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Highly educated Democrats are now way more liberal than the rest of the party

Liberal and conservative shift around quite a bit.

It's interesting how in places like Australia and the EU, both conservatives and liberals agree on universal healthcare.
Yet in America you would think that Marx himself came up with it..
 
BenDan said:
you're not sure about a lot of things - you just think you are

and the Hillaryists here - you among the lemmings

equate legitimate progressive disdain for Hilary with Republican congressional Benghazi hearings

and that's on you for not being "sure" of the differences with are vast

as for the piece, it's not a right wing piece, but it would suit yours and other Hillaryists purposes IF it was LOL
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You aren't being entirely fair.

With all the shit that gets lobbed at Hillary.....you actually have to be a nuanced thinker to wade through all of it and still arrive at the point where you support her bid for president.

Her supporters are hardly lemmings.

She isn't promising them pie in the sky or candy floss platitudes. She is often just telling it like it is...even when the special interest groups don't like the message.

The next time around...if the progressives and independents want to take over the Democrat party...have at it. But start at the grass-roots and start in 2018 with the mid-terms so that by 2024...when Hillary is finishing her second term...the progressive candidate will win the day in a landslide.
 
I think one is essentially comparing kumquats to porcupines should you try and make sense of any National presidential poll at this time. That's because Hillary has been under the looking glass for the past quarter century. Contrast that against Bernie, who until the last year, had not spent much time in the national spotlight. Let alone the last 25 years.

So comparing a weathered, beaten-to-a-pulp, still standing national candidate who is currently leading in the Democratic primary election process for President to a johnny-come-lately to the national stage is hardly fair. One can only wonder where Mr. Sanders would be performing in the current election had he too been under such scrutiny. Or even in the election at all. Hmmmm...

Look, if you like Hillary or Bernie, that's great. But let's face it, either of them beats any of the Repubs current crop. Imagine how much further Bernie or Hillary could go with the support from the entire Democratic electorate currently participating in the primary.

It will happen.
 
TX-Beau said:
:rotflmao:

Anyone who can vote is affected by the minimum wage.

The rest of that is standard Republican whining. Tell us Evanrick, are they paying you? Or are you trolling us for free?
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the two of them are as transparent as can be. We are days away from them voting for Trump as a "protest" vote.:lol:
 
BenDan said:
you're not sure about a lot of things - you just think you are

and the Hillaryists here - you among the lemmings

equate legitimate progressive disdain for Hilary with Republican congressional Benghazi hearings

and that's on you for not being "sure" of the differences with are vast

as for the piece, it's not a right wing piece, but it would suit yours and other Hillaryists purposes IF it was LOL
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Yep. Serious liberals attacked Obama just as hard as the Tea Party, though in more elegant language, because he was not and is not a liberal. Serious liberals and progressives dislike Hillary for the same reason -- she's even more right-wing than Obama, and as authoritarian as Dick Cheney.
 
BenDan said:
you're not sure about a lot of things - you just think you are

and the Hillaryists here - you among the lemmings

equate legitimate progressive disdain for Hilary with Republican congressional Benghazi hearings

and that's on you for not being "sure" of the differences with are vast

as for the piece, it's not a right wing piece, but it would suit yours and other Hillaryists purposes IF it was LOL
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Only reason I'm not sure, is because I think you're dishonest.
You write very distinctively in haiku like Chance, a member who was banned here. If you are Chance, then why not say?
Deception is not an honourable thing.

Recycling Republican attack politics-talking points and posing as a progressive is entirely dishonest.
 
Kulindahr said:
Yep. Serious liberals attacked Obama just as hard as the Tea Party, though in more elegant language, because he was not and is not a liberal. Serious liberals and progressives dislike Hillary for the same reason -- she's even more right-wing than Obama, and as authoritarian as Dick Cheney.
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I am as far left as the spectrum allows...been that way all of my life....

I am a "Serious Liberal"....I disavow the term "Progressive" thanks to the Berns

....and after that...I am not going to let anyone define who I am as a Liberal and an Individual...period. If you try...it will be about who you/they are...not me.

I did protest both Clinton and Obama in 2008 because they were more conservative than I would have liked..him more than her.

I have since evolved my own opinions based on their actions and more informed information....

As for the issues that are important to me and why..no one who ever tells me what they are or what they should be will get much of a response from me because the premise is completely dishonest....in other words...don't assign me a position I didn't take and ask me to defend it. I just roll my eyes..chuckle to myself..and move along...

There are many very liberal groups and individuals who score the candidates...groups and individuals I trust. Hillary Clinton gets high marks from most of them..as she always has.....

She was rated as the 11th most Liberal member of Congress...and that is not my opinion ...it is a fact....

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/...as-the-11th-Most-Liberal-Member-of-the-Senate

Repeating the same propaganda over and over and assuming it is the truth does NOT make it the truth. It makes it what it is...propaganda.
 
eastofeden said:
I am as far left as the spectrum allows...been that way all of my life....

I am a "Serious Liberal"....I disavow the term "Progressive" thanks to the Berns

....and after that...I am not going to let anyone define who I am as a Liberal and an Individual...period. If you try...it will be about who you/they are...not me.

I did protest both Clinton and Obama in 2008 because they were more conservative than I would have liked..him more than her.

I have since evolved my own opinions based on their actions and more informed information....

