Home grown terrorists ... ?

[Telstra]

i think its a stupid conversation....
i've grew up with a bunch of guys that are considerate as being extremist but....
before 9/11 my neighbourhood was full of drug dealers...... after it was full of muslims that was thinking about there individual rights as a european citizen. At that date (also my friends) all of the european muslims were thinking about where they belong as an individual. wich is not a bad thing.....
i mean you shouldnt stress about what the difference are between people... but what bring them together.
my grandparents are pretty racist in there views but you cant judge them because they come from a different time.
the important thing is that me and my sister come from a place where we fight with people that are different but because of this we came together. and this is whats important.
there are always gonna be fascist idiots that dont change. the important is that you change the ignorant.
it dont matter if you are gay, muslim, straight, lesbian...... it matters that you have respect for all the diffirent vieuws in society...
not everybody as seen the struggle in being an indiviual ( hippies, punks,....)
as a society you should embrace the difference between people and learn to learn from each other.
start with being an individual.....and be free of this small minded vieuws thats whats important for me!
eurotrash forever! bruxelles-paris-a'dam-berlin-london c'est la vie!

When does political islam support individuality ?

 

[dingue]

dont consider the mass.....see the individual....
there are thousands of people in marrocco, libia, egypte, bhagrein,etc..... that fight for this stuff....
dont take it for granted.......
(dont feel special....they are normal people too that want to be them selfs.....its the same struggle the hippies , punks , gays did to make your life easy now)
i always feel bad because i have it so good i i dont have anything to fight for..... they need your support.....they do it for good justice

 

[LilBit]

Home Grown Terror IS A BIG ISSUE in the UK and Australia.
Obviously it's of little interest in the USA.

First off, it IS of interest in the US. Just do a Google search for "Peter King hearings," and you'll find more than enough info on the subject.

Unfortunately, that interest is largely misplaced: http://articles.cnn.com/2010-01-06/...tion-muslim-americans-anti-terrorism?_s=PM:US

(My friend Charlie, one of the authors of the report mentioned in the CNN article, has a forthcoming book on the subject.)

 

[Telstra]

Re: Home grown terrostists ... ?

My point is that a home grown terrorist should die for their crime. On that we agree and that was also my point. That's one of the issues here - should a home grown terrorist die for their crime. McVeigh unquestionably deserved the death penalty. I don't think anyone could disagree with that even those opposed to the death penalty. Some crimes deserve it. He was considered a threat to the entire country and that was the one of the determinants in quickly executing him.

So that's point and that's my answer to your question "What is your point?"

Is my answer clear enough?

Yes, Very clear. Thanks for the clearness.

 

[BostonPirate]

Re: Home grown terrostists ... ?

My point is that a home grown terrorist should die for their crime. On that we agree and that was also my point. That's one of the issues here - should a home grown terrorist die for their crime. McVeigh unquestionably deserved the death penalty. I don't think anyone could disagree with that even those opposed to the death penalty. Some crimes deserve it. He was considered a threat to the entire country and that was the one of the determinants in quickly executing him.

So that's point and that's my answer to your question "What is your point?"

Is my answer clear enough?

he also voluntarily gave up his right to appeal the death sentence he received. That is why he was killed so quickly

 

[EwanSF]

They can protest all they want but religious message should be banned.
Extreme messages should be banned.

Fact of the matter is, you can't stop someone from saying what they want, you can stop yourself from listening though. What you're advocating is censorship and state repression. In the eighties, if you were sick of the sight of neo-nazi rallies, you sent the anti-nazi league round to kick their cunts in. You can't legislate on it though, that's how you end up with a police state.

Edit - Insitment to murder is a different issue though. If you do have someone dirctly demanding the death of people at religious sermons, protests, whatever, get them tae fuck. Other than that, it's a free country.

 

[dingue]

i still think its a shit discussion..... ( come to bruxelles - paris- a'dam)
so its better to have a Catholic indoctrination ?

 

[Telstra]

Fact of the matter is, you can't stop someone from saying what they want, you can stop yourself from listening though. What you're advocating is censorship and state repression. In the eighties, if you were sick of the sight of neo-nazi rallies, you sent the anti-nazi league round to kick their cunts in. You can't legislate on it though, that's how you end up with a police state.

Edit - Insitment to murder is a different issue though. If you do have someone dirctly demanding the death of people at religious sermons, protests, whatever, get them tae fuck. Other than that, it's a free country.

oh ok, thats how it works.
why don't the Europeans/British do something similar ?

 

[Telstra]

i still think its a shit discussion..... ( come to bruxelles - paris- a'dam)
so its better to have a Catholic indoctrination ?

