Hillary Clinton now seen as 'Risky Gamble' for Democrats [MERGED]

[evanrick]

lets hear some substance on why Hillary is stronger general election candidate.

 

[Alnitak]

lets hear some substance on why Hillary is stronger general election candidate.

She's qualified, accomplished, and right on the issues.

 

[evanrick]

She's qualified, accomplished, and right on the issues.

Shes incompetent. giving speeches to big banks is not accomplishment. flip flopping doesn't count as being right.

there is no substance just a 'narrative' that the mainstream media is desperate to create for HRC. so no, a narrative is not substance.

 

[Sausy]

As Alnitak knows, I don't like her personally but she served by all accounts impressively in the Senate from New York and was a decent Secretary of State. She's certainly as qualified and accomplished as many who sought the office have been. As for her being right on the issues, she's been on both sides of a number of them.

 

[Alnitak]

As Alnitak knows, I don't like her personally but she served by all accounts impressively in the Senate from New York and was a decent Secretary of State. She's certainly as qualified and accomplished as many who sought the office have been. As for her being right on the issues, she's been on both sides of a number of them.

Hillary is distinguished by her realistic ideas, particularly about how to deal with risk taking on Wall Street. She is also very concerned with breaking down barriers with respect to the pay gap and reforming the justice system. She isn't as strong on small donors but she has expressed a plan to get more small time donors to participate. She also isn't as strong about affordable college, which hurts her among younger generations. All I've seen so far is a plan to refinance loans, and that isn't good enough. Anyway all of these things could be accomplished even in a Republican Congress.

 

[frankfrank]

As for her being right on the issues, she's been on both sides of a number of them.

That beats the hell out of WHATEVER opponent she will have in fall (and, yes, "SHE" not "HE" will most likely be the one to have a Republican opponent in fall). Her opponent is virtually guaranteed to be on the wrong side of EVERY issue.

BREAKING NEWS, TOO: BLOOMBERG ISNT GOING TO RUN AFTER ALL!!

He could have very easily been a spoiler and gotten Trump into the oval Office.

 

[MystikWizard]

She's qualified, accomplished, and right on the issues.

Most importantly for women and Gay men, she has a vagina.

 

[Rolyo85]

Most importantly for women and Gay men, she has a vagina.

You really are intent on beating that dead horse into a bloody pulp, aren't you?

 

[kallipolis]

Most importantly for women and Gay men, she has a vagina.

So did the late Margaret Thatcher. There are few here who would have supported her political agenda.

 

[hotatlboi]

Most importantly for women and Gay men, she has a vagina.

This is about as dumb as the people on the right who say black people voted for Obama because of his race, when Kerry got 88% of the black vote.

 

[Sausy]

Hillary uses feminism to push her appeal to women, but without being hitched to Bill Clinton it well could be Elizabeth Warren, a far better person who certainly is as well qualified and capable. Hillary had a running headstart from her marriage to Bill Clinton.... she's a feminist who didn't earn so much as capitalize on her position to advance to the point she is in now. I don't think Senator Warren would push her sex as the primary reason for Democratic women to vote for her, either.

Don't forget it was Hillary supporters Gloria Steinem and Madeleine Albright that condescendingly ripped on young women for Bernie as doing it to impress young male Bernie supporters. And made the inference there was a special place in hell for Democratic women voters who did not go for Hilary(Albright did back off on that a bit shortly afterward, but still..)

And hotatboi, where else was the black vote going? To Bush? Of course not. The modern Republican Party just isn't competitive for the black vote, cosmetic attempts aside. The black vote(and Latino) were bigger factors though propelling Obama over McCain..96% for Obama (and significantly higher participation rate) compared to 88% for Kerry. There was more motivation to come out and Obama was a truly charismatic, exciting new voice on the scene(even won 43% of whites to only 41% for Kerry, also in greater participatory numbers) as well as 67% compared to 53% of the Latino vote.

 

[Benvolio]

The real risk of nominating Hillary is that Obama's prosecution of her for revealing state secrets will cause her to be indicted between the nomination and the general election. Dems like to ignore it, but it is not the Republicans doing it, it is Obama's Department of Justice. Perhaps they expect to end it with the Grand Jury refusing to indict, but it will always look like a political white wash.

 

[Kabluey]

Hillary uses feminism to push her appeal to women
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That's kind of like accusing Sanders of using democratic socialism to appeal to the poor. Hardly evil.