As for the issues that are important to me and why..no one who ever tells me what they are or what they should be will get much of a response from me because the premise is completely dishonest....in other words...don't assign me a position I didn't take and ask me to defend it. I just roll my eyes..chuckle to myself..and move along...

There are many very liberal groups and individuals who score the candidates...groups and individuals I trust. Hillary Clinton gets high marks from most of them..as she always has.....

She was rated as the 11th most Liberal member of Congress...and that is not my opinion ...it is a fact....

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/...as-the-11th-Most-Liberal-Member-of-the-Senate

Repeating the same propaganda over and over and assuming it is the truth does NOT make it the truth. It makes it what it is...propaganda.
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One thing anyone should learn, from this 2016 Democratic presidential primaries, is to not easily trust these professional "progressives" and "liberals."

Paul Krugman is a great example of that.

And the fact that you are knocking Bernie Sanders tells me you're not left wing. (You're likely there part way…like socially.)
 
Kabluey said:
Only reason I'm not sure, is because I think you're dishonest.
You write very distinctively in haiku like Chance, a member who was banned here. If you are Chance, then why not say?
Deception is not an honourable thing.

Recycling Republican attack politics-talking points and posing as a progressive is entirely dishonest.
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Except that some are only "Republican attack politics-talking points" because Republicans use them, too; you can only get away with calling them that by ignoring the fact that they are points made by liberal critics as well.

Don't forget that the heaviest and most solid condemnations of Obama come from the left, from people who have recognized that he is more of an "imperial president" than Reagan ever was, and more an extension of Bush than anything matching his campaign rhetoric.
 
eastofeden said:
I am as far left as the spectrum allows...been that way all of my life....

I am a "Serious Liberal"....I disavow the term "Progressive" thanks to the Berns

....and after that...I am not going to let anyone define who I am as a Liberal and an Individual...period. If you try...it will be about who you/they are...not me.

I did protest both Clinton and Obama in 2008 because they were more conservative than I would have liked..him more than her.

I have since evolved my own opinions based on their actions and more informed information....

As for the issues that are important to me and why..no one who ever tells me what they are or what they should be will get much of a response from me because the premise is completely dishonest....in other words...don't assign me a position I didn't take and ask me to defend it. I just roll my eyes..chuckle to myself..and move along...

There are many very liberal groups and individuals who score the candidates...groups and individuals I trust. Hillary Clinton gets high marks from most of them..as she always has.....

She was rated as the 11th most Liberal member of Congress...and that is not my opinion ...it is a fact....

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/...as-the-11th-Most-Liberal-Member-of-the-Senate

Repeating the same propaganda over and over and assuming it is the truth does NOT make it the truth. It makes it what it is...propaganda.
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Except that's a subjective measurement: it rests on the feelings of people, which is still subjective, regardless of how large the sample of people is. On the world stage, Hillary is no liberal; for that matter, in historical terms, she's no liberal (she's too authoritarian).

If a true classical liberal showed up, the Democrats would turn their backs.

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CoolBlue71 said:
One thing anyone should learn, from this 2016 Democratic presidential primaries, is to not easily trust these professional "progressives" and "liberals."

Paul Krugman is a great example of that.

And the fact that you are knocking Bernie Sanders tells me you're not left wing. (You're likely there part way…like socially.)
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Okay, I'll bite -- how is Krugman a "great example"? (maybe that needs its own thread?)
 
Kabluey said:
Only reason I'm not sure, is because I think you're dishonest.
You write very distinctively in haiku like Chance, a member who was banned here. If you are Chance, then why not say?
Deception is not an honourable thing.

Recycling Republican attack politics-talking points and posing as a progressive is entirely dishonest.
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I certainly remember Chance thinking that Hillary was the greatest thing going in 2012 when he was knocking Obama daily during the campaign.....
 
Kabluey said:
Only reason I'm not sure, is because I think you're dishonest.
You write very distinctively in haiku like Chance, a member who was banned here. If you are Chance, then why not say?
Deception is not an honourable thing.

Recycling Republican attack politics-talking points and posing as a progressive is entirely dishonest.
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yes attacking the messenger of truth is convenient but it doesn't change the facts

Hillary is no progressive - all of the points have been shown to you and others proving so

and your response is "you're not really for Bernie"

and that this is a Republican attack on Hillary

it's for all to see in words and sentences

you've no bullets in your gun and you're surrounded by the truth

I guess back to topic now ......

Since Bernie wants to educate all for free - free tuition and all

I guess the implication is more educated more liberal/progressive more likely to vote that way

smart man that Bernie
 
Kabluey said:
No one here is calling you the messenger of truth.
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yeah you cut and paste one sentence (here) or one word (thirst)

you're not contributing anything here - not new thought, not a new thread, not a thoughtful take

and so I bid you adieu as life is too short to waste time
 
Kulindahr said:
And Hillary winning means fewer voters will turn out, because most of her supporters are actually lukewarm. And that will hurt the party all the way down the line. And Bernie was a fool for saying he'll endorse her.
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Blah blah blah. Her "lukewarm" voters have won the nomination for her. Unlike the losers who need to be "inspired".
 
BenDan said:
yeah you cut and paste one sentence (here) or one word (thirst)

you're not contributing anything here - not new thought, not a new thread, not a thoughtful take

and so I bid you adieu as life is too short to waste time
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What do you really think you're contributing, by repeating the same things, even after they've been refuted or discredited?
Nothing.
This forum is not your personal megaphone. You can't keep repeating the same things without question.
 
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