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Homosexuality - What the fuck?

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I'm sure you guys have heard it all before, but I need to vent my spleen nevertheless -- why homosexuality sucks on a personal level; some random thoughts on the matter. *enters rambling mode*

First off, I'm gay, twenty-eight years old, and still a virgin. In my view there is nothing wrong with me, I never put much of an effort in socializing and meeting other people, and the whole gay culture just put me off.

The notion of having sex with another guy didn't even register with me until I started to genuinely look at gay porn. I was always drawn to the male physique (on television and not in real life) but never really found it to be desirable up-close and in-person. I can't even say that I was attracted to specific male actors. I just liked the idea of an athletic man with charm and charisma, (e.g. Bond or Indiana Jones) especially when they were in a tumultuous relationship with a woman.

It took me some time to grow out of this phase - moving past my fancy and admiration for the male physique, to actually seeing them having sex with one-and-other in downloaded gay porn. Make note, 'them', I never really had the urge to express myself sexually. Even in my sexual fantasies I never really used myself as one of the participants.

Anyway, since last year I've finally started to want to have the urge to have relations with another man, but I've gone so long without sex that I've begun to realize that I don't even need it at this point, I just want the company. To go out and do stuff, e.g. restaurants, museums, nature walks, whatever. But a relationship tends to be built on more than companionship, sex is also required.

But from what I've seen, when gay men come together, misfortune follows. HIV anyone? I mean, goddamn. And how about all the disgusting sexual practices that seem to thrive in the gay community?

I mean what the fuck is up with rimming? Borderline coprophilia anyone? Or what about anal sex? Even in xtube videos the participants don't look like they're enjoying themselves, and these are home movies. As if it's some sort of mass-delusion on the part of gay men world-wide that they should express their delight for anal sex, even though it sucks. Someone described it once as sticking your cock into pumpkin innards. Yum. And the long-term effects of anal sex aren't great either, anal incontinence, to the point where you're forced to wear a diaper when you're older. I mean, who would put themselves through that? I resent the fact that I'm even forced to talk about an anus when it comes to gay sex. I'm comfortable with my anus the way it is, and I don't feel to need to add another activity to my asshole.

And then of course there is the blowjob. Teeth, throat and tongue. Just seems like an ordeal. And I have an overactive gag reflex as well. So I won't be giving it either, not unless they want their cock dissolved by stomach acids. haha

Having said the above, I do want to share my life with another man. I want to be able to rely on someone else, and them on me. I want to sleep together in the same bed, and do stuff together.

So what are your thoughts on the matter? Are there guys here that don't have anal sex? What's it like in your country to be gay?
 
Sexuality is not about the sex act itself.

Lots of gay guys don't do anal sex or rimming, or even sucking cock. You just have to find what makes you comfortable.

And no, it's not easy.
 
You don't like the asshole, you don't have to be one.

"Disgusting sexual practices" and "HIV"? "Gay culture puts you off"?

You hate(d) being gay, most likely closeted. Still ashamed of your sexuality. Often wished you were straight. Possible from a religious family. Dislike effeminate males. Ugh, spare me.

I don't think you can ever have a proper relationship with someone if you are so misinformed, insecure and bitter. You have absolutely no idea what other gay people are like. Stop stereotyping us with the shit porn you watch. And quit pulling these "facts" out from your arse. See, your asshole has two functions. Both working very well in this thread.

Be an ameoba, who gives a fuck. You don't have piss on others. Have a relationship without sex! There are perfectly fine people not into anal and/or oral sex. After this thread and judging by your sparkling personality, they will not be into anal, oral and you.

<since this is your first post. I will be nice. If you really need advise and you would appreciate less judging and more sympathy, get a mod to move your thread to
Coming Out, Relationships & Bisex Talk. If not, welcome to Hot Topics. >
 
I'm sure you guys have heard it all before, but I need to vent my spleen nevertheless -- why homosexuality sucks on a personal level; some random thoughts on the matter. *enters rambling mode*

First off, I'm gay, twenty-eight years old, and still a virgin. In my view there is nothing wrong with me, I never put much of an effort in socializing and meeting other people, and the whole gay culture just put me off.

