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Help me to learn my place.

The two responses already posted are all you need. Leave.

P.S. I'm very open to group situations and alternative arrangements, and still, I say leave.
 
Master suppose to make you happy.
If you are not happy, you should be allow to say so but i think you are afraid ....


Therefore, leave now.
 
about contract thing.

Did your family, friends or anybody outside got a copy of your contract ? so they know where you are.
 
Do you truly realize what you are asking us to do? You are asking us to give you advice on how to make it so that you are ok with people hurting you to the extreme? You have issues that are way too big for us to deal with. No sane person is going to give you advice on how to do that.

Call the GLBT National Hotline and see if you can get some real help:

1-888-843-4564

CALL THE NUMBER NOW and keep us posted as to what you are planning on doing.

(*8*)

http://www.glnh.org/index2.html
 
In addition to the above advice I'm sure you will find your "contract" has no legal validity. That means that you can leave anytime and the sooner the better.
 
I'll throw in another "get out there asap".
 
Let's not forget...

Being a slave does not mean being a prisoner.

Being a master doesn't mean being an abuser.

The Slave/Master relationship is about a mutually beneficial relationship where both get something positive out of it. If what you're saying is true, that's not at ALL what's going on here and you need to leave.

Now.

Just get up, leave the room, walk out of the house and don't come back.. Leave your stuff.. go home and start again. Maybe get some counseling to understand what it is that you need out of a relationship.
 
Concur with all of the advice above. Don't confuse 'leaving' with 'quitting'. What you need right now is some space and time to work through your emotions and reactions to your current situation. If your Master/Dom has any sense/class at all, he should totally understand and support you in this - if not, then it's even more important that you leave - because otherwise you could be in real danger if this guy can't be trusted.

Also, I agree you need to talk (and 'talk' in person - not cyber) this out with someone who's not directly involved with your current situation - there are lots of resources out there to make use of - people who won't 'judge' you but who will help you get a better grip on your current situation.

Finally, given your age/stage, you should only be engaging in short-term 'experiments' (i.e. a few days at most) in the dom/sub lifestyle rather than any long-term commitments. Avoid such long-term arrangements until you better understand both what you are looking for as well as what you're willing to offer.

Good luck!!!

BUT, ABOVE ALL


Leave NOW!!
 
These guys are right.

Hi ivorry. Contrary to popular belief you are NEVER too young to start learning the lifestyle. But learning and engaging in it are two very different things.

The reason why there aren't so many young slaves and why the community isn't as big as it used to be is because of AIDS. Aids killed so many people who were involved in the community and new guard sort of came around for some reason.

Which says that a slave is a bitch and property to a master, that a slave has to be shave completely, the slave cannot contact anyone, and just stupid and fantasy rules.

The whole thing about the Master/slave lifestyle as well as the leather lifestyle (No not the whole look at me I look so cute in my leather thing) is Respect, Honor, Trust, and Love.

There is a difference between BDSM and Leather and Master/slave lifestyles though.

Master/slave is a relationship. Somewhat like a dom sub relationship. Leather can be as well. BDSM. Is sex. It's not a relationship. It's a scene. There can be scenes in the lifestyle but scenes do not make up the lifestyle.

And as for his friends doing kinky things to you. You need to get out of there. Just because a Sir puts a collar around your neck. Whether it be training, a chain, a hello kitty collar or whatever it does not make you his. And just because you sign a contract doesn't mean you can't leave.

Yes it's true that I am a slave and I belong to a Sir and I have signed a contract. It's not so much about the validity of the contract. It's about the symbolism of it. You should only sign the contract when you are ready. And the way it's SUPPOSED to work is the master or dom is supposed to make the contract for you and YOU get to look over it and question anything that is in there, make some changes, or suggest something that you want removed or added. And then once it's finalized than you sign it.

Like some other people have stated it is unclear what you want.

There are resources to learn about the lifestyle. There might even be a social group in your area.

But this is not the way. I have had bad experiences with Sir's at well. And Sir's who I considered to be my master.

Some of them said, "Oh for us stop means stop". "NO put the blindfold on it will be fun"

I've talked to a so called Sir before who tells me he wants to interview me as his potential slave but how I can't talk to the ones who are helping me learn about the lifestyle, I can't talk to my parents, I have to cut off all communication, and how I have to make a decision NOW!

Those are red flags if there ever were any.

A dom should not make you feel trapped. A dom should not cut off your connections to the outside world. There is a very sadistic reason why a dom would want you to do that. A dom should not push you around and make you do everything they say. Even as a slave you still have a voice and you still have right.

