Hillary Clinton and her presidential-loss, blame game of excluding herself

[TickTockMan]

Re: Now she's blaming 39 problems, but a Hillary ain't one.

From an outsiders point of view, she was the only one keeping the lunatics at the gate.

She elevated those lunatics to try and help her. That's not keeping them at the gate. She is why we have Trump instead of someone like Rubio.

 

[medic1]

Re: Now she's blaming 39 problems, but a Hillary ain't one.

^No, you have Trump because a lot of you threw your dolls out of your prams, and either wasted your vote, or did not even bother turning up.

 

[TickTockMan]

Re: Now she's blaming 39 problems, but a Hillary ain't one.

^No, you have Trump because a lot of you threw your dolls out of your prams, and either wasted your vote, or did not even bother turning up.

You are wrong.


1) No vote is wasted. Just because someone votes for someone other than you like doesn't mean it is wasted. That is lazy thinking.
2) People not showing up is on the parties. The DNC cheated and does not deny it and both parties' nominee were despised.


It would have not been Trump if Hillary and The DNC didn't show Trump off to the public. People were leaning much further to more "moderate" Republicans until people saw Trump.

 

[medic1]

Re: Now she's blaming 39 problems, but a Hillary ain't one.

^It has nothing to do with who i like, i did not get a vote, remember.

"I did not show up to cast my vote", but i blame that on the party. Seriously, and i mean seriously?

Why were the people "leaning" towards a sane Republican,? You are saying they did not because Hillary was showing off Trump.

Never heard such fantasy in my life. If you were a Democrat, and wasted your vote by not being a team player, then if you want to blame someone, look in the mirror.

 

[CoolBlue71]

Re: Now she's blaming 39 problems, but a Hillary ain't one.

Speaking of “mirrors”—that is actually what I would recommend sending in lieu of donating money to the DNC and establishment Democratic politicians. Include a note of instruction for how to use a mirror.

 

[TickTockMan]

Re: Now she's blaming 39 problems, but a Hillary ain't one.

^It has nothing to do with who i like, i did not get a vote, remember.

I know that, but you still have an opinion. That’s why you said people wasted their vote. If they voted for who you liked, there would have been no reason for you to say that. Nor would it have made sense.

"I did not show up to cast my vote", but i blame that on the party. Seriously, and i mean seriously?

Yes seriously. Why show up if you like neither candidate that actually has the chance to win. Most people don’t want to waste their time standing in line or going out for people they despise.

Why were the people "leaning" towards a sane Republican,? You are saying they did not because Hillary was showing off Trump.

Because the “sane” Republicans were known names in politics. Trump was an entertainer and business man. Hillary, The DNC, and the MSM that were for Hillary gave Trump serious airtime. They made him viable.

Never heard such fantasy in my life. If you were a Democrat, and wasted your vote by not being a team player, then if you want to blame someone, look in the mirror.

I thought you said you didn’t have a preference? Seems to me you do.


We have free choice. We don’t have to vote a party line just because most of the public is lazy. It is because of people that think like you that the world is so off tilt for regular people. I am quite aware who to blame. This thread is about her.

 

[medic1]

Re: Now she's blaming 39 problems, but a Hillary ain't one.

^Then why make it about me?
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As for people "that think like me", you have no idea what i think on the political spectrum.

But, hey, you made your bed lay on it. Just don't come beating your chest when even more cuts are made to social housing and your ability to access decent primary healthcare.

I am done with this conversation, your decision to turn your back on a party because you don't like the candidate, is your right.

But to then go on and say Trump is so evil, well buddy your fairy godmother granted you your wish. Enjoy.

 

[TickTockMan]

Re: Now she's blaming 39 problems, but a Hillary ain't one.

^Then why make it about me?
.

As for people "that think like me", you have no idea what i think on the political spectrum.

But, hey, you made your bed lay on it. Just don't come beating your chest when even more cuts are made to social housing and your ability to access decent primary healthcare.

I am done with this conversation, your decision to turn your back on a party because you don't like the candidate, is your right.

But to then go on and say Trump is so evil, well buddy your fairy godmother granted you your wish. Enjoy.

I get it. As long as people think like you it is okay. And it is not hard to tell what you think when you say vote blue no matter who.


And I didn't get my wish. I didn't like either. That's why I didn't vote for either.

 

[medic1]

Re: Now she's blaming 39 problems, but a Hillary ain't one.

If you did not vote, then in my opinion you, did not have an opinion, worth getting out there and fighting for.

Oh yeah. Please point out where i stated "vote blue, no matter who"

You decided not to cast your vote, again your decision. Common-sense would dictate to me, that a vote lost for one candidate, can only benefit the other.

Now i really am done with this convo. we are just going round in circles.

 

[TickTockMan]

Re: Now she's blaming 39 problems, but a Hillary ain't one.

If you did not vote, then in my opinion you, did not have an opinion, worth getting out there and fighting for.

Who said I didn’t vote? I didn’t.

Oh yeah. Please point out where i stated "vote blue, no matter who"

Thanks for asking. Right here.

Never heard such fantasy in my life. If you were a Democrat, and wasted your vote by not being a team player, then if you want to blame someone, look in the mirror.

You decided not to cast your vote, again your decision. Common-sense would dictate to me, that a vote lost for one candidate, can only benefit the other.

Again I never said I didn’t vote.

So we are either with you or against you. Convenient. There will always be pros and cons to everything. That doesn’t mean people should not make up their own mind. Trying to shame people for voting their conscious is sad.

Now i really am done with this convo. we are just going round in circles.

Okay. See you next post.

 

[Julian89]

Re: Now she's blaming 39 problems, but a Hillary ain't one.

How is this thread different to this one:
http://www.justusboys.com/forum/thr...idential-loss-blame-game-of-excluding-herself

But as per the flow of conversation so far, votes are earned. No one is automatically entitled to them. Each has the right what to do with his/her vote. Candidates should work their butts off hard earning them.

 

[gsdx]

Re: Now she's blaming 39 problems, but a Hillary ain't one.

I know that, but you still have an opinion. That’s why you said people wasted their vote.

In Medic's defence, there has been a lot of mention of 'wasted votes' in this forum. Anyone who voted for someone other than Trump or Clinton were said to have wasted their vote instead of passing on the message that neither Trump nor Clinton deserved their votes.

As outsiders, we can sit back and see the whole picture - something most Americans are unable to do.

EDIT: By the way, Trump has yet to shoulder the blame for his shameful blunders and failures and incompetence. It is always someone else's fault.

 

[Pierresro]

Re: Now she's blaming 39 problems, but a Hillary ain't one.

For any gay person here who voted fro TRUMP you are the problem. Some homosexuals did in Hitlers Germany, they were put in concentration camps so to those fools its coming and you are responsible!

 

[Julian89]

If she'd let her guard down during the campaign she might have seemed enough like an actual human being to have won.

That's for someone saying that she isn't a saint. Of course, she is portraying herself as one by not keeping it real. Average voters have this better the devil you know attitude. Of course, they know that the Deplorable-in-Chief is a womanizer and a pervert grab them by the pussy womanizer at that. But he owned up to it.

As for Hillary Clinton, she tried to give this image of competence and person of impeccable integrity thing with the way she handled her email incident, her speeches to Wall Street, her public and private positions and whatnot. People want to see her for who she is and she let her guard up way too high that is why they could not trust her.

 

[Julian89]

We'll only ever get a choice between evils until we eliminate the election that truly counts, the money election.

With Citizens United hollering around, we can only hope that major parties will ban Big Money by their own volition. If Republicans want to drain the swamp or Democrats provide a better deal, they can start by expunging Big Money voluntarily out of their political apparatuses.

 

[kallipolis]

People want to see her for who she is and she let her guard up way too high that is why they could not trust her.

Despite your interpretation Hillary Clinton won the popular vote, leading me to understand that your prejudice is showing.

 

[MystikWizard]

Re: Now she's blaming 39 problems, but a Hillary ain't one.

For any gay person here who voted fro TRUMP you are the problem. Some homosexuals did in Hitlers Germany, they were put in concentration camps so to those fools its coming and you are responsible!

Whereas I did not vote for Trump or Hillary, don't blame us for wanting to see corruption weeded out of the Democratic Party. Hillary Clinton and Wasserman-Schultz were the worst of the worst and this was a referendum on the desired reform of the party.

Those that do nothing and continue to tolerate (in some cases encourage) the status-quo are viewed as the problem from our side.

 

[Julian89]

^Oh yeah she did and yet she lost it. Mind telling me how much of those votes are for her and how much are simply against the Deplorable-in-Chief. We may never know but what we know is that a week or so before the election, 46% of likely voters believe that the Deplorable-in-Chief is more honest and trustworthy compared to 38% who said that it is Hillary Clinton who is more honest and trustworthy. Who would have thought that someone as sane and qualified as Hillary Clinton is viewed as less honest and trustworthy than the fringe and crazy Deplorable-in-Chief?

Reference: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...as-trump-opens-up-an-8-point-edge-on-honesty/

 

[Benvolio]

With Citizens United hollering around, we can only hope that major parties will ban Big Money by their own volition. If Republicans want to drain the swamp or Democrats provide a better deal, they can start by expunging Big Money voluntarily out of their political apparatuses.

Would that mean expunging big money advertisers on MSNBC, NBC, New York Times, Washington Post? Would Soros still be allowed to fund riots in the streets?

 

[kallipolis]

^In plain English minus political prejudice:

Popular Vote: Clinton 65,853,516 (48.5%) votes vs. Trump 62,984,825 (46.4%)

Clinton lost the election even though she won the national popular vote by almost 3 million votes.