Only socialism can do that. Only a system giving to everyone without payment will do that. Will the welfare class pay anything for health insurance? They expect it for free. Will criminals buy health insurance? Will illegals buy insurance? Eventually the decent people will have to work to give it to the other half, but we can resist it as long as possible.
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Only socialism can do that. Only a system giving to everyone without payment will do that. Will the welfare class pay anything for health insurance? They expect it for free. Will criminals buy health insurance? Will illegals buy insurance? Eventually the decent people will have to work to give it to the other half, but we can resist it as long as possible.
Canadians pay for our universal healthcare. It is not given to us. But every Canadian has healthcare coverage. Every. Single. Canadian.
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Most of the civilized world has some form of universal healthcare... just not the United States.
Areas in green have universal healthcare.
And no, universal healthcare is not "socialism". That's another attempt to bait.
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oh my dear sweet jeezuz.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1275/text
Obamacare Repeal has just been named
'World's Greatest Healthcare Plan of 2017’
Do Americans even have a clue how ridiculous this makes their government look?
So TrumpCo. and Republicans apparently do believe that everything is about style and not substance.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1275/text
Obamacare Repeal has just been named
'World's Greatest Healthcare Plan of 2017’
Do Americans even have a clue how ridiculous this makes their government look?
So TrumpCo. and Republicans apparently do believe that everything is about style and not substance.
Up here, each province and territory has its own healthcare system, but, no matter where we go in Canada, we are covered. Last year. Not long ago, I spent a month in hospital with a broken hip, wrist, and shoulder. It cost me $45 for the ambulance ride. That covered the call, the cardiogram, and all of the equipment used during the ride. It's a flat fee charged for every ambulance call. The fire department was there, too, but I paid nothing for that.
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You really are clueless about how it works, aren't you? It is where we put our taxes....but instead of having layers and layers of corporate paper-pushers in the insurance industry adding billions and billions of no value added costs to health care, we have a streamlined single payer system...which is critical for a small population in a huge country.
And in Ontario, it is photo ID and tightly watched...because frankly, we couldn't afford to treat all the poor people from the US who have no access to health care at all.
We feel really sorry today for your 'World's Greatest Healthcare Plan'.
A friend in Europe just emailed me that he can't stop laughing.
oh my dear sweet jeezuz.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1275/text
Obamacare Repeal has just been named
'World's Greatest Healthcare Plan of 2017’
Do Americans even have a clue how ridiculous this makes their government look?
So TrumpCo. and Republicans apparently do believe that everything is about style and not substance.
Does everybody in the US have health care coverage? No? Then it isn't.
The US already has half the about half the people recieving various forms of welfare , and more coming, and fewer than half the voters paying income taxes. So yes, free health care is socialism for at least the half who will get it without payng taxes.
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Ontario's system is probably the best of the provinces that I've dealt with. Quebec's system is a little overwhelmed but still delivers quality healthcare for a much more affordable rate than most of the US.
"...half the about half..recieving...welfare...".
Bless your heart.
That's another conservative trope that is a half-truth. The actual statistic is 49% of households receive some form of public assistance (which is not the same thing as "welfare"). That would mean that if a child is in the school lunch program or grandma is on SSDI/Medicare, the entire household would be considered to be "receiving public assistance". "49% of all households" is not the same as "49% of all people".
This is why reading original source material and original research is so important. If you read statistics and research on from the original source, you'll get your facts correct.
The workings of the Canadian system are not the issue. However it started, the democrats would always work to shift the entire burden to fewer and fewer taxpayers, while allowing the taxpayers fewer and fewer benefits.
45% of US households pay no federal income tax. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/45-of-americans-pay-no-federal-income-tax-2016-02-24
I doubt if that includes school lunch, since the number would probably be higher. And notice the that is a chart of money not people. It does not tell us what percentage of people or even households receive benefits. Nor does it discredit the statement that half the people receive benefits. https://www.forbes.com/sites/merril...now-receive-government-benefits/#5f4557a03e6cOntario's system is probably the best of the provinces that I've dealt with. Quebec's system is a little overwhelmed but still delivers quality healthcare for a much more affordable rate than most of the US.
"...half the about half..recieving...welfare...".
Bless your heart.
That's another conservative trope that is a half-truth. The actual statistic is 49% of households receive some form of public assistance (which is not the same thing as "welfare"). That would mean that if a child is in the school lunch program or grandma is on SSDI/Medicare, the entire household would be considered to be "receiving public assistance". "49% of all households" is not the same as "49% of all people".
This is why reading original source material and original research is so important. If you read statistics and research on from the original source, you'll get your facts correct.
