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Hillary Clinton and her presidential-loss, blame game of excluding herself

^Ah! but the guilt syndrome continues to haunt those who believed that by voting Trump they could exact revenge on Hillary Clinton for daring to fraternize with bankers, and their ilk....leading them to post here daily, their frustrations that had they been a little more focused on Trump's track record as a "business man", they would have avoided him like the plague.
 
kallipolis said:
^Ah! but the guilt syndrome continues to haunt those who believed that by voting Trump they could exact revenge on Hillary Clinton for daring to fraternize with bankers, and their ilk....leading them to post here daily, their frustrations that had they been a little more focused on Trump's track record as a "business man", they would have avoided him like the plague.
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I haven't seen much evidence of any guilt...I see smug satisfaction instead.

Those same people STILL come here to bitch about Hillary..not much criticism of Trump at all..and some even praise him.
 
^It's arguable that smug satisfaction masquerades as guilt when hindsight enters the equation to remind those tripping on guilt, that the vendetta syndrome always repays its practitioner in full measure.
 
kallipolis said:
those who believed that by voting Trump they could exact revenge on Hillary Clinton for daring to fraternize with bankers, and their ilk...
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They still insist she was the worst choice. I'm not even seeing anybody suggesting they were "equally bad" or anything. Today's example, of course, is that Hillary would NOT be throwing transgendered people under the bus. There are examples, every day without fail, where Hillary would have been the better choice.

So, fraternizing with bankers is WORSE than loading your Cabinet with them????
 
Yes, lesser of two evils, East of Eden. I don't care how much you defend her, or her other corporate supporting ilk. Her foreign policy prescriptions are pretty much in synch with the neocons as well, and her record shows it. I won't apologize for my distaste for her. My state (New Jersey) she won handily, I didn't vote for either and never would have considered Trump. If the polling in NJ had tightened like the Rust Belt states that proved to be her undoing, I reluctantly would have voted for her instead rather than been culpable with my vote in contributing to her losing my state, but she won by 12%(and was leading by 10-15% in the polls just beforehand) and there was no need.

But Trump is infinitely worse on the "evils" scale and I think he has proven just how toxic he is. And on a number of issues it is clear even though personally distasteful she would be a whole lot better than the 24/7 psycho garbage we are getting now from the "Tweeter-in-Chief". And nothing more despicable than a man who clearly worships himself above all getting so close with those phony holy rollers(remember folks the praying hand in hand in the White House with evangelical leaders?)Trump filling his staff and cabinet with people with clear ultraconservative agendas and/or corporate associations despite the pledge to "drain the swamp" show full well that Trump's word meant nothing. This is a guy who demands loyalty above all else but who would throw even the closest sycophant under the bus(and back over said sycophant without hesitation).

He says "drain the swamp" and made a big thing about banning those in the Administration from lobbying for years but almost immediately carves exceptions big enough to let a 747 through. His whole agenda will result in the strengthening of those already at or near the top, at the expense of the middle class(already struggling) working poor, and impoverished. The big shots don't need to lobby much anyway. On everything from taxes to regulations to consumer protections, Trump has their back...not the vast majority of the American public. I oppose Trump with every fiber of my being.

I don't think it means though we defend the status quo in the leadership of the Democratic Party. I don't genuflect to the DNC, nor will I give in to the blackmail that it has to be our corporatists against theirs in the GOP will surely be elected. Like I said some posts back, if we elect the DNC establishment, and they have the complete power to control the party organizations at the top level... where is the motivation to reform?

Hillary would have loaded her cabinet with Goldman Sachs people too, or their ilk... she would have done more than fraternize with them. Bill Clinton gave us Wall Street people all over his Administration, and they helped grease the way for our financial troubles... the establishment DNC is most certainly part of the problem, remember those who lifted Glass-Steagall did so under Bill Clinton. The GOP is pro-corporate for the most part but not even Reagan went that far. Hillary certainly had just as close a relationship with Wall Street..... let's not believe in that area things would actually have played better. Works out great for corporate supporting Dems but not so good for the rest of us. Our ambivalence over supporting establishment Dems comes from their betrayal of core Democratic party values. Values that FDR proudly stood for. A day of reckoning is coming and Democrats , to retain their strength as a national party have to start strongly defending those basic principles instead of triangulating and co-opting. Or face a permanent fixture as minority party which would be a disaster for this country... not a joy as people like Ben here would have it.

But Trump is worse because his allegiance is to himself and to the powerful over the weak and he'll say anything...the danger is that he has unleashed a permanent alt right mark on the Republican Party. There already is a strong essence of ultra right sympathies among the base and as bad as it was when the religious right flooded into the GOP now having an open white nationalist wing... that can't be easily put away even once Trump is off the stage(and that itself is going to likely be the ugliest of processes).

We as a country deserve better than a choice between the lesser of two evils... but there is no doubt in my mind at best Hillary represented the lesser evil. Though a far more qualified and presidential one than the crap we got in the Cheeto Chronic Tweeter.
 
Hillary wants to sell a book. Some posting here would say, she is obviously in need of the money.;)

I'll pass.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2...guard-down-2016-election-memoir-what-happened


I quote:

Hillary Clinton has promised that she will be “letting [her] guard down” in the most personal book she has yet written: a memoir due out in September that will reveal her thoughts on last year’s US presidential election.“In the past, for reasons I try to explain, I’ve often felt I had to be careful in public, like I was up on a wire without a net. Now I’m letting my guard down,” writes Clinton in the introduction to What Happened, which was announced by publisher Simon & Schuster on Thursday.
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kallipolis said:
^Ah! but the guilt syndrome continues to haunt those who believed that by voting Trump they could exact revenge on Hillary Clinton for daring to fraternize with bankers, and their ilk....leading them to post here daily, their frustrations that had they been a little more focused on Trump's track record as a "business man", they would have avoided him like the plague.
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There are many Americans who think the government should be run like a business. Though if that's what they wanted, Trump was the wrong guy.
 
eastofeden said:
I haven't seen much evidence of any guilt...I see smug satisfaction instead.

