Homophobic bullying causes another gay boy to kill himself

[MoufOfKhaos]

I do know how deep depression goes. I'v been suicidal at certain points in my life but somehow I survived. The only way to make it to the other side is to make it through trial and tribulation. Life isn't always easy and sometimes things get very dark but part of the rite of passage is braving the fucking storm and earning your place in the world. Committing suicide is cowardly and shows that they don't have the will to face challenges.

You're brainless to think such a thing, considering even you, your highness, even admit to being suicidal. You think you've got balls because you somehow weathered the storm and are now okay with yourself, but not everyone is able to go on like it seems you were, in the face of an overlaying doubt placed upon themselves by cruel people who persist on being demons. And how sad is it that people that have been at the lowest low and would be able to understand from experience are now joining the chorus of those bullies that want to make things hell on earth for others.

You're the type that makes me wonder why I bothered to survive my own suicide attempt. Maybe it's to say with certainty that you and your ilk are full of shit.

Canning the prose, another part of the so-called rite of passage is helping others stand up without knocking them down for not being the person you want them to be. Something you clearly forgot on that pedestal. It's you we could use less of in humanity - those who thumb their noses down at those they perceive to be too weak to give two shits about.

 

[Telstra]

Children or no children, if you are ignorant enough to take your own life then you have no place among humanity.

You watch too much horror show.
Stop immediately. Its not good for you.

Children brains are not fully developed. They need adult supervision.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

while nothin change

so call _ straight world- killin umselfs at a happy pace world ova
while killin everythang around um

ans if not quit live is gon dead from live wot many fa ages already
fa shame is da face of many plots wot keep da shit hosin out their moron stoopid faces

so internet 2 ans 1 no figa da ass on their face world ova

ya butt where shit shoot out ans not all crap like lot plot lands no even figa

as alway is most awe da represents of world plots wot manage figa out nothin fa century afta century

there go

any media folk world ova read this wot face bigga then da planet try shut up fa bit or say somethang worth all da death of ages ta listen too

thankyou

Hey just delcare all humans females

ans get on with it

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

children is label giv ta humans of cultures full of shit

when shit is da food of centurys

from tits ta da pile a crap wot keep um morons of shitstoopid twats

there go

ans if plot lands wot parade their little folk ta sell umselfs as da next toons ta continue ta great fuck ups

ans populations keep da same shit run

hey

welcom next speices

thanyou

 

[FuryOfFirestorm]

Those kids give up theirselves it sounds harsh but I didn't whine when I got my daily beating I broke 2 ribs in school and I got bullied and teased all the time

Hey, look what I found!

My life sucks the guy I told I was gay told me he couldn't be friends with me. I'm thinking more of committing suicide I can't handle this.

 

[MrRochesterNY]

This thread does not bring out the best in a number of JUBbers whom (I thought) I had come to respect. It is as sad to read some of the responses here as it is to read about another person driven to suicide by the behavior of his fellow humans.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

fa twat insitutions of all lands

if a folk suicide cause soicety< a thang not invent yet by great over stuff turkey lands

1 it fall on all land da failure
2 if a folk go hey fuck this think retire dat anotda thang

since planet ans all life is less cause of MAN
hey noone give fuck anyway

so go do sumthang

if folk stuff up their butt their own self ans titles ans papa from crap disenser universtys ans CO

go find pic of wot human look like or visit lot a locals wot got um
wot amazin around fa eons
ans nothin got discova

INK BLOTS is wot run da show
hope ya recova ans

has nice day

thankyou

 

[dangerguy]

Obviously there are so many factors regarding these things, but I wonder if, in a way, some of the simpler aspects are being overlooked because of this.

Specifically, the bullies themselves. Perhaps punishments against them should be more severe? Thankfully I never had to deal with bullying or anything when I was at school but it's my understanding we still live in a world where many schools all around the world try out the good ol' "Well, we should feel sorry for the bully because they are obviously acting out due to the fact that they have an unhappy life themselves" etc. I can imagine it would be infuriating for a bullying victim to hear something like that from a teacher/councillor/whatever but it seems to happen a lot. Why should they (the victim) give a shit? A lot of people have unhappy home lives, but it doesn't always make you into a bully.

IMO, bullies in general (not only specifically homophobic ones) need to be dealt with more severely and made examples of. It may not be a perfect world full of sweetness and light but children do not deserve to spend all those years of their lives at school feeling scared, victimised or otherwise. It is not acceptable. People who physically, mentally and/or verbally harrass others are scum. End of.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

Obviously there are so many factors regarding these things, but I wonder if, in a way, some of the simpler aspects are being overlooked because of this.