Both are making appeals to parts of the population, which is valid.

 

[rareboy]

The real risk of nominating Hillary is that Obama's prosecution of her for revealing state secrets will cause her to be indicted between the nomination and the general election. Dems like to ignore it, but it is not the Republicans doing it, it is Obama's Department of Justice. Perhaps they expect to end it with the Grand Jury refusing to indict, but it will always look like a political white wash.

Is this the fantasy that the Breitbarf crowd are going with these days?

 

[Kabluey]

Is this the fantasy that the Breitbarf crowd are going with these days?

They live in hope. Maybe they'll get to impeach Obama for lying about farting in the White House elevator or something.

 

[Sausy]

That's kind of like accusing Sanders of using democratic socialism to appeal to the poor. Hardly evil.

Both are making appeals to parts of the population, which is valid.

She plays up the feminism but as I have said a number of times before, were she never attached maritally and politically to Bill Clinton, she never would be in the position of being so close to the nomination of her party for the Presidency. She had a running start, springboarding from her convenient relationship with a man... as I have also said her allies have made sexist comments that say young female Democrats for Sanders are doing it to appeal to pro- Bernie young guys, that if they were thinking rationally rather than hormonally no way would they vote anyone other than Hillary... pushing the narrative women owe Hillary their vote. Hillary is a convenient feminist.... like on a lot of issues, she is who she says she is at the moment, but you need not look far for evidence otherwise.

As for Benvolio's narrative, good luck with that... I just don't think unless something earth shattering is in there somewhere, there will be any consequences except a reprimand for her recklessness in using a personal server. But those who think the Clintons are noble public servants always are the up and up and not looking to better than own position are hopelessly delusional in their own way. Because they are most certainly in it first and foremost for themselves.

 

[MisterB]

How does one prosecute Mrs. Clinton for using a private e-mail server while Secretary of State without also indicting her two most recent predecessors for the same "crime?" Or do they get a pass because they belong to a different political party? 'Splain that one to me Lucy!

Just about every politician has used his or her personal circumstances to further, and at times, derail their political ambitions and/or careers. As to the comment specific to Mrs. Clinton, perhaps it is because, other than Eleanor Roosevelt, no other former First Lady has demonstrated a proclivity to politics, let alone pursued such post-White House.

And really, isn't politics really more about who you know, rather than what? I think that's just how it goes sometimes...

 

[frankfrank]

I wanted to contact the Hillary Clinton campaign, but I can't find any way to leave a message there. Tips, anybody?

I wanted to suggest that, rather than Hillary stalling on transcripts (wherever they may even exist) of speeches or conferences with Wall Street, she SHOULD RELEASE what is available...even if no Republican does.

THAT WOULD MAKE HER "BETTER THAN THE REPUBLICANS."

No matter how much anything would show her cozying up to the Big Banksters etc., I have no doubt that the Republicans have done it even more. Of course that in no way gives her a pass.

 

[Sausy]

If she did tell the Wall Street crowd to "cut it out" is there any transcripts of a response, like "cue the knowing laughter?" We expect the GOP to kiss Wall Street's ass. We should expect better from Democrats. Not saying be anti- business, but not too chummy and reflexively responsive to while not addressing the concerns of those who don't have lots of money and perks to offer.

 

[Alnitak]

I wanted to contact the Hillary Clinton campaign, but I can't find any way to leave a message there. Tips, anybody?

I wanted to suggest that, rather than Hillary stalling on transcripts (wherever they may even exist) of speeches or conferences with Wall Street, she SHOULD RELEASE what is available...even if no Republican does.

THAT WOULD MAKE HER "BETTER THAN THE REPUBLICANS."

No matter how much anything would show her cozying up to the Big Banksters etc., I have no doubt that the Republicans have done it even more. Of course that in no way gives her a pass.

It is not difficult to find the general substance of the speeches. Bernie's campaign may just be mining for quotes, especially those taken out of context.

... [Clinton] spoke glowingly of the work [Goldman Sachs] was doing raising capital and helping create jobs, according to people who saw her remarks. [She] praised the diversity of Goldman’s workforce and the prominent roles played by women at the blue-chip investment bank ... She spent no time criticizing Goldman or Wall Street more broadly for its role in the 2008 financial crisis.

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The problem is, if Clinton releases the transcripts, Sanders and other progressive candidates could take even seemingly innocuous comments and make them sound as though Clinton is in the tank for Wall Street.

What Clinton said in her paid speeches