Here's another one

[billybob109]

You guys are good good buds and you do not know this info, that is kind of strange

 

[IntoTheDarkness]

Man, you need to chill out a bit. There are too many hormones running around at the moment. Play things a little coool. Don't question everything. You need to establish trust between the two of you. Tell him how important your friendship is to you, and hope it is important to him too. Show you trust him. Tell him outright you are gay, you are going to have to come out sometime. Tell him you loved the picture of his cock, but he's more to you than a cock picture - he's a mate. Tell him you don't care whether he's straight, gay, bi, hermaphrodite, asexual. He's your friend - an annoying one sometimes - but a friend none the less. Finally, it sounds like he's drinking too much. Does he need some help with that? It's likely he's burying his unhappiness in the bottle. Best of luck

Heh, the irony of it is his mother is a nurse and his dad is a drug and alcohol counsellor...

Eh, I dunno. He seems to be more open as time goes on, we'll see what he's like next time I talk to him.

You guys are good good buds and you do not know this info, that is kind of strange

Eh, this is gonna be too confusing for you guys unless I use names, not like it matters. The guy I've been refferring to through this whole thing is Alex.

Don't know what? And no, we only became friends because of some other dude (Dylan) who used to be a mutual acquaintance. Long story short, last time I saw Dylan he was fine, said something about catching up again that weekend, neither me, nor Alex have seen him in close to 6 months...Dylan and Alex used to be best mates, and now Dylan won't talk to Alex either it seems. He was on myspace a few weeks ago, both of us messaged him, he sent me one back saying something along the lines of, "fuck off, if I wanted to talk to you I would've contacted you by now, I wanna talk to Alex..."

Ironically he ignored all the messages from Alex. Now Alex said fuck it, he's pissed off at Dylan for what he said to me and now doesn't wanna talk to him anymore...I find that interesting in itself, because normally its not the sort of thing Alex would give a shit about. Hell, I don't.

 

[innocentbychoice]

^ You're saying that he isn't responding to you. He isn't physically responding but you don't know what's going on inside his head. Maybe his heart raises when you say it's ok for both of you to fool around and wants to do it but it's just so hard to, specially for a closet case; you have to keep that mind, he isn't just any guy in the gay club who would say yes in a heart beat.

Maybe you should push it a little further like touching his cock next time he starts making those comments...

 

[Lube]

Thoughts? And is there anything else I can/should do when we're drinking and he starts talking about stuff like that? I mean, every time we're together its all he seems to talk about. He supposedly has a girlfriend, although he never sees her as far as I know...but like I said, is it normal for a straight guy to constantly talk about gay sex, giving/getting blowjobs from other guys and shit like that??

Might I add that last night we started off drinkin in the gardens (just down the road from his place, at like 11pm) and he kept talking about how dark it was and it freaked him out (it's not a fucking cemetery...) and he commented that he "wanted me to hold him"...which I did lol.

No str8 guys do not act like that at all. As Rareboy said, he's gay. And as someone else said, he's scared and you need to build trust.

I had a fairly long post in another thread recently about me working with a very shy guy (who did at least acknowledge that he was gay) who had trust issues. A lot of guys would say it's a waste of time; find someone who's more approachable. But I actually enjoyed bringing him out, and showing him how trustworthy I could be. It turned into a wonderful afternoon, and I discovered the best kisser I ever met.

Actions speak louder than words. As I said earlier, don't mention 'gay' or 'homosexual' or anything like that. Just take advantage of an opening and continue to push gently until you sense him pulling back.

For example, him wanting to hold/hug you was a great opening. I'd've held him lightly and let him get used to it. Then I'd hug a little harder. Then shift my body to get a better whole-body grip. Then maybe used my hands to massage his back or shoulders. Then maybe rubbed his neck and put my fingers through his hair. Make him really enjoy the tactile sensations (not sex, just the touch of another man). It's clearly what he's craving.

By going slowly like that (just touching his upper body, not groping his cock right away) you build trust that you're not just trying to bag him to tell all your friends about. And at the same time, he really gets to experience and enjoy what it's like to be touched and admired by another man. He'd probably have a huge erection by then!

But it's admittedly a very fine line that you're trying not to cross. Go too fast, and he'll pull back.

Good luck.

 

[hanshansen]

Actions speak louder than words. ... Just take advantage of an opening and continue to push gently until you sense him pulling back.