Specifically, the bullies themselves. Perhaps punishments against them should be more severe? Thankfully I never had to deal with bullying or anything when I was at school but it's my understanding we still live in a world where many schools all around the world try out the good ol' "Well, we should feel sorry for the bully because they are obviously acting out due to the fact that they have an unhappy life themselves" etc. I can imagine it would be infuriating for a bullying victim to hear something like that from a teacher/councillor/whatever but it seems to happen a lot. Why should they (the victim) give a shit? A lot of people have unhappy home lives, but it doesn't always make you into a bully.

IMO, bullies in general (not only specifically homophobic ones) need to be dealt with more severely and made examples of. It may not be a perfect world full of sweetness and light but children do not deserve to spend all those years of their lives at school feeling scared, victimised or otherwise. It is not acceptable. People who physically, mentally and/or verbally harrass others are scum. End of.

Planet punish enuff
whole populations still gettin punish ans just cause born
ans folk invisble ta world cause

is of lot ways ta empty da loony house of MAN ans close down da crazy hosptial of cultures not a jot change

SSSSH"

so any useless folk of worlds menatl institutions pop in ta jack off a few
HEY WAKE UP!!!!!!!!

 

[Telstra]

Depends on the age of the child. I know plenty of 14 year old who are much more intelligent than most adults I know as in rational, understanding, and very aware of what situations mean. Just because a few are a bit slow does not mean other children out there are not very mentally advanced, there are ton of kids who get bullied, only a handful actually commit suicide over things like this.

When i was in my 20s, i was quite dumb. ;

 

[asu1117]

There is so much fucking ignorance on display in this thread that all I can say is..

Really, sometimes I'm amazed at the utter lack of critical thinking some people demonstrate.

 

[FuryOfFirestorm]

As someone who struggled with suicidal feelings (due to bipolar disorder and being molested), I'm appalled at some of the ignorant assholes on here saying the victim should have stopped being a wimp and "manned up".

Yes, telling the victim to "man up" totally solves the problem! Just like how telling gay guys to "man up" cures their homosexuality! Thanks so much, you soulless motherfuckers!

 

[eddielee]

Common, dumb, and destructive opinions, that cause bullying to flourish.

1. "That's just what kids do."----Such a statement implies that bullying is an acceptable part of growing up and nothing can be done. It is not acceptable behavior and something should be done about it.

2. "It's the victims fault if he can fight and handle bullying".----This statement always makes me furious. Blame the victim and the bully doesn't have to change his behavior. The bully is the problem, not the victim. Victims can learn ways to cope with bullying, but it does not remove the problem.

3. "The way he walks, talks, or dresses, causes him to be bullied"------This is a common attitude. If he or she would just be like the rest of us, there would not be problem.

The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Behind every bully is an ignorant parent or adult. The child adopts the ignorant attitude of his or her parents, and spreads bullying among other kids.

 

[eddielee]

As someone who struggled with suicidal feelings (due to bipolar disorder and being molested), I'm appalled at some of the ignorant assholes on here saying the victim should have stopped being a wimp and "manned up".

Yes, telling the victim to "man up" totally solves the problem! Just like how telling gay guys to "man up" cures their homosexuality! Thanks so much, you soulless motherfuckers!

You hit the nail right on the head. I totally agree.

 

[refujiunderground]

Okay for one, if you are not out then get off the pedestal... and stop saying that people need to be better or stronger. And you don't know anything about me. Let me explain one thing... bullying has long term effects. I knew someone who took their own life. So saying they should have been stronger or had more balls shows you don't understand the long terms effects of it.

And are you even out? You're 21 or 22 years old right? Please stop saying you've experienced it all. Being bullied for being gay is far worse then being bullied for being skinny. I've experienced both. I've experienced many kinds of bullying, but nothing compared to the bullying about being open about my sexuality.



You don't honestly know the psychological effects of bullying on LGBT students. LGBT students experience a majority of the bullying and most suicides are linked to the LGBT community. That's a big problem.

well, you're not understanding me, dude. look @ it like this. bullying is wrong. i totally agree. bullies are fucked up people. i agree with that. you have kids getting bullied for all different sorts of reasons. some kids get bullied for being skinny, some kids get bullied for being short, some kids get bullied for being gay. either way, no matter what the kids are getting bullied over, it's plain wrong.

but let's be realistic here, bullying unfortunately is part of what happens when people interact and socialize with each other. we're in a world where people pretty much boost themselves up in putting others down. it's a part of life. it happens everywhere from america to tahiti. it's just like crime. you can't escape it.

we can make all sorts of laws, sanctions and etc. do you THINK it's going to change anything? if you say yes, then you're kidding yourself. people WILL be people. it's that in our culture. america always condones the bully mentality. that's just the way it is. this country likes to promote bullying other countries, bullying tax payers, and the whole nine basically forcing people to live their lives in a certain way. sadly this whole country's history is based off of that

in no way am i saying that i condone bullying in any shape or form. i am NOT a bully for having this viewpoint and no, in no way am i blaming these kids for the situations they are in.

now as for these kids. what can we do to keep them from killing themselves? you know, should we start intergrating lgbt students into separate schools for themselves like how new york city some years ago where lgbt students were getting bullied as well, beat up, victims of hate crimes and etc? what can we do to solve the problem? to me, either way, we're talking about the kids here. forget the bullies. what solution do you have to keep these kids from killing themselves? i think it goes beyond bullying, man and even if we focus on the kids that are killing themselves over getting bullied. what about those that are just killing themselves over different reasons such as not being able to accept that they're gay, being rejected by their family and loved ones, and etc? we can't single out those kids that are getting bullied and exclude everyone else.

me personally, we should look @ this as an issue with the kids. we have lgbt support groups. we have centers. we have shit to pretty much be a support system for these kids. you know because i honestly don't know what solution we can do because the whole "it gets better" campaign is pretty much saying the same shit i'm saying. the whole idea is pretty much "things might be hell now but you have to hold on because things will get better". what else do you want them to do?

keep this in mind as well. if you're thinking about making laws against bullying lgbt students then there will be court challenges made about how come there's no laws against bullying period. then they'll have to go into the definition of bullying and etc. people will just simply get annoyed and looking back at these kids wondering what's wrong with them. i'm just being real here.

 

[fetaby]

but let's be realistic here, bullying unfortunately is part of what happens when people interact and socialize with each other. we're in a world where people pretty much boost themselves up in putting others down. it's a part of life. it happens everywhere from america to tahiti. it's just like crime. you can't escape it.

You're half way there... True that we can't escape it. False nothing can be done about it.

You do realize that just a few centuries ago (and still to this day is some places) it was accepted that some people OWNED other people? That has changed. If this type of behavior was attempted today the outcry would be immense.

SO, behaviors that are accepted can and do change. But the only way that happens is if we accept that it is possible and then proceed to make the changes around us. Continue sticking up for that person you see being bullied.

There's a lot of talk in this thread about people needing to grow balls. That's true. But it's not the victims of bullying that need 'em. IT's the silent majority that allows this harassment to continue. There is a serious lack of balls in the world.

It's so very easy to agree that harassment is wrong, but the lack of testicular fortitude within the general population is egregiously lacking.

we can make all sorts of laws, sanctions and etc. do you THINK it's going to change anything? if you say yes, then you're kidding yourself. people WILL be people.

It worked for murder. There are far less murderers than there are people who are willing to bully someone if they think they can get away with it.

It worked for sexual harassment, which is now a punishable crime.

It worked for terroristic threatening, a punishable crime.

It worked for stealing, a punishable crime.

It worked to abolish slavery, a punishable crime.


The moment you give up the idea that nothing can change is the moment you get left behind. If there is one constant it is change, and that includes people.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

how folks own culture ans etc ans lot ectra affect folk

may no visble be

ans so on
" SSSH"

gah!

but say ( adults ) < wen it invent all ova world
-wot word fa cretin dog shit?-
" wot kind a dog? "
urm skip dat bit

but point in one direction
" but how they know cause no got map ? "
yeah hard innt
" ooh well think a sumthang next round "
yeaaah

thankyou

 

[fetaby]

It's funny, the knuckle-draggers said the same thing about racism and sexism 50 years ago. But through activism the situation has changed drastically. Will prejudice and discrimination ever be totally eliminated? Probably not. But can we make meaningful change? You bet!

Maybe refujiunderground isn't familiar with the many (fairly-successful) civil rights movements that have transpired throughout the world's history. It wasn't that long ago that blacks sat at the back of the bus, women couldn't vote, and gays were thrown in jail.

Yeah. It's amazing just how much history gets glossed over when people want to make an excuse for why they don't have to change their thinking or view things from a more whole perspective.

Which is why if I had to compare bullying to anything it would be crime. It's only a matter of time until we do have laws stating what does and does not constitute harassment.

