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Healthcare going forward

Benvolio said:
Wow! I am amazed at you psychic ability. No one has read it but you know all about it. LOL,LOL. Like most legislation, it requires compromise so at this point there is no specific bill. Wait and see.
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The Republicans should and perhaps will allow Obamacare to collapse before doing anything. If they rescue it the dems will carp about it for the next 100 years and no replacement can be free from flaws.
 
opinterph said:
Yeah, they are working hard to make that happen.

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It does not say they are working hard, just not creating certainty. I do not know what tax cut for the wealthy they are talking about.
The GOP plan does not seem to have a tax cut as such. I think so far the subsidies have been paid with borrowed money and if we stop the subsidies, the deficit will be smaller or perhaps non existent. The sanctions part of the individual mandate is a tax, the USSC says but it does not hit the rich, but only people who choose not to buy the insurance.
 
Well they have unveiled it and it is about as savage as expected.

And the GOP literally had people in wheelchairs dragged out of their offices.
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With literally blood on the floors.

What a dark, dark day for America. Shameful.
 
Any Democrat running against a Republican (who votes for this) in the next elections should use videos of people being torn from their wheel chairs in campaign ads.

Suggestion: a caption saying "This is what [STRIKE]democracy[/STRIKE] the GOP looks like".
 
So, if democrats block the passage of a GOP plan, who gets the blame for the collapse of Obamacare?
 
Benvolio said:
So, if democrats block the passage of a GOP plan, who gets the blame for the collapse of Obamacare?
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Since the Democrats cannot block the passage of the GOP plan, the Republicans would. AT this point with the Administration's sabotaging of the current system and the fact that the Republicans need no Democrat votes to pass a law under reconciliation, the Republicans currently own Health Care lock, stock, and barrel. If they had simply done nothing and let it fail, then you could blame the Democrats but Trump didn't do that.
 
Stardreamer said:
Since the Democrats cannot block the passage of the GOP plan, the Republicans would. AT this point with the Administration's sabotaging of the current system and the fact that the Republicans need no Democrat votes to pass a law under reconciliation, the Republicans currently own Health Care lock, stock, and barrel. If they had simply done nothing and let it fail, then you could blame the Democrats but Trump didn't do that.
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In fact however a few Republicans and all the democrats will block the GOP bill and Obamacare will collapse for want of a rescue.
 
http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/first_take_what_s_in_the_senate_health_care_bill_and_how_it_will_hurt_you_and_your_family

As Senator Bob Casey points out, one of the most important parts of ObamaCare, requiring coverage for "essential health benefits," is gone. Those include (via Wikipedia):

Ambulatory patient services. [outpatient care]
Emergency services.
Hospitalization. [inpatient care]
Maternity and newborn care
Mental health and substance use disorder services, including behavioral health treatment.
Prescription drugs.
Rehabilitative and habilitative services and devices.
Laboratory services
Preventive and wellness services and chronic disease management;
Pediatric services, including oral and vision care.
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So, pray tell me, WHAT in the fuck will they cover? I don't see anything at all that is covered. (What about surgery? That might be all.)

No, Americans will simply be paying trillions of dollars of tribute to insurance companies strictly to guarantee they continue to exist, without ever paying for anything.
 
frankfrank said:
http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/first_take_what_s_in_the_senate_health_care_bill_and_how_it_will_hurt_you_and_your_family


So, pray tell me, WHAT in the fuck will they cover? I don't see anything at all that is covered. (What about surgery? That might be all.)

No, Americans will simply be paying trillions of dollars of tribute to insurance companies strictly to guarantee they continue to exist, without ever paying for anything.
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Insurance policies have covered most of these things without Federal law requiring them, and no doubt will in the future. They probably will not include mental health, a bottomless pit with largely subjective diagnosis and termination. Preventative and wellness probably will not be covered. It is not insurance in the sense that it not a risk but is inevitable for everyone. To provide that coverage, the company becomes a middlemen, passing the cost on to the policyholder. It is better for the individual to pay for preventive directly.
 