60% of households receive more in benefits than they pay in taxes. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-11-18/60-households-get-more-benefits-they-pay-taxes
So if you wonder why we resist socialized medicine it is because we know a small percent of the people will pay for it all and then have to get at the back of the line for health care.
So if you wonder why we resist socialized medicine it is because we know a small percent of the people will pay for it all and then have to get at the back of the line for health care.
My God...so many ignorant statements.
1. Criminals don't buy health insurance now -- you and I pay for them. I was just in a meeting with eight large counties in the United States that are worried about the demise of ACA. Under ACA, those people are covered by the larger pools established in the state. With ACA being eliminated, those inmates now become the ward of the individual county (or city). I suppose we could just let them die or have their appendix rupture and leak until they have served their time but that is likely to get messy.
2. A large number of citizens do not pay federal income taxes because they are retired; because they don't make enough money to pay; or because they are children. I suppose we could require retirees to all go back to work and those damn children should be in sweat shops rather than school; at least they could pay taxes.
3. I guess I'm more worried about the number of corporations who pay NOTHING despite earning billions. Or how about your lovely President that has not paid in years even though he "claims" to have earned billions (of course we will never know since he hasn't released his taxes -- unlike his predecessors).
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Let me show you that statistic in another view:
The states that are receiving the largest payments when compared to the taxpayer contribution toward federal taxes are the states that voted for Trump. For example, every $1 that South Carolina sends to the Federal Government is matched by $7.87 in Federal funds sent to South Carolina. Source
Why? Because these states have a larger number of the three categories of people who need the social safety net: the elderly (through Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security), children whose family is below the federal poverty level (through the Children's Health Insurance Program [CHIP] and through programs like Women, Infants and Children [WIC]) and the working poor (many of whom are in the industries worse hit by the recession and globalization).
Universal Healthcare has little to do with these programs, however. Universal Healthcare means that everyone has coverage- particularly people who work but whose employers do not offer health insurance.
Pete Stark, a former US House member, used to give speeches at healthcare conferences. One of things that he was famous for saying was, "The only group of people who get Constitutionally guaranteed healthcare in the US are the incarcerated."thewiz said:
Notably, he also was famous for telling physicians to stop whining since most of them had obtained their MD from a federally-funded medical school while working at a federally funded hospital financed via federally-funded student loans. As the beneficiaries of public largess, the least that they could do was pay it forward through public service to those who were less fortunate.
^Quoted for truth.thewiz said:
Let me show you that statistic in another view:
The states that are receiving the largest payments when compared to the taxpayer contribution toward federal taxes are the states that voted for Trump. For example, every $1 that South Carolina sends to the Federal Government is matched by $7.87 in Federal funds sent to South Carolina. Source
Why? Because these states have a larger number of the three categories of people who need the social safety net: the elderly (through Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security), children whose family is below the federal poverty level (through the Children's Health Insurance Program [CHIP] and through programs like Women, Infants and Children [WIC]) and the working poor (many of whom are in the industries worse hit by the recession and globalization).
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Universal Healthcare has little to do with these programs, however. Universal Healthcare means that everyone has coverage- particularly people who work but whose employers do not offer health insurance.
Pete Stark, a former US House member, used to give speeches at healthcare conferences. One of things that he was famous for saying was, "The only group of people who get Constitutionally guaranteed healthcare in the US are the incarcerated."
Notably, he also was famous for telling physicians to stop whining since most of them had obtained their MD from a federally-funded medical school while working at a federally funded hospital financed via federally-funded student loans. As the beneficiaries of public largess, the least that they could do was pay it forward through public service to those who were less fortunate.
^Quoted for truth.
The states receiving the most benefit include some red states, but they are states with large democrat minorities; South Carolina has a large Black population voting democrat, while the Dakotas have Native Americans. Some are working poor, but many do not work.
Some of the Reddest states are near the bottom.
Many with low income do not work, while other are in the underground market, working for cash and reporting no income, others are criminals. Should taxpayers really have to give insurance to everyone?
It is NOT welfare up here. Nor is it FREE. We tell you again that it is paid for by everyone, even people on welfare. And forget about people who don't use it shouldn't have to pay. If and when they need it, it's there.
How many millions of Americans don't have health coverage under Trump's plan?
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According to Brookings Institute -- 15 million would lose coverage under the proposed plan.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/matthe...-the-gops-obamacare-replacement/#7eab601b5f16
^ And that's on top of those who didn't already have it under Obamacare?
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Several major hospital advocacy groups have come out in opposition to the American Health Care Act (AHCA aka the "Republican plan"):
The American Medical Association, which is the major physician lobbying group in the US, has also come out in opposition:
The American Medical Association, which is the major physician lobbying group in the US, has also come out in opposition:
