

They'll also recommend you get prescriptions to bring with you for things like dysentery and malaria.... because the pencil pushers in those countries don't provide clean drinking water or do little things like spray for mosquitoes. Sadly, there's not a preventative for dengue fever or zika or the other viral illnesses, so you'll need to bring a mosquito net to put over your bed at night.

Iodine also helps in case you need to treat your drinking water. Be careful not to accidentally drink the water in the shower because it's usually not treated water unless the NGO provides clean water for the workers to shower... if you're lucky enough to get a shower at all, that is.

Oh- bring some cash and make copies of your passport to carry with you because the pencil pushers in those countries require bribes (even the police!) and if you don't pay them, they do mean things like confiscate your passport.
 
If we are dissecting Washington layers, from aside the entrenched and the newbies, let's consider the lobbyists who have every intention to inflate our healthcare costs. For God's sake, we live in a country where we cannot afford care, meds, or insurance. I doubt there is a single lobbyist for our reality. Sincere rant apology on my part.
 
President Trump is threatening to cut the subsidies that are the heart of the ACA with the mistaken idea that this would bring Democrats running to the table. Mr. President, you need to understand if you deliberately drain the oil out of your car not only is Ford not going to come running to replace it with a better car but you completely lose any right to claim it was Ford's fault when it fails no matter how bad a car it is.
 
^ That's what a bully does. He's used to getting what he wants and he's not afraid of threatening people to get it. He might have got away with bullying other businesses throughout the years, but I don't see him getting away with bullying the entire country and the rest of the world. As often happens with bullies, people push back and the bully goes running to his mommy.
 
President Trump is threatening to cut the subsidies that are the heart of the ACA with the mistaken idea that this would bring Democrats running to the table. Mr. President, you need to understand if you deliberately drain the oil out of your car not only is Ford not going to come running to replace it with a better car but you completely lose any right to claim it was Ford's fault when it fails no matter how bad a car it is.

Nice analogy.
 
If we are dissecting Washington layers, from aside the entrenched and the newbies, let's consider the lobbyists who have every intention to inflate our healthcare costs. For God's sake, we live in a country where we cannot afford care, meds, or insurance. I doubt there is a single lobbyist for our reality. Sincere rant apology on my part.

Lobbyists from corporations should be illegal. If Congress wants their input, they should shut up until it's asked for.
 
Lobbyists from corporations should be illegal. If Congress wants their input, they should shut up until it's asked for.

I do not know for sure if it is true, but media reports say that nearly half of retired congressmen become lobbyists. I'm guessing that these people will not be asked for input. They know the whole setup and don't need to be invited because they're already on the inside. It really pisses me off. Is there no brightness in our future, or those behind us? I fear not. It fuc*ing glooms me deep into my bones. I run to burn this shit off and now I cannot run enough.
 
I do not know for sure if it is true, but media reports say that nearly half of retired congressmen become lobbyists.

That wouldn't surprise me. As congressmen, they spend a good amount of their time lobbying for bills and such to get passed or thrown out. Corporations (especially drug and insurance companies) would love to have them on their side.
 
That wouldn't surprise me. As congressmen, they spend a good amount of their time lobbying for bills and such to get passed or thrown out. Corporations (especially drug and insurance companies) would love to have them on their side.

I believe that they are side by side because of drug, meds, insurance, and medical cost. A true example of the "art of the deal."
 
I wonder if as Americans have been doing their taxes over the last couple of months many have been getting reminded of what the ACA has done for them, since filing a federal return requires certifying you have insurance.
 
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