For example, him wanting to hold/hug you was a great opening. I'd've held him lightly and let him get used to it. Then I'd hug a little harder. Then shift my body to get a better whole-body grip. Then maybe used my hands to massage his back or shoulders. Then maybe rubbed his neck and put my fingers through his hair. Make him really enjoy the tactile sensations (not sex, just the touch of another man). It's clearly what he's craving.

By going slowly like that (just touching his upper body, not groping his cock right away) you build trust that you're not just trying to bag him to tell all your friends about. And at the same time, he really gets to experience and enjoy what it's like to be touched and admired by another man. He'd probably have a huge erection by then!

But it's admittedly a very fine line that you're trying not to cross. Go too fast, and he'll pull back.

Someone tried this with me recently. It works .

 

[Lube]

Someone tried this with me recently. It works .

He he.

And, it might even be better if you don't talk about sex or relationships or anything too personal while you're rubbing the guy's back. Talk about what happened that day, or a friend you both know, or a movie you've seen or whatever.

As you talk, his mind will have to concentrate on the topic at hand (well, OK, don't talk about taxes or world peace or anything; make it fun) and you can touch and massage his body without him really thinking too much about it. He'll just be in a really good mood and enjoy it.

Just go easy and casual and don't make any abrupt moves.

If after all this he's still not resisting, hug him and casually brush your lips against his neck. If he doesn't jump at that point, continue hugging him and start rubbing his back, and occasionally (and with greater frequency & force) brush your lips against his neck and then ears.

Eventually you might be able to kiss his cheek gently, and, well, if he doesn't resist that, you can move to his lips.

Note: At no point should you ask him if he wants any of these things done! He will probably say 'no'! Just do it, but do it casually, smoothly, and gently.

It will become immediately obvious if he doesn't like something. His body will tense up and because you are all over him, you will feel it. At that point, don't do anything sudden, just keep talking as if nothing happened and pull back a little bit (stop kissing, rub more gently, that sort of thing). You want to end on a good note, so maybe just start slowly withdrawing (not your cock from his ass; your hands from his torso!) while keeping the conversation going. You want him to leave with warm, soft thoughts, not a sudden pullback and awkwardness.

This all comes from Chapter 46, Pages 392-394 of Lube's Guide to Seducing a Shy Guy. (I really enjoyed writing this; perhaps I should get a job writing soft porn.)

 

[corbenik]

You totally should, cause that was HOT.

 

[IntoTheDarkness]

...Guess who's gone off and had another hissy fit because he's been changing his mind again about getting a job? He told me about three weeks ago he wants to get a job, so I lined one up where I work with my boss (no easy task, my boss is a fuckwit). Now Alex has changed his mind, he would rather sit around on his ass and collect unemployment benefits because hes too fuckin' lazy to get a job and work for it. Yes, he actually admitted it. He told me he doesn't want to work there (so why did he lie and tell me he applied three times?) and that he's been getting offers to work in various places around town (because apparently every business in town has been chasing him to get him to work for them even though he hasn't so much as handed out one single resume or applied for one job)

Anyway, while thats his choice to do that, the reasons I got pissed off is because

1) It's bullshit that someone who's quite capable of working should be able to fake being retarded (yes, he actually said that) to claim bigger benefits from centerlink.

2) Its bullshit that he says he doesn't need money but he's always begging me to pay for the alcohol when we get on the piss.

and 3) Because hes wasting my time, and my bosses time by changing his mind every five seconds. I know its not the greatest job in the world, but it pays sort of ok for what we do, and its not exactly hard work.

Besides, anyone who works there's job is secure, because the boss is too chicken shit to fire anyone. I threatened to leave on Friday night because he was treating one of my mates who works there (and now wants to quit like so many other people have done, are about to do and want to do) like shit, and saying he doesn't care if they leave or whether they think hes a cunt. I told him to tell me that in front of his two bosses. Needless to say, he didn't. I told him this guy would probably no show yesterday morning, and surprise surprise, he did. I was going to, but figured he'd just be even more of a cunt if I did.

Sooo yeah, Alex won't talk to me again...I give it a week. As usual.

Thoughts?

 

[Lube]

Bleah, that has nothing to do with sex. *yawn* Wake me up when we're back on sex.

Oh, and he doesn't exactly sound like the kind of guy to spend a lot of time (or money) chasing.

 

[beatleshead]

I Dont agree...I think he is worth it. did you ever think that maybe he goes into these stupid hissy fits just to argue with you? I know that when I do that to a guy I like its cos I wanna be in a different conflict than my other friends....so he could get the hint I like him.

P.S. OMG that touching guide thing by Lube was HOT!!! you should follow that next time and tell us IMMEDIATELY if it happens!!!!!