Hide the 'niggers!'

[Bradlee]

leave the book the way it is.

 

[Harke the Boeotarch]

I'm all for "Niggertown"...

 

[RobinGoodfellow]

Remember when your grandparents and great-grandparents said they only had an 8th grade education? Well, check this out.
Could any of us have passed the 8th grade in 1895?


Time's up! put your pencils down....
Gives the saying 'he only had an 8th grade education' a whole new meaning, doesn't it?!

Also shows you how poor our education system has become and, NO, I don't have the answers! I'm still stumped on that orthography shit! WTF?
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You'll note a few things:

1) Excluding most of the math stuff, most of this stuff is still taught. However, most kids could probably do it in about half the time, if that. OK; except for a promissory note, and maybe one or two of the orthography questions...Oh; and some of that stuff is even still relevant, like Mt. Saint Helens. Also, note that some of the words have changed.

2) On the math stuff: You'll note that it's mostly for farming. Give a kid today access to what that stuff is (such as what "bushel" or "tare" is), and it wouldn't slow them down. Also, I'd check the source; "metre" is not only spelled wrong (an American would have spelled it "meter"), and the treaty regarding the metric system had only been signed twenty years previously (in 1875); mighty fast getting around.

3) I bet a kid from that era wouldn't even be able to start taking a test from today. For one thing, a lot more questions. For another, a kid today has entirely different group of survival skills; I'd bet the 1899 kid couldn't even begin to type a term paper or work a microwave.

I'm calling shenanigans....

RG

 

[The_Reaper]

I know I'm going to take flak for this, as the comparisons aren't quite the same...

And with that, I say that times were different then, and I think we're all big enough boys and girls to recognized that. That was the language of the time, right or wrong, and it's an accurate depiction of the cultural lexicon that characters in that time would use. It would be akin to 50 years from now, people going back and editing out the word 'Bro' to describe a certain kind of douche-bag male because the word is now offensive.

What's next, are we going to put pants on Michelangelo's David because nudity is offensive in our society?

 

[ShihTzuTylenol]

Still not sure.

I guess I'll have to give in and get myself a Sloppyseconds to English dictionary...hell, we could be missing some really critical fire safety tips Kuli

 

[Lefty]

nope, just morph his hands over his obscenely small penis

on the statue and photo shop them over it on the pictures.

Simple solutions for simple people......

See you can hide the 'penises' too.

Mike won't care, he is even deader that Mark or Sam.

 

[Stardreamer]

The fact is that Clemens used the word so much INTENTIONALLY to emphasis the situation of Blacks in the South. This was intended to be an anti-slavery, anti-racist book. By changing the wording like this they undermine the message and impact of the works meaning.

 

[ShihTzuTylenol]

You'll note a few things:

1) Excluding most of the math stuff, most of this stuff is still taught. However, most kids could probably do it in about half the time, if that. OK; except for a promissory note, and maybe one or two of the orthography questions...Oh; and some of that stuff is even still relevant, like Mt. Saint Helens. Also, note that some of the words have changed.

2) On the math stuff: You'll note that it's mostly for farming. Give a kid today access to what that stuff is (such as what "bushel" or "tare" is), and it wouldn't slow them down. Also, I'd check the source; "metre" is not only spelled wrong (an American would have spelled it "meter"), and the treaty regarding the metric system had only been signed twenty years previously (in 1875); mighty fast getting around.

3) I bet a kid from that era wouldn't even be able to start taking a test from today. For one thing, a lot more questions. For another, a kid today has entirely different group of survival skills; I'd bet the 1899 kid couldn't even begin to type a term paper or work a microwave.

I'm calling shenanigans....

RG

I'll need a couple minutes to calm down, please...........


Weird; I had this sudden irrational urge to yank hair out of your head with both hands as we scuffled knocking over some key furniture and appliances with lots of explosive glass peppered throughout the soundtrack (C'est La Vie by Bob Seger), but it's slowly receding -- if you could just remain patient........


another moment please.........


Better now -- I think.
Hi Robin. How was your holiday weekend gummydrop? Did you do anything exciting and fun?

time out again, I still want to try and bite you while we both struggle to keep our balance and finally crash onto a variety of house plants...........perhaps that 1899 kid couldn't type a term paper or work a microwave, but I'd wager the 2011 kid couldn't [or wouldn't] hoe 2 acres of corn on a Saturday from sunrise to sunset then study by candlelight on a rickety bed with 4 other siblings all cuddling to stay under a single thinning quilt.
Only to wake up to Monday morning chores before the 3⅔ mile trek with younger sibs in tow through wooded fields and muddy pastures to a single room schoolhouse with inadequate heating and virtually no lunch-ladies preparing a nice hot meal when all the bellies begin to growl around 10:15a.m..........


**hyperventilating into paper bag**

 

[ShihTzuTylenol]

The fact is that Clemens used the word so much INTENTIONALLY to emphasis the situation of Blacks in the South. This was intended to be an anti-slavery, anti-racist book. By changing the wording like this they undermine the message and impact of the works meaning.

Yes, it's like watching Pulp Fiction on basic cable. They chop the shit out of it until it's a fucking joke! The censoring is always so sloppy, the film immediately loses all credibility as an artistic statement about good vs. evil or survival in overwhelming adversity to essentially an Ed Wood quality B-movie piece of entertainment.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

Are you people kidding me? Has nobody seriously read this book? The point of Huck Finn constantly thinking of Jim as a nigger and calling him a nigger is that Huck Finn isn't racist himself, he was just taught the word. In fact, most of the book is about the word itself and how it cut down black people after the emancipation of slaves. His idea was to set a particularly morally pure character of Huck Finn and make him apparently racist. That is until he meets the character of Jim, and while still thinking of him as a nigger and even calling him one, does not think any different of him simply because of what he is called (because thinking differently about a person because of what he is to you is racism).