The notion of having sex with another guy didn't even register with me until I started to genuinely look at gay porn. I was always drawn to the male physique (on television and not in real life) but never really found it to be desirable up-close and in-person. I can't even say that I was attracted to specific male actors. I just liked the idea of an athletic man with charm and charisma, (e.g. Bond or Indiana Jones) especially when they were in a tumultuous relationship with a woman.

It took me some time to grow out of this phase - moving past my fancy and admiration for the male physique, to actually seeing them having sex with one-and-other in downloaded gay porn. Make note, 'them', I never really had the urge to express myself sexually. Even in my sexual fantasies I never really used myself as one of the participants.

Anyway, since last year I've finally started to want to have the urge to have relations with another man, but I've gone so long without sex that I've begun to realize that I don't even need it at this point, I just want the company. To go out and do stuff, e.g. restaurants, museums, nature walks, whatever. But a relationship tends to be built on more than companionship, sex is also required.

But from what I've seen, when gay men come together, misfortune follows. HIV anyone? I mean, goddamn. And how about all the disgusting sexual practices that seem to thrive in the gay community?

I mean what the fuck is up with rimming? Borderline coprophilia anyone? Or what about anal sex? Even in xtube videos the participants don't look like they're enjoying themselves, and these are home movies. As if it's some sort of mass-delusion on the part of gay men world-wide that they should express their delight for anal sex, even though it sucks. Someone described it once as sticking your cock into pumpkin innards. Yum. And the long-term effects of anal sex aren't great either, anal incontinence, to the point where you're forced to wear a diaper when you're older. I mean, who would put themselves through that? I resent the fact that I'm even forced to talk about an anus when it comes to gay sex. I'm comfortable with my anus the way it is, and I don't feel to need to add another activity to my asshole.

And then of course there is the blowjob. Teeth, throat and tongue. Just seems like an ordeal. And I have an overactive gag reflex as well. So I won't be giving it either, not unless they want their cock dissolved by stomach acids. haha

Having said the above, I do want to share my life with another man. I want to be able to rely on someone else, and them on me. I want to sleep together in the same bed, and do stuff together.

So what are your thoughts on the matter? Are there guys here that don't have anal sex? What's it like in your country to be gay?

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willilikeit said:
So you want to be with a guy but not do anything but handjobs?

GL finding a guy like that.
Perhaps the occasional pat on the shoulder would sweeten the deal for you? :P But seriously, how did you explore your sexuality? How did you arrive to the point where you wanted to have anal sex with another man? Presuming you're into anal sex that is. Didn't the notion repulse you at first?

T-Rexx said:
Sexuality is not about the sex act itself.

Lots of gay guys don't do anal sex or rimming, or even sucking cock. You just have to find what makes you comfortable.

And no, it's not easy.

I think the expectations of many gay men are based on the porno videos that they're exposed to online. Which is apparently the reason why bareback isn't generally shown in mainstream gay porn videos.

Hard-up1 said:
Actually, Bent, I don't think you are so awfully rare.

I've noticed more than a few guys posting, both here and on dating sites, that would clock in somewhere between frigid and platonically gay. They simply prefer the company of men.

I'm pretty much gay though. If I could get it up for a woman, I would have a relationship right now. (And a more successful life. haha)

There are also germophobes and others who simply can't get into anything that involves fluids.
The fluids aren't an issue. The particulate matter however ...

I wouldn't be too quick to write off your chances of finding a mate. To be sure, it will narrow you're already low odds (meaning, gay men are such a minority that the task is already daunting in the first place), but you would have others like you out there. Posting about it explicitly on a dating site will help you find those men.
I've been somewhat active on dating sites (in my country) but I've never really developed a crush on anyone. (As far as you can based on a picture.)

JUB, like most gay sites, is more peopled by hedonists with carpe diem mentality, so you'll likely find less sympathy here for your preferences (or lack thereof), but you also might meet just the guy you seek here, as the diversity DOES exist here.

In PM exchanges, I've had guys discuss the anal issue, especially the stress of the sphincter over time. Like the issue of bareback, a lot of hot-blooded guys like to look over inconvenient truths. The anal sex thing was discussed as an infrequent activity, even though the gay couple was a permanent relationship with children.

How did they find each other?

You are entitled to your preferences. Do not be ashamed to own them. Of course, in relationships, there should always be SOME give and take, but there are definitely other men with your sentiments.