For example. With my Sir in our contract it's stated that although Sir's word is final I can still express any concerns I have. A good Sir will not want to do anything that potentially causes his slave harm. Be that mentally or physically. Safewords are only good if they are respected as well.

You need to be EXTREMLY careful with doms who want a feminine boy. I have been called feminine before but that's not who I am. The reason I say this is because some of those doms are very warped. There are some really dangerous people out there and it's not smart to give yourself away after you just turned 18, without looking into the person at all, or the lifestyle.

When you are considering a dom you also want to ASK FOR REFERENCES. If he refuses to give you some than that is a warning sign. Doms who respect the lifestyle and understand it will give you references and allow you to contact those people.

I am wondering about how you moved in with this man and your parents not knowing about it. But I don't think I should dwelve into that.

The point is this isn't the lifestyle. I don't know what you are looking for. But this is fantasy. This type of dom has the mindset of keeping a bitch sub slave and locking them in a cage, letting their friends rape him, changing his appearance, and doing whatever they want with him and not caring what the sub bitch boi thinks.

This is not what old guard or the lifestyle is about and a slave is not a bitch. A slave is actually a very strong person. But unfortunately there are some bastards out there who know how to break a person and how to completely dehumanize them and take any potential or dreams they ever had and just completely crush them.

Do not let this man do it to you.

Even though you need to get out you do need to be careful.

You said he leaves you alone sometimes. You should call that help line number and talk to someone. You need to take into careful consideration about what advice they tell you though. I say this because there are doms out there who will not let you leave and keep you trapped or worse. But it seems like right now you do have a window of opportunity. Will you still have what communication you have TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT!

And then base your decision about whether to leave or not or how to leave on everything you have heard. Maybe this is what you want. There are some guys out here who would love to do this. Regardless of what you want. This is not the lifestyle and what leather and Master/slave is about. Just know that. Oh and that guy isn't a master.

You can put on a pair of checker pants and a white coat and call yourself a chef. You can put on white pants and a jacket and a stethoscope and call yourself a doctor. It doesn't make it true though.

Good luck. And feel free to PM me if you want to talk more.

I also know a woman who is a counselor for people curious about the lifestyle or who are in the lifestyle and have questions about it. She actually spoke at a Masters and Slaves meeting a while back.

But whatever you do find the resources, numbers, or places that you can that can help you. Good luck :)
 
Without a doubt the most disturbing post I've ever read on the world wide web.

I'm not going to invest in you at all. If you don't respect yourself enough to get out today, right now, then you deserve everything you get.

Don't post another word on this forum until you are OUT OF THAT HOUSE.

Until then, you don't deserve our input.
 
Without a doubt the most disturbing post I've ever read on the world wide web.

I'm not going to invest in you at all. If you don't respect yourself enough to get out today, right now, then you deserve everything you get.

Don't post another word on this forum until you are OUT OF THAT HOUSE.

Until then, you don't deserve our input.

You aren't helping

He just turned 18 and he doesn't know a whole lot of things yet.

How is someone supposed to know what they should and shouldn't do or what is and isn't right if no one bothers to teach him?

No one cares if you aren't investing anyways. Because there are plenty of others who will.

Maybe you don't remember what it's like being that age. Realizing that you are now an adult, that you have to make more difficult choices, and trying to find what makes you happy.

It's very confusing. And with everything out there it can be hard to decipher reality from fantasy sometimes. It doesn't help to go, "Oh you totally need help. Go see a psychiatrist? You aren't worth my time"

All it does is makes the person feel bad about themselves and like something is wrong with them. And that's not going to make a person get help regardless if they need it.

And he does need to be on here and try to get some help. Because this so called Sir Doofus might be dangerous and who knows how long he will be able to communicate on a computer.

NO ONE deserves what a psychopath or sick person does. No one.

He does deserve input and advice because he isn't sure what he needs to do and he needs a little push and encouragement to make the right choice.

While everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Please don't post a negative statement like that which could make things worse.
 
gdude30,

When I first read JNew York's post, my initial reaction was much the same as your own. What stopped me from replying was I found, upon consideration, there was a certain merit in what JNY had to say...

I agree with you that ivoryy is young, confused and lacks knowledge - but the reality is that there's nothing you, or I or anyone else who's posted to this thread can really do to help ivoryy until he chooses to do something for himself - preferably by getting the hell out of his current situation. Part of JNew York's post was pointing this out so bluntly that it cannot possibly mistaken...

