Healthcare going forward

[gsdx]

^ Why all the secrecy? What is it that they don't want Americans to know? Why are they building a wall around Washington and allowing only Trump's Tweets to get out?

The answer? We can guess, and we would probably be right. They do it because they know the unwealthy Americans are going to be royally screwed and the wealthy will be doing cartwheels.

It's a simple case of 'common sense'.

 

[opinterph]

I wonder if any of them realize that there are people starting to look at them as being possible subjects for a "Second Amendment remedy". I'm seeing hints of that on a couple of blogs where some former Trump supporters are VERY angry because they didn't vote for him to have the GOP sell them out to the wealthy.

You should probably report those blogs to the FBI.

 

[Benvolio]

I wonder if any of them realize that there are people starting to look at them as being possible subjects for a "Second Amendment remedy". I'm seeing hints of that on a couple of blogs where some former Trump supporters are VERY angry because they didn't vote for him to have the GOP sell them out to the wealthy.

That is your obsession, not theirs. Republicans are pro business and are not anti wealth. GOP voters are frustrated that nothing is being done about Obamacare, illegal immigration, refugees and taxes, but they are not fuming against the wealthy.

 

[gsdx]

Republicans are pro business and are not anti wealth.

You do realise, don't you, that "not anti wealth" means that they are pro wealth? They are NOT for the little guy.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Also they are not pro-business, they are pro corporate interests to keep that cash flowing in.

 

[Benvolio]

Also they are not pro-business, they are pro corporate interests to keep that cash flowing in.

What you never understand is that the grassroots of the GOP are probusiness and not anti wealth. They have never accepted your Marxist class warfare.

 

[Kulindahr]

What you never understand is that the grassroots of the GOP are probusiness and not anti wealth. They have never accepted your Marxist class warfare.

What you don't get is that being against the concentration of wealth in a few hands and opposing massive corporate power IS pro-business -- and a fair chunk of the GOP base understand that. One reason a lot of them voted for Trump is that he spoke against those very things -- and one reason his disapproval rating is so huge is that people who believed he was going to drain that swamp instead see him just making it more toxic.

 

[Kulindahr]

That is your obsession, not theirs. Republicans are pro business and are not anti wealth. GOP voters are frustrated that nothing is being done about Obamacare, illegal immigration, refugees and taxes, but they are not fuming against the wealthy.

I don't write those blogs, I just read and follow the discussions. And there are more than a few people saying they think their vote for Trump was wasted because he filled his cabinet with the same kind of corrupt people Clinton would have -- bankers and corporate players.

And the Republicans I know here are "fuming against the wealthy" because they don't believe that it's right for our elected representatives to be bought by a few people who thereafter get their wishes addressed while the common person is ignored. In fact EVERY Republican I know agrees that the 0.1% tax on financial transactions is a fantastic idea because they think that having a huge national debt is stupid (and definitely not conservative).

 

[Kulindahr]

You should probably report those blogs to the FBI.

They're watched anyway, and the FBI isn't really interested in general grumbling and suggestions of a "Second Amendment remedy". There's too much of that all the time anyway, so unless names are specified and actual threats made, they put manpower elsewhere.

 

[Benvolio]

I don't write those blogs, I just read and follow the discussions. And there are more than a few people saying they think their vote for Trump was wasted because he filled his cabinet with the same kind of corrupt people Clinton would have -- bankers and corporate players.

And the Republicans I know here are "fuming against the wealthy" because they don't believe that it's right for our elected representatives to be bought by a few people who thereafter get their wishes addressed while the common person is ignored. In fact EVERY Republican I know agrees that the 0.1% tax on financial transactions is a fantastic idea because they think that having a huge national debt is stupid (and definitely not conservative).

You merely confirm that there are no actual Republicans in Oregon. And I have always rejected your silly arguments allegedly based on the people you know and meet.

 

[Kulindahr]

You merely confirm that there are no actual Republicans in Oregon. And I have always rejected your silly arguments allegedly based on the people you know and meet.

By your definition there are probably less than thirty million "actual Republicans".

Your arrogance is astounding. It's not your business to decree for others whether or not they're "actual" Republicans.

 

[Kulindahr]

I wonder if the Senate GOP realizes that not a single state, 'red' or 'blue', supports any of the changes they want to make to the ACA?

But of course what the people want doesn't matter to them -- even when less that a third of Americans think the ACHA is a good idea.

 

[Benvolio]

By your definition there are probably less than thirty million "actual Republicans".

Your arrogance is astounding. It's not your business to decree for others whether or not they're "actual" Republicans.

I mean actual as opposed to figments of your imagination.

 

[Benvolio]

I wonder if the Senate GOP realizes that not a single state, 'red' or 'blue', supports any of the changes they want to make to the ACA?

But of course what the people want doesn't matter to them -- even when less that a third of Americans think the ACHA is a good idea.

Republican wanted their people in Congress to repeal Obamacare, and most GOP condidates ran on the promise to repeal.

 

[Kulindahr]

I wonder if the Senate GOP realizes that not a single state, 'red' or 'blue', supports any of the changes they want to make to the ACA?

But of course what the people want doesn't matter to them -- even when less that a third of Americans think the ACHA is a good idea.

I forgot to put in this link: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/14/...t&contentID=WhatsNext&src=recg&pgtype=article

 

[Kulindahr]

Republican wanted their people in Congress to repeal Obamacare, and most GOP condidates ran on the promise to repeal.

It's not the repeal that the issue, it's the proposed replacement. There's no state in which a majority support what's been seen of GOP proposals -- none.

And they're expecting what Trump talked about on campaign: a system that is BETTER than the ACA, that covers everyone and well.

 

[Benvolio]

It's not the repeal that the issue, it's the proposed replacement. There's no state in which a majority support what's been seen of GOP proposals -- none.

And they're expecting what Trump talked about on campaign: a system that is BETTER than the ACA, that covers everyone and well.

Republicans voted for repeal not replacement. Trump created an impossibility by promissing insurance to cover preexisting illness; only socialism can do that.

 

[Kulindahr]

Republicans voted for repeal not replacement. Trump created an impossibility by promissing insurance to cover preexisting illness; only socialism can do that.

So the whole AHCA thing was just a game?

 

[KaraBulut]

Has anyone ever seen a poll that says that voters in 2016 voted for Republicans specifically because they promised to repeal the ACA?

 

[frankfrank]

So, if this gets repealed, where is there any semblance of a Democratic plan to replace it with anything? The Republican plan is to replace it with something far worse than what even existed in 2010 (Obamacare took a couple years to actually START). The Democrats got nothin'.

Also no Democratic plan to tweak ACA, even in the slightest, if it doesn't get repealed.

The Democratic Party is giving people NO REASON to vote for them. Other things like voting rights should be screaming out loud in their platform. They do give a little lip service to climate change, LGBT issues, etc. but it's pretty damn tepid.