I think I would be capable of adjusting my outlook within a relationship. Letting it grow. But not on the outset, which seems to be a problem. As everyone online appears to be rather geared towards sex.
 
I'm sure you guys have heard it all before, but I need to vent my spleen nevertheless -- why homosexuality sucks on a personal level; some random thoughts on the matter. *enters rambling mode*

First off, I'm gay, twenty-eight years old, and still a virgin. In my view there is nothing wrong with me, I never put much of an effort in socializing and meeting other people, and the whole gay culture just put me off.

The notion of having sex with another guy didn't even register with me until I started to genuinely look at gay porn. I was always drawn to the male physique (on television and not in real life) but never really found it to be desirable up-close and in-person. I can't even say that I was attracted to specific male actors. I just liked the idea of an athletic man with charm and charisma, (e.g. Bond or Indiana Jones) especially when they were in a tumultuous relationship with a woman.

It took me some time to grow out of this phase - moving past my fancy and admiration for the male physique, to actually seeing them having sex with one-and-other in downloaded gay porn. Make note, 'them', I never really had the urge to express myself sexually. Even in my sexual fantasies I never really used myself as one of the participants.

Anyway, since last year I've finally started to want to have the urge to have relations with another man, but I've gone so long without sex that I've begun to realize that I don't even need it at this point, I just want the company. To go out and do stuff, e.g. restaurants, museums, nature walks, whatever. But a relationship tends to be built on more than companionship, sex is also required.

But from what I've seen, when gay men come together, misfortune follows. HIV anyone? I mean, goddamn. And how about all the disgusting sexual practices that seem to thrive in the gay community?

I mean what the fuck is up with rimming? Borderline coprophilia anyone? Or what about anal sex? Even in xtube videos the participants don't look like they're enjoying themselves, and these are home movies. As if it's some sort of mass-delusion on the part of gay men world-wide that they should express their delight for anal sex, even though it sucks. Someone described it once as sticking your cock into pumpkin innards. Yum. And the long-term effects of anal sex aren't great either, anal incontinence, to the point where you're forced to wear a diaper when you're older. I mean, who would put themselves through that? I resent the fact that I'm even forced to talk about an anus when it comes to gay sex. I'm comfortable with my anus the way it is, and I don't feel to need to add another activity to my asshole.

And then of course there is the blowjob. Teeth, throat and tongue. Just seems like an ordeal. And I have an overactive gag reflex as well. So I won't be giving it either, not unless they want their cock dissolved by stomach acids. haha

Having said the above, I do want to share my life with another man. I want to be able to rely on someone else, and them on me. I want to sleep together in the same bed, and do stuff together.

So what are your thoughts on the matter? Are there guys here that don't have anal sex? What's it like in your country to be gay?

Totally agree. I can't figure it out. I am only attracted to men but I crave intimacy...not sex. I do however want to be intimate enough for he and I to touch each other all over.
I want so much to have a male friend. I believe it could get very passionate if we fell in love and then who knows what might happen.
I'm thinking unbelievable passionate sex.
 
You don't like the asshole, you don't have to be one.

"Disgusting sexual practices" and "HIV"? "Gay culture puts you off"?

You hate(d) being gay, most likely closeted. Still ashamed of your sexuality. Often wished you were straight. Possible from a religious family. Dislike effeminate males. Ugh, spare me.

Those are easy guesses though. At this point my family accepts that there is 'something' wrong with me, but none of them are willing to articulate it, which suits me fine, because I'm conservative just like my family, and don't feel the need to discuss matters of such an intimate nature with relatives.

I don't think you can ever have a proper relationship with someone if you are so misinformed, insecure and bitter. You have absolutely no idea what other gay people are like. Stop stereotyping us with the shit porn you watch. And quit pulling these "facts" out from your arse. See, your asshole has two functions. Both working very well in this thread.
But I'm not bitter, insecure or misinformed. I admit to being inexperienced, but that's about it.

Be an ameoba, who gives a fuck. You don't have piss on others. Have a relationship without sex! There are perfectly fine people not into anal and/or oral sex. After this thread and judging by your sparkling personality, they will not be into anal, oral and you.

Well, I was discussing the practice itself. It's like discussing a movie, some like it, some don't. Never a need to take it personal. Although I am curious to your experiences in this matter.