People who think Mark Twain was racist are complete fucking idiots with no true reading comprehension abilities, and this changing of the book is only rape of art. That people want to educate their children on this book and on Mark Twain in general shows that they know he was important at least in some ways, but their censoring of his work shows that they never really understood why he was important.

folk just read books no figure much anyway

love of ways ins da belly of hell make what no figure da ways of it

 

[Lefty]

When I was a honkie mother fucker of an adolescent I was taught that nigger

not a good word even though my best friend was 1/2 negro and his mother

was married to a portagee. As I hit my teen years I dated a black girl and later

had a serious relationship with this african-american. Dated me a wet back and a

rice burner in there too. I was still a like a honky lmother fucker......was that fair?

Oh, and there's some language in that other old book......somebodys' fucking

Testament about people nailing people on crosses and then the one called

the Koran or Quaran by some people that says to kill people that don't agree

with them or something and then there's that edition put out by the guys that

cut the ends of peoples dicks off to prove something. Lets get them cleaned

up too. Piss poor examples for our children, future leaders of the world... EH?

Re=write or burn this shit up....my kids need protection from these travesties/

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

When I was a honkie mother fucker of an adolescent I was taught that nigger

not a good word even though my best friend was 1/2 negro and his mother

was married to a portagee. As I hit my teen years I dated a black girl and later

had a serious relationship with this african-american. Dated me a wet back and a

rice burner in there too. I was still a like a honky lmother fucker......was that fair?

Oh, and there's some language in that other old book......somebodys' fucking

Testament about people nailing people on crosses and then the one called

the Koran or Quaran by some people that says to kill people that don't agree

with them or something and then there's that edition put out by the guys that

cut the ends of peoples dicks off to prove something. Lets get them cleaned

up too. Piss poor examples for our children, future leaders of the world... EH?

Re=write or burn this shit up....my kids need protection from these travesties/

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usa many folk of many country ans of resdient before much put up with ans stills a do taday as ins many countrys no just internet idea balck white routine they kick around like toy

 

[Kulindahr]

The fact is that Clemens used the word so much INTENTIONALLY to emphasis the situation of Blacks in the South. This was intended to be an anti-slavery, anti-racist book. By changing the wording like this they undermine the message and impact of the works meaning.

Said better plain that as I mentioned it earlier -- excellent.

Are you people kidding me? Has nobody seriously read this book? The point of Huck Finn constantly thinking of Jim as a nigger and calling him a nigger is that Huck Finn isn't racist himself, he was just taught the word. In fact, most of the book is about the word itself and how it cut down black people after the emancipation of slaves. His idea was to set a particularly morally pure character of Huck Finn and make him apparently racist. That is until he meets the character of Jim, and while still thinking of him as a nigger and even calling him one, does not think any different of him simply because of what he is called (because thinking differently about a person because of what he is to you is racism).

People who think Mark Twain was racist are complete fucking idiots with no true reading comprehension abilities, and this changing of the book is only rape of art. That people want to educate their children on this book and on Mark Twain in general shows that they know he was important at least in some ways, but their censoring of his work shows that they never really understood why he was important.

Most excellent!

 

[Kulindahr]

Dated me a wet back and a
rice burner in there too.

You dated a motor vehicle???

 

[ShihTzuTylenol]

I'm calling shenanigans....

AWESOME I'm starving, do they still have the hot wings on sale? I want a gross of those and a shenanigan cheeseburger with everything. Thanks cuppycake.





Ed Woodian Algebra 101

 

[Lefty]

yes Kuli

was that bad?

Guess I won't mention the Cougar in BelAir or the Taurus that

picked me up at the 440 in Le Mans

 

[Kulindahr]

Stay off the drugs.

He is.

When Lefty is on drugs, he writes like he's having a conversation with his hallucinating twin in an alternate universe where Adolf Hitler was gay and did conquer Europe.

 

[Lefty]

I have to leave this thread for a bit....my bro Righty is winging over for coffee

and pipes.....but I might be back.

 

[RobinGoodfellow]

time out again, I still want to try and bite you while we both struggle to keep our balance and finally crash onto a variety of house plants...........perhaps that 1899 kid couldn't type a term paper or work a microwave, but I'd wager the 2011 kid couldn't [or wouldn't] hoe 2 acres of corn on a Saturday from sunrise to sunset then study by candlelight on a rickety bed with 4 other siblings all cuddling to stay under a single thinning quilt.
Only to wake up to Monday morning chores before the 3⅔ mile trek with younger sibs in tow through wooded fields and muddy pastures to a single room schoolhouse with inadequate heating and virtually no lunch-ladies preparing a nice hot meal when all the bellies begin to growl around 10:15a.m..........


**hyperventilating into paper bag**

The reason for calling shenanigans was your comparison of apples and oranges, and this post sort of backs that. It's an obvious exaggeration of the difference, but I tend to get annoyed at people that somehow think earlier times were so much better than the modern day. It gets really funny when you realize that the complaints about how kids "had it so much better when I was a kid" probably go as far back to the first cavemen who yelled at the kids to get out of his cave.

Kids are just as disrespectful then as they were now, and school sucks then just as much as it does now. You will always have those pointing out how school doesn't serve the needs of the children; I know this because I've read up on the complaints from as far back as Ancient Greece; the only thing that has changed is that we back our gripes up with statistics (and didn't Mark Twain have something to say about those...?). Sure, the kids were better at farming; how does that really prove anything about how good or bad the school system is? And do you really want to return to those days? Something to think long and hard about.

RG

 

[belamyi]

I suggest that you either choose to post the whole link or quote the code between the