I would ban catholic baptism/christening until the kids becomes adults.
Then they can baptize or cut their foreskin or what ever they like.

 

[dingue]

you should realize that this lost children are doing the same struggle like i did with my che guevarra t-shirts

they are looking for identity..... its not because they have an other religion that they are terorists.

in my neighbourhood i've seen the change after 9/11....
ok its not for the good. but still its about youth of today finding there place in society....
our parents did this struggle for us.... so dont judge the people that have to do it for them selfs.
the only way life will change for good if you let the youth fight there battles. and its a good one.
dont take a good thing away because media feels its a threat. (in europe i feel its not anymore about religion or countrys its about individual freedom)
and you should let the kids fight there battle..... its about freedom not about laws!
its good that this questions are being answered in a society that my parents dont understand because they never seen this diversion between people.
the difference between people will bring them together in the end. believe me.
rich people will be rich people.....and the poor can only fight for freedom and equal rights!
(its not about religion , sexual orientation , .....) ITS ABOUT WHATS RIGHT!

 

[dingue]

and btw we dont know what our secret service is doing......

 

[EwanSF]

oh ok, thats how it works.
why don't the Europeans/British do something similar ?

That was the way it worked here, that was what I was saying. You can't physically attack muslim protesters though, it's not the same as beating up nazis. That'd be "racist." If you kick the shit out of someone, you had better make damn sure they're the same colour as you. We live in rational utopia.

 

[EwanSF]

i still think its a shit discussion..... ( come to bruxelles - paris- a'dam)
so its better to have a Catholic indoctrination ?

Indoctirnation of children into any faith is child abuse. They're to young to understand the concepts, and threatening small, emotionaly unstable, highly suggestable people to notions of eternal torment is a fucking crime as far I'm concerned and it really should be.

 

[dingue]

today i was in antwerp and i had a conversation with a old school jewish guy when i was doing my shopping and waiting in line to pay.
he was telling me a story blabla but i realized that he used the word indoctrination as a positive thing which was quite strange for me.

the 2nd thing i was thinking about was last xmas my parents was in egypte on holiday so we didnt have the dinner family stuff. i told this to my neighbors the day before and they organized a big dinner for me just because they taught i was left alone by my family. i had the best time with them......(muslim xmas could you imagine)

for me personally i never saw big difference between me and my moroccan friends. because we both teach each other bad stuff. ( why you listen to your father? , why your sister has to be in the house?.....)

its not because politics dig holes between people that you cant respect them.
in the end we are all the same we want simple "free" lives and want to understand each other.

 

[Telstra]

today i was in antwerp and i had a conversation with a old school jewish guy when i was doing my shopping and waiting in line to pay.
he was telling me a story blabla but i realized that he used the word indoctrination as a positive thing which was quite strange for me.

the 2nd thing i was thinking about was last xmas my parents was in egypte on holiday so we didnt have the dinner family stuff. i told this to my neighbors the day before and they organized a big dinner for me just because they taught i was left alone by my family. i had the best time with them......(muslim xmas could you imagine)

for me personally i never saw big difference between me and my moroccan friends. because we both teach each other bad stuff. ( why you listen to your father? , why your sister has to be in the house?.....)

its not because politics dig holes between people that you cant respect them.
in the end we are all the same we want simple "free" lives and want to understand each other.

Well, that is a good news story.
It is all about respect, freedom and not force religion into people's throat.

But religion seems to want to convert people. Especially Christianity and Islam.
The result is clear, Christianity and Islam are converting people.

Hopefully in the future, religion is just a private thought like spirituality is.

 

[dingue]

i still think its really strange that ozzies and usa is judging the european way....

 

[Telstra]

At this point, the issue has less and less to do with Islam and the Middle East, rather disaffected young men in Europe who are extremely frustrated at not fitting in/being accepted there.

The kid in Portland, the guy with the Times Square truck, and the Nigerian underpants guy were more disaffected loners (mentally ill) egged on by others.

When did the mentally ill had killed so many people and create fear everywhere?
The evidence is there. They used political religion and practice political religion. Religion is to blame.

 

[EwanSF]

Yeah, I don't see any disaffectedd kids of any other religion trying to blow themselves up on planes. I'm not saying that it doesn't play a part man, but Religion is the main driving force.

 

[EwanSF]

My point was that it's not really about religion, that's a proxy for (unaddressed) racism and social problems.

But once again, it's a proxy that offers a peachy afterlife, with virgins to fuck and such.

 

[dingue]

religion is not to blame......