If only we could get Wheaton's Don't be a Dick rule on the books.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

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dat one any land can figa

amazin wot world cultures recipe book hold
" O kay "

any way worlds got theore new toys so
can text da figarins each othda
" ans make sure jump ova da cracks "
wot growin
" ans not folks cracks "
unless
" is dat "
yeah

defo world health organs no much ofs organs

anyway

nice typin ta da wall

thankyou

 

[refujiunderground]

It's funny, the knuckle-draggers said the same thing about racism and sexism 50 years ago. But through activism the situation has changed drastically. Will prejudice and discrimination ever be totally eliminated? Probably not. But can we make meaningful change? You bet!

Maybe refujiunderground isn't familiar with the many (fairly-successful) civil rights movements that have transpired throughout the world's history. It wasn't that long ago that blacks sat at the back of the bus, women couldn't vote, and gays were thrown in jail.

i'm very familiar with that so don't even go there with me on that subject.

the whole civil rights movement was based on equal rights for everybody across the board.

refujiunderground, I understand you are ignorant and misinformed on this subject.

1) Studies show that GLBT youth suffer more prejudice than any other minority in school. Kids displaying what's perceived as gay behavior attract more negative attention (including violence) than anyone else. Therefore, your argument that the bullying GLBT youth face is consistent with bullying that every other kid has endured throughout time is complete bullshit.

2) GLBT youth have less time to come to terms with their perceived "flaw" than most other students with their own perceived flaws. An overweight student usually has their entire lives to come to grips with their body and often have hope of changing. A Muslim student, for instance, has support from their family and community. GLBT youth suddenly face their sexuality usually at the onset of puberty and often feel they have no hope and usually have no support. Many adults, including school staff, even share the same hatred as the bullies do. If you don't think GLBT youth face a completely different and more severe problem than other perceived "undesirables" then you're sadly mistaken.

3) Studies also show that schools with GSAs and anti-homophobia polices have lower rates of homophobic bullying. So when you tell us we're kidding ourselves in believing it helps you're actually kidding yourself. Get the facts. You're wrong. It's working. The data shows it.

now back to you. it's funny how you call me ignorant when you are damn ignorant yourself. A BULLIED KID IS A BULLIED KID. why are you putting the lgbt kids that are getting bullied over everybody else that is getting bullied? DO YOU SEE WHAT I'M GETTING AT?

you know one thing that pisses me off about people such as yourself. you feel that people that happened to fit your brand (lgbt) are a much bigger priority than other people when really, nobody regardless of who they are should be going through that shit regardless of who they are. it's funny how you do this whole sympathy shit for a gay bullied kid but your ass has the nerve to tell the muslim kid that got bullied around 9/11 or the fat kid that gets bullied because they're fat to "man up" because they have a support system. how do YOU know if they have a support system or not? you know what as well. there's people outthere that use YOUR whole "gay rights, fuck everybody else" mentality against us and they look at people such as yourself to prove their point. you're just about as ignorant as the people you're against.

look man. i'm a black male. i don't know what skin color you are but put yourself in my position where i can't even go through certain neighborhoods for the color of my skin. yeah, i pretty much have to be prepared to face a lot of shit for how i look. i can't HIDE it. i hate to say this and you'll probably get mad with me but you CAN hide your sexual orientation. you DON'T have a choice when it comes to being gay but you do have a choice to run in or come out the closet when you want to. now try being black and gay for that matter or muslim and gay and etc. i can run in the closet but i can't hide my skin color. you telling doing that whole "gay kids are more of a suspect class than everybody else" shit is just stupid to me. when you want to CHANGE something, it should be for EVERYBODY. you saying that other kids that aren't lgbt aren't as much of a priority because they're not gay is just fucking wrong. just so you know, there's plenty of kids that kill themselves everyday. just because they're not gay doesn't make them any less than a priority than kids that are gay because they kill themselves. a tragedy is a tragedy and if it takes a kid to be gay to kill themselves just for you to suddenly give a shit, then you're just as fuck up as everyone else you say is fucked up.

if anything, everybody should be treated equally. yeah, i agree about things having to be changed to a certain extend where it ensures that people get equality such as affirmative action BUT on the flip side, let's not exclude all the other kids that get bullied because they're not gay. then that just makes US look bad.

i just think it's funny how you're going to call me ignorant yet you only care about the lgbt kids that are getting bullied as if there aren't black kids getting bullied in predominantly white schools in predominantly white communities or white kids getting bullied in predominantly black schools in predominantly black communities and etc. so much for proving a point.