<since this is your first post. I will be nice. If you really need advise and you would appreciate less judging and more sympathy, get a mod to move your thread to
Coming Out, Relationships & Bisex Talk. If not, welcome to Hot Topics. >

Well, I wouldn't know about that. Perhaps it would be a better place for a topic such as this.
 
Well, I wouldn't know about that. Perhaps it would be a better place for a topic such as this.

Hot Topics is where you just want to rant and look for a fight. The other forum is a much better place. You saw my post. I vehemently disapproved of the things you posted. Other Jubbers might not be as "nice" as I am. But of course, you need not move a thread to get a proper conversation going.

My experience...As you can tell from my first post, I don't often get laid. I had one sexual relationship and one non-sexual one. The sexual one ended abruptly, the non-sexual one was strong but we parted ways because I was a douchebag. My love life is unremarkable. But I have not lost hope. There are many great people out there and I want to try and do my best to find the right one before I give up and moan and groan on a online forum.

Anal sex is not for everyone. Done right and you might like it a lot. I love it. And oral sex is indispensable in a sexual relationship for me. Oh look at me, going on like I am some whore. There are also many threads in the Health and Wellbeing forum that talk about this. At the beginning, I didn't know we could stick our peepee up our backsides. I didn't hate it; wasn't repulsed. I gave it a try and I love it. Oral sex freaked me out a little. The teeth and plaque... yuck. But I got over it as I grew up.
 
WELCOME to JUB!

WOW! The first issue is that you are a virgin and your knowledge is limited to what you have been told, not what you have experienced.

When I was your age, I was married to a woman and had a baby to care for. Ever tried eating a pussy? Ever smelled a pussy when it was that time of the month?

The fact of life is that sex is messy regardless if you are hetero or homo. Just get over the disgust and enjoy it. Get out there and experience for yourself how great sex is. I believe your attitude will change.

BTW, I am a bottom and LOVE it!
 
But from what I've seen, when gay men come together, misfortune follows. HIV anyone? I mean, goddamn. And how about all the disgusting sexual practices that seem to thrive in the gay community?

you haven't seen much then........](*,)](*,)

anyway a song for you

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csGVRSHqZOk[/ame]
 
You don't like the asshole, you don't have to be one.

"Disgusting sexual practices" and "HIV"? "Gay culture puts you off"?

You hate(d) being gay, most likely closeted. Still ashamed of your sexuality. Often wished you were straight. Possible from a religious family. Dislike effeminate males. Ugh, spare me.

I don't think you can ever have a proper relationship with someone if you are so misinformed, insecure and bitter. You have absolutely no idea what other gay people are like. Stop stereotyping us with the shit porn you watch. And quit pulling these "facts" out from your arse. See, your asshole has two functions. Both working very well in this thread.

Be an ameoba, who gives a fuck. You don't have piss on others. Have a relationship without sex! There are perfectly fine people not into anal and/or oral sex. After this thread and judging by your sparkling personality, they will not be into anal, oral and you.

<since this is your first post. I will be nice. If you really need advise and you would appreciate less judging and more sympathy, get a mod to move your thread to
Coming Out, Relationships & Bisex Talk. If not, welcome to Hot Topics. >
Everything I wanted to say.

co-sign.
 
But from what I've seen, when gay men come together, misfortune follows. HIV anyone? I mean, goddamn. And how about all the disgusting sexual practices that seem to thrive in the gay community?

I mean what the fuck is up with rimming? Borderline coprophilia anyone? Or what about anal sex? Even in xtube videos the participants don't look like they're enjoying themselves, and these are home movies. As if it's some sort of mass-delusion on the part of gay men world-wide that they should express their delight for anal sex, even though it sucks. Someone described it once as sticking your cock into pumpkin innards. Yum. And the long-term effects of anal sex aren't great either, anal incontinence, to the point where you're forced to wear a diaper when you're older. I mean, who would put themselves through that? I resent the fact that I'm even forced to talk about an anus when it comes to gay sex. I'm comfortable with my anus the way it is, and I don't feel to need to add another activity to my asshole.

