Homosexuals

[tonyboy]

Don't even mention the nature vs. nurture debate. I hate it! When someone asks you why you're gay, does it hit you to ask them why they are straight? A friend brought this up and I thought it was a wonderful point. But I've talked to homosexuals who believe they chose to be gay, so I still am confused.

This could be a good thread if some of the ^ didn't mock the question that Kaboom asked..

I have no idea why the OP is asking the question but I for one and willing to try to answer it as many of the above responders have tried to do...

No one chose to be gay Kaboom... it's just how it is..
A guy (or girl) does not wake up one day and say 'hey, I'd love to be attracted to people of my own sex'.. just like straight people don't wake up one day and say 'hey I want to be attracted to the opposite sex'.
It's nothing to do with nurture... it's just nature.

Lot's of guys I write to are unsure if they are gay or not... that is how it is with some guys... they like both girls and guys. Usually it's when they are in the late teens or early 20's that they are uncertain.
Yes, I've written to lot's of guys that like certain things about both sexes.
Those are the guys that are 'in between'... at some point they will usually chose one over the other... but not always.

I feel bad for those guys... only because they cannot decide what will make them happy... and the partner they choose may one day be left alone because that person decides he wants to be with the other sex.

Most gay guys know they are gay from an early age. Some guys go for girls early then realize that they are attracted to guys.
I've written to lot's of guys here that wanted to be with a guy but never could find a guy that wanted them.. so they opted for a girl... not for sex, just for compaionship... but they would rather have been with a guy..
It's not all about sex.. often it's about companionship.

Often gay guys just want sex... and there are any number of guys that would rather be with a guy but they don't want the sex deal... some gay guys actually want to be with someone on a long term basis...
and if they cannot find it with a guy they may turn to a girl..
it's complicated I know.

I always knew I liked guys.. others are not so lucky to know that right upfront.
What makes a guy gay? Well it's a question that I have no answer too.

But I know that I"m gay, knew it since I was old enough to understand what the attraction to my same sex meant. Means that I'm a homosexual. don't know why, just know that I am.
I was born that way.
Nothing my mom nor dad did could have changed me.

 

[thisisinteresting]

Because the testosterone hormone attracts me?

 

[Corny]

mod/admin baiting really isn't going to help this conversation continue kaboom. Apart from a mid-way derailing, it's been an interesting discussion and the opinions are rather interesting.

Feel free to continue the discussion, although the OP will no longer take part in it. I think we have been more than lenient with him, but his reactions only shows that he probably had no real interest in a real discussion ..

 

[StlKj]

I don't accept generalisations. I want as many personal opinions as possible. Éist do bhéal.

For a moment, you were entertaining. Now, you just come off as dismissive and arrogant. You're not truly hear to listen or understand; you're just here to stir.

Bored now.

 

[thisisinteresting]

Awesome, I was really tired of his attitude. I don't feel like there's anything left to discuss without his ridiculous posts though. We're gay, woohoo. We've all already wondered why at some point.

 

[StlKj]

Ah, he's gone.

So, let's ask why Corny is gay.

I think it's because he'd look better naked in my room that way.

 

[StlKj]

............ ah shucks, AND I was hoping to get you all excited!

Um, actually, you do that by just showing up in the thread.

 

[Yooper]

Edit


Don't get Corny mad by rejoining. This is not going to be pretty.

The discussion actually has merit but too bad it has to get derailed.

 

[StlKj]

And this time not only banned, but wiped out of existence.

Now, back to flirting.

 

[Yooper]

I like to think of Corny as the 'I am Invincible' guy from Goldeneye only one heck of a lot sexier.

 

[StlKj]

I like to think of Corny as the 'I am Invincible' guy from Goldeneye only one heck of a lot sexier.

If we're going with Corny in a Bond film, I'd rather think of him in those blue shorts Daniel Craig wore in Casino Royale.

 

[Curiosities]

What DOES Corny look like?

And boy, I think this kid got banned for being underage, he sounds like he's 13.

 

[StlKj]

LOL, If we can't have a discussion about the rhyme and reasons for homosexuality, then for all intensive purposes lets flirt!

Come here KJ .....

You have to love a