As for the rest, I can't speak for JNew York but to me, the most troubling part about ivoryy's post (with the possible exception that he thought the rest of us would take this opportunity to hit on him :( ) came near the end when ivoryy confessed that he's already posted about his situation and sought advice elsewhere... I can't help but wonder if JNY's harshness wasn't, at least partially, in response to that admission. Indeed, the fact that ivoryy's already been given advice to seek help but is still in the same situation is almost as troubling as ivoryy's own assessment that advice to 'get help' us not what he thinks he needs but rather advice to 'give in'...

Could tell more, but I want to get help, and not help to get away, Im in too deep, but help to mentally deal with it all, and support.
and:
I tried one forum already, and got responses of how to find help ect....
Maybe uncomfortable for many to support this of me, but if you want to help, help me give in.

Thus, my read of the situation is that ivoryy thinks that all he has to do is 'tough it out' and that, if he succeeds in doing so, things will somehow return, magically, to the way they were 'when life was good' during the first week of his experience; and more importantly, and that he's looking for 'advice' that will reinforce/sustain this delusion. Now when someone is in such a state of denial, you can try coaxing him back to reality gently - or you can deliver a short, sharp verbal 'smack' to the head in the hopes that the shock will reconnect him to the reality of the situation (and his situation is very, very perilous).

You, I and the others have tried the gentle coaxing approach, but I'm now not sure that JNew York's approach may not be the better one, after all, in this case. After all, JNY got your attention (and mine) - if he got ivoryy's attention too - then it might well be worth JNY's having engaged in some 'tough love' at this point.

JNY's choice of words about ivoryy 'getting what he deserves' was, at best, unfortunate. After all, few of us in life get exactly what we 'deserve' (for good or ill). But again, the reality is that the rest of us who've posted to this thread are powerless to do something about ivoryy's situation by circumstance. But in ivoryy's case, his powerlessness comes from choice, and until he realizes this and acts upon it, I greatly fear for him (and regret I can't do anything more than feel that fear...) :(
 
I am starting to understand what you mean qalanalt.

From what he said in the other thread.

But the point about "Him deserving what he gets" I will strongly argue against. But it's just as you said.

If he's gone to another forum and already asked and then comes here and says he doesn't really need help he just wants to learn to accept his role as being powerless then I guess it's his choice.

Regardless I do hope he makes the right decision.

But I guess all we can do is hope.
 
The original poster is 18, a legal ADULT, not a child. He needs to wake up.

He's asking for advice on how to be put in his place as a slave??? He doesn't appear to want help in getting OUT of being a slave, the most psychotic situation I've ever heard of in my life. No. He wants advice on how to learn to be a slave forever.

Please.

Don't encourage his PSYCHO-drama here. Ignore him.

P.S. I'm not convinced this situation is even real. And if it is, he will just have to grow a pair of balls and walk out the door. Don't encourage his need for drama by investing in counseling him. He's baiting you all. Let him talk to us here when he's out of that house and seeking help. Don't insult me by asking me how I can help you "learn your place" as a slave.

P.P.S. Think of the young minds reading here who are exposed to this psycho situation and the original poster's psychosis. Is this healthy for anyone? No.k

The title "Help me to learn my place" is the most patently offensive title I've ever seen on this site.

Help him be abused?

Sick.

Don't invest one breath on this individual. Not one breath.

I assure you I won't. I'll say nothing. Nada. Zip.

I'm done with this thread.
 
I did not mean to start all this, Im sorry.
I did not even think I would get but a few response, but oh my.
I never ment it to sound as bad as it did.
I have learned a lot from when I last posted.
I still need to re-read all of what you all have said, just a lot to take in.
I have decided not to get out of my situation.
Really tired now, but I just wanted to say thanks to those who have tried to understand.
P.S. (I) really need not to start everything with (I)

Do not be sorry.

There are many people here.

You have found a forum that is the BEST one on the internet.

Please follow the advice given here. Many have offered their help through the PM system.

We care. (*8*)
 
These guys are right.

Hi ivorry. Contrary to popular belief you are NEVER too young to start learning the lifestyle. But learning and engaging in it are two very different things.

The reason why there aren't so many young slaves and why the community isn't as big as it used to be is because of AIDS. Aids killed so many people who were involved in the community and new guard sort of came around for some reason.

Which says that a slave is a bitch and property to a master, that a slave has to be shave completely, the slave cannot contact anyone, and just stupid and fantasy rules.

The whole thing about the Master/slave lifestyle as well as the leather lifestyle (No not the whole look at me I look so cute in my leather thing) is Respect, Honor, Trust, and Love.

There is a difference between BDSM and Leather and Master/slave lifestyles though.