And then of course there is the blowjob. Teeth, throat and tongue. Just seems like an ordeal. And I have an overactive gag reflex as well. So I won't be giving it either, not unless they want their cock dissolved by stomach acids. haha

Having said the above, I do want to share my life with another man. I want to be able to rely on someone else, and them on me. I want to sleep together in the same bed, and do stuff together.

So what are your thoughts on the matter? Are there guys here that don't have anal sex? What's it like in your country to be gay?

Where to begin. First, I'm afraid you are misinformed.

HIV is not a gay disease; it is often a disease of promiscuity. HIV has a window of time where it is highly highly active in a newly infected person. If that person is promiscuous during that period, they can infect other people before they even realise they are sick. Those might be the last people that person ever infects. Because, following that early infectious window, the immune system does make some efforts, and medication is then taken by the patient to shore up those efforts, and the person gets a rather cruel wake-up call about their sexual skills (staying healthy is a sexual skill.)

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoXAAEy6YQU[/ame]

There is an overlap between the "promiscuous community" and the "gay community." Why is that? Well, go back to the 1960's and 1970's. People were tired of the heavy hand of morality interfering with their natural desires. In polite company, women could even be considered "unmarriageable" and their lives "ruined" if the didn't preserve their virginity for their future husbands. It was not all that far from the morality police we see today in the middle east. Less extreme, but the same morals applied.

And people rejected that, gay and straight. Sometimes that rejection took on an enthusiastic fanaticism of its own. But for most people it was a healthy kind of freedom that let them recover from a bad relationship without their "lives being ruined."

So, gay men had for the first time a chance at freedom, a chance at rejecting the incorrect moral judgement of their parents' generation, a chance to express themselves openly in some cities. And they didn't know what to do with their newfound power and freedom.

All they knew is they could defy the heavy hand of homophobic morality, and win. They knew they wouldn't get each other pregnant, so sex was not being irresponsible to the next generation. And they thought they knew that any infection could be cured with a pain-free, trivial, trip to the doctor's office.

STDs were like getting the common cold: better actually, because at least you could get a prescription and didn't have to just tough it out like a cold. You'd no more say no to sex from fear of an easily treatable infection than you would lock yourself in the house for fear of catching cold. Well, they were wrong. And they were like kids in a candy store with their newfound freedom. Given the way HIV spreads in that window of infection, it didn't take many people fucking to excess to be responsible for a developing epidemic. If you work it back mathematically, it's entirely possible that just a few orgies cancelled on account of bad weather could have made an enormous difference.

Check out the documentary Gay Sex in the '70s to understand why those men were the way they were, and why we have different possibilities today.

But beyond promiscuity, what about the actual mechanics of sex, whether someone was promiscuous or not?
Disgusting practices? Hmm.
  • Rimming: I don't get it. It is an extreme practice as far as I'm concerned, with zero appeal. Yes I get that a person can wash his arse. But even improperly washed hands can transmit hepatitis after an ordinary trip to the washroom, never mind burying your tongue in someone's hole. The ass is built for it, but it's ridiculous to think that you can deal with those pathogens at the other end of the digestive tract. I understand how the sensation could be pleasurable, but something wet and slippery other than a tongue can achieve that.
  • Anal sex: fortunately the penis is not part of the digestive tract! And fortunately the arse is not constantly on the verge of taking a dump, and you can choose the timing for sex appropriately. The muscles are like most muscles in your body: you can train them for strength, and flexibility. Diapers are not "the price of anal sex." And while some people might mix pain and pleasure on internet home videos, I'm not one of them. I like to feel pleasure, and I, and many others, enjoy anal sex without tolerating pain at all. As far as hygiene, the surfaces of the skin are typically no more exposed to feces than after using the toilet. For additional cleanliness, my guy and I opt to shower after anal sex, and we're obviously not switching to blow jobs halfway through or something. Lastly, and fortunately, anal sex is optional. I don't need to have any kind of low-grade scat fetish to enjoy anal sex: I enjoy anal exactly because it is so incredibly rare to encounter anything other than clean, pleasurable sensations.
  • Blow jobs: they're great! Again, you don't need to play circus sword swallower to give a guy pleasure with your tongue. A clean penis is a joy to pleasure, and again it's not a penis I'm pleasuring, it's the guy I have cared about for 13 years.
  • Jacking off: Yeah, we do this together a lot...not enough time in the week to run a house, both work full time, walk the dog, make dinner that we just don't nuke or something, do laundry...sometimes if we've only got a few minutes a quick jack off is the best option.