Those same people STILL come here to bitch about Hillary..not much criticism of Trump at all..and some even praise him.
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And they ought to bitch about Hilary, because as long as the Democrats keep her in the limelight the party is going nowhere.
 
Sausy said:
We as a country deserve better than a choice between the lesser of two evils... but there is no doubt in my mind at best Hillary represented the lesser evil. Though a far more qualified and presidential one than the crap we got in the Cheeto Chronic Tweeter.
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We'll only ever get a choice between evils until we eliminate the election that truly counts, the money election.
 
eastofeden said:
One final whimper and I am officially checking out of explaining what happened.....

The bottom line...the narrative on Hillary Clinton was the karma of YEARS AND YEARS of the United States influencing elections all over the world....disinformation campaigns....with much success....

If you think Russia wasn't partially or wholly responsible for manipulating the dialogue and perhaps even much worse..you are sincerely naive.

It came home full tilt boogie to bite us in the ass. This isn't the first time either..just the most dramatic. When you had Liberals and Democrats sending out propaganda that showed Hillary's graveyard of dead bodies....and the people repeating it didn't even question it..they definitely helped Donald Trump in very real ways...

I hate to think of how many oppressive assholes we helped put in power...all over the world..and how many governments we helped overthrow....

Along the way....I might have even agreed with some of the people we helped overthrow...so I am not speaking as a saint.

Even with our flaws..I am very patriotic to the United States.

....and I have been VERY ANGRY at the people who didn't even blink or question what was happening....I consider that you all helped them. ...and if you repeated the false narrative...you DID help them in a very real way...

I am not going to be getting over it ever really...but like a million other things I have no control over...I will just live with it..knowing what happened....

I want to move forward now....

I will suggest one thing. If you want to move forward..adjust the narrative. 86 the bullshit. It will happen again....and next time...it may be the person you like. Close the Pandora's Box..get ALL the facts about someone..and please try to remember..there are no saints in politics.
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eastofeden said:
PS...one more thing..one more time...

They were NOT the same

They were NEVER the same...

NOT EVEN CLOSE

...not even a lesser of two evils scenario. One of them is experienced...and sane...'nuff said.

If you are a Progressive or Liberal or Democrat and you repeat this ever again...you are doomed to repeat the same mistake...assuming we are still here and ever get another chance.

You may not have liked her or agreed with her methodology or politics...but if you take a good look at who we got instead and you can't see a huge difference...you need an adjustment somewhere.
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Look, it seems not very obvious to you so allow me to say this, despite everything, I VOTED FOR HILLARY CLINTON. Same also for almost 90% of those who supported Senator Sanders during the primaries. She still lost.

Was it because of Russia? Was it because of sexism? Was it because of vast right wing conspiracy? Was it because she has private or public positions? Was it because of her extreme carelessness in handling security clearance where had others of not her prestige and status did the same will be certainly indicted? Was it because she ask campaign donations in among the rich elite rather than campaigning in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin? Heck, she even almost lost Minnesota. So what's what. So many questions but the answers are few. All I really know is she lost and we must move on and fight new battles ahead.

Let me leave the conversation with psychologist Bernard Weiner's theory of Attribution. he states that:

"When one succeeds, one attributes successes internally (“my own skill”). When a rival succeeds, one tends to credit external (e.g. luck). When one fails or makes mistakes, we will more likely use external attribution, attributing causes to situational factors rather than blaming ourselves. When others fail or make mistakes, internal attribution is often used, saying it is due to their internal personality factors."

Reference: https://www.learning-theories.com/weiners-attribution-theory.html

Had Hillary Clinton won, we would be hearing everything from, she: breaking the glass ceiling with more than 65 million cracks, conquering all odds, making history or whatever. But that didn't happen so instead we're hearing Russia, etc.
 
A copy of Hillary's new book, "What Happened'.


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A copy of Hillary's new book, "What Happened'.


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As soon as I heard she had a book coming out on this topic, I figured this was going to be good. Again, it's the title of this very thread; continue to blame everyone else but yourself.
 
MystikWizard said:
As soon as I heard she had a book coming out on this topic, I figured this was going to be good. Again, it's the title of this very thread; continue to blame everyone else but yourself.
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OOGA BOOGA!!!!!!

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Now she's blaming 39 problems, but a Hillary ain't one.

I would have marked this as "humor-satire" but honestly is is just sad.

Keep in mind this is just one sitting. Hillary and her supporters have many other reasons.



I would also like to point out that some of the things she complains about, they are things all candidates deal with. She also blames things (Google) that was shown that yes they did have a bias, but it was for her. It was found that if using Google or Yahoo, if you asked a question about Hillary "in a bad light" that the sites would then in turn, turn it around and suggest good things about Hillary.

Oddly she left out that she and The DNC elevated Trump to try and help her.




Just for fun what else has Hillary and her supporters blamed?


"Bernie Bros" - She "forgot" it was her job to get the votes, not for us to fall in line.
 
Re: Now she's blaming 39 problems, but a Hillary ain't one.

Would be intriguing if she ran again in 2020. I am sure she is considering it. Will be interesting to see if she, the DNC, the media, and her supporters learned their lesson or not. That is a pretty stubborn group.
 
Re: Now she's blaming 39 problems, but a Hillary ain't one.

From an outsiders point of view, she was the only one keeping the lunatics at the gate.
 
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