Master/slave is a relationship. Somewhat like a dom sub relationship. Leather can be as well. BDSM. Is sex. It's not a relationship. It's a scene. There can be scenes in the lifestyle but scenes do not make up the lifestyle.

And as for his friends doing kinky things to you. You need to get out of there. Just because a Sir puts a collar around your neck. Whether it be training, a chain, a hello kitty collar or whatever it does not make you his. And just because you sign a contract doesn't mean you can't leave.

Yes it's true that I am a slave and I belong to a Sir and I have signed a contract. It's not so much about the validity of the contract. It's about the symbolism of it. You should only sign the contract when you are ready. And the way it's SUPPOSED to work is the master or dom is supposed to make the contract for you and YOU get to look over it and question anything that is in there, make some changes, or suggest something that you want removed or added. And then once it's finalized than you sign it.

Like some other people have stated it is unclear what you want.

There are resources to learn about the lifestyle. There might even be a social group in your area.

But this is not the way. I have had bad experiences with Sir's at well. And Sir's who I considered to be my master.

Some of them said, "Oh for us stop means stop". "NO put the blindfold on it will be fun"

I've talked to a so called Sir before who tells me he wants to interview me as his potential slave but how I can't talk to the ones who are helping me learn about the lifestyle, I can't talk to my parents, I have to cut off all communication, and how I have to make a decision NOW!

Those are red flags if there ever were any.

A dom should not make you feel trapped. A dom should not cut off your connections to the outside world. There is a very sadistic reason why a dom would want you to do that. A dom should not push you around and make you do everything they say. Even as a slave you still have a voice and you still have right.

For example. With my Sir in our contract it's stated that although Sir's word is final I can still express any concerns I have. A good Sir will not want to do anything that potentially causes his slave harm. Be that mentally or physically. Safewords are only good if they are respected as well.

You need to be EXTREMLY careful with doms who want a feminine boy. I have been called feminine before but that's not who I am. The reason I say this is because some of those doms are very warped. There are some really dangerous people out there and it's not smart to give yourself away after you just turned 18, without looking into the person at all, or the lifestyle.

When you are considering a dom you also want to ASK FOR REFERENCES. If he refuses to give you some than that is a warning sign. Doms who respect the lifestyle and understand it will give you references and allow you to contact those people.

I am wondering about how you moved in with this man and your parents not knowing about it. But I don't think I should dwelve into that.

The point is this isn't the lifestyle. I don't know what you are looking for. But this is fantasy. This type of dom has the mindset of keeping a bitch sub slave and locking them in a cage, letting their friends rape him, changing his appearance, and doing whatever they want with him and not caring what the sub bitch boi thinks.

This is not what old guard or the lifestyle is about and a slave is not a bitch. A slave is actually a very strong person. But unfortunately there are some bastards out there who know how to break a person and how to completely dehumanize them and take any potential or dreams they ever had and just completely crush them.

Do not let this man do it to you.

Even though you need to get out you do need to be careful.

You said he leaves you alone sometimes. You should call that help line number and talk to someone. You need to take into careful consideration about what advice they tell you though. I say this because there are doms out there who will not let you leave and keep you trapped or worse. But it seems like right now you do have a window of opportunity. Will you still have what communication you have TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT!

And then base your decision about whether to leave or not or how to leave on everything you have heard. Maybe this is what you want. There are some guys out here who would love to do this. Regardless of what you want. This is not the lifestyle and what leather and Master/slave is about. Just know that. Oh and that guy isn't a master.

You can put on a pair of checker pants and a white coat and call yourself a chef. You can put on white pants and a jacket and a stethoscope and call yourself a doctor. It doesn't make it true though.

Good luck. And feel free to PM me if you want to talk more.

I also know a woman who is a counselor for people curious about the lifestyle or who are in the lifestyle and have questions about it. She actually spoke at a Masters and Slaves meeting a while back.

But whatever you do find the resources, numbers, or places that you can that can help you. Good luck :)

Your posts are impressive, gdude30. Thanks.

The contract isn't legally binding, but it has a high symbolic value indeed. Normally those contracts are signed after the slave had the possibilty to answer a questionnaire in the following style:

http://boymasterx.crobdsm.com/slave_application.php

And the contract normally explicitely refers to the questionnaire. It fully depends on the slave whether the Master can order body modifications, use by thirds, humiliations, abuse by thirds, etc.... A real Master will never accept a non-limits slave, because everybody has limits. There are many guys who crave to be totally powerless vis-à-vis a Master, but no-limits slaves are only a dream.
 
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