And then we fall asleep in each others' arms like we have done for the last 12 years. The companionship is the core of our relationship. Any of those sexual activities, on its own is probably only optional, but it would seem like a waste of time if we didn't bring physical pleasure to each other as well as emotional. Why not?
 
Homosexuality is a blessing. If it would be a free choice, all guys would be gay. Now the poor guys live in a compulsory state of permanent sex war. Moreover sexually guys tune into each other like music. Their bodies match MUCH BETTER (!!!!!!!!!!!!) contrary to popular believe and who would need vagina when you have 2 cocks?
 
Wow...I'm almost out of breath just reading this thread, that being said, here is my thought's on your situation. What you have said about not having sex now, because you've done well so far without it reminds me of an old "Dear Abbey" column that I remember reading...An older woman wrote that she and her husband kissed and hugged but had been married for years and never saw fit to do the actual "Deed", and that frankly she could not understand why they should, they were perfectly happy as they were. Abbey replied that at this stage of their lives perhaps they really shouldn't ever have sex, because they would most likely kill themselves when they found out what they had been missing. I got a kick out of that then, and still think it too be pretty funny, and correct. If you've never had chocolate cake, but heard what everyone else thinks about it's taste, texture....etc, you might be really curious about that chocolate cake, but not ever having tasted it...you really won't miss it. Now, all that being said let me tell you this... I LOVE my chocolate cake and eat it every chance I get...and if you never tasted it, then I think you are not living life to it's fullest. Just my opinion, and btw...I'm 46, gay and not too hard too look at, and I am hiv free and healthy...just as most of my friends are. Make the right choices and be true too yourself...I wish you the very best for your future.
 
You don't like the asshole, you don't have to be one.

"Disgusting sexual practices" and "HIV"? "Gay culture puts you off"?

You hate(d) being gay, most likely closeted. Still ashamed of your sexuality. Often wished you were straight. Possible from a religious family. Dislike effeminate males. Ugh, spare me.

I don't think you can ever have a proper relationship with someone if you are so misinformed, insecure and bitter. You have absolutely no idea what other gay people are like. Stop stereotyping us with the shit porn you watch. And quit pulling these "facts" out from your arse. See, your asshole has two functions. Both working very well in this thread.

Be an ameoba, who gives a fuck. You don't have piss on others. Have a relationship without sex! There are perfectly fine people not into anal and/or oral sex. After this thread and judging by your sparkling personality, they will not be into anal, oral and you.

<since this is your first post. I will be nice. If you really need advise and you would appreciate less judging and more sympathy, get a mod to move your thread to
Coming Out, Relationships & Bisex Talk. If not, welcome to Hot Topics. >

This.

*Bows to Ram*

He has explained things in a much more positive way than I would on this thread in Hot Topics.

I feel so sorry for you.

Not just because you are some fucked up homo who is disgusted by himself, but as a human being.

Let me level with you sunshine.

You need some real good professional assistance to help you understand your asocialism and emotional deadness. Because I think the first problem is that you are so damaged that sex might as well be the last thing on your agenda at the moment. I think that both psychiatric and psychological help may be needed here, by the way.

Then you can get to work on why you think that homosexuality is disgusting. I think it is your fear of intimacy that is leading you to be revolted by the act of sex itself.

So as Ram has written.....

Be an asexual single cell organism for all any of us really care. Or sit in your darkened basement apartment in your parent's house and just fap away when you look at whatever gets you off as long as it is legal and between consenting adults.

Just don't impose your very ugly and distorted view of the world onto other homosexuals.

But if you accept on faith that there are more serious issues at hand here than where you put your cock and you want to change this, you should start by looking up the number of a therapist in your area who is experienced and has a positive outlook on homosexuality.

At 28, you aren't lost yet. Spend 2011 freeing yourself to be happy and fulfilled.

I would say that if you aren't just one more religious anti-gay troll out to make us all understand how disgusting homos are as sexual animals, you might want to use Coming Out and Relationships board in the future.
 
oh oh, here comes rareboy to destroy you LOL


Anyway, i agreed with what ram, rareboy and others said ...
 
What country are you posting from before we can understand your point of view ?
 
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