Stardreamer said:
Since the Democrats cannot block the passage of the GOP plan, the Republicans would. AT this point with the Administration's sabotaging of the current system and the fact that the Republicans need no Democrat votes to pass a law under reconciliation, the Republicans currently own Health Care lock, stock, and barrel. If they had simply done nothing and let it fail, then you could blame the Democrats but Trump didn't do that.
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It's hard to know what McConnell's gambit is. McConnell and Pelosi are the best vote-counters in Congress. You'll never see them bring anything to a vote when they don't already know the vote counts.

Either McConnell thinks he can get to 50 votes (which brings in Pence as a tie-braker) or he's intentionally letting the AHCA die so that they can claim that the Democrats sabotaged the "repeal and replace" attempt.
 
Re: "Obamacare will collapse"

For some reason, the American public seems to believe that "Obamacare" is only the individual market. It's not. The ACA is an overhaul of the US healthcare system. The majority of the bill is geared toward changing from a fee-for-service model to an outcome-based model.

There are about 12 million Americans enrolled in private "Obamacare" policies. The government underwrites these policies (81% in the ACA market get subsidies). Eight out of ten people enrolled in the individual market, pay less than $100 per month for their insurance because of these subsidies. This private ACA market is a government subsidy that goes to the private insurance payers.

The majority (156 million people - over 50%) of Americans who have private insurance get their insurance through their employer.

This whole thing is about 14 million people who were added the Medicaid rolls in the 31 states that opted-in to the Medicaid expansion. Those are the people who will lose their insurance.

The claim that Obamacare is "in a death spiral" is a Republican talking point and is purely fiction.

Here's the fact-check:
"Death spiral" is a health industry term built around three components:
  • Shrinking enrollment;
  • Healthy people leaving the system;
  • Rising premiums.
The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, as part of its recent analysis of the GOP legislation, described the Affordable Care Act as stable.

Matthew Fiedler, a fellow with the Center for Health Policy at the Brookings Institution, similarly concluded in a recent analysis that the Affordable Care Act is not in a death spiral.
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The thing that would collapse the individual market would be if the government stopped paying the subsidies.

The Medicaid expansion requires a repeal. This is what the AHCA sets out to do... in spite of loud protests from governors in the 31 states that accepted the Medicaid expansion.

Incidentally, last week the Nevada legislature voted to extend Medicaid to ALL citizens of the state of Nevada. Citizens who did not meet the federal poverty guidelines required by Medicaid could "buy in" to Medicaid just like a private insurance policy. Unfortunately, the Republican governor of Nevada vetoed the bill. :(
 
Where is the tax cut for the wealthy which the democrats are trumpeting?
 
Benvolio said:
Where is the tax cut for the wealthy which the democrats are trumpeting?
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You need to do some independent research. It's not that hard to figure out.
 
KaraBulut said:
Re: "Obamacare will collapse"

For some reason, the American public seems to believe that "Obamacare" is only the individual market. It's not. The ACA is an overhaul of the US healthcare system. The majority of the bill is geared toward changing from a fee-for-service model to an outcome-based model.

There are about 12 million Americans enrolled in private "Obamacare" policies. The government underwrites these policies (81% in the ACA market get subsidies). Eight out of ten people enrolled in the individual market, pay less than $100 per month for their insurance because of these subsidies. This private ACA market is a government subsidy that goes to the private insurance payers.

The majority (156 million people - over 50%) of Americans who have private insurance get their insurance through their employer.

This whole thing is about 14 million people who were added the Medicaid rolls in the 31 states that opted-in to the Medicaid expansion. Those are the people who will lose their insurance.

The claim that Obamacare is "in a death spiral" is a Republican talking point and is purely fiction.

Here's the fact-check:


The thing that would collapse the individual market would be if the government stopped paying the subsidies.

The Medicaid expansion requires a repeal. This is what the AHCA sets out to do... in spite of loud protests from governors in the 31 states that accepted the Medicaid expansion.

Incidentally, last week the Nevada legislature voted to extend Medicaid to ALL citizens of the state of Nevada. Citizens who did not meet the federal poverty guidelines required by Medicaid could "buy in" to Medicaid just like a private insurance policy. Unfortunately, the Republican governor of Nevada vetoed the bill. :(
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The subsidies will have to raised by Congress each year premiums are raised. The penalty/tax will have to raised frequently to force healthy people to sacrifice for others. So it is in a death spiral if Republicans do not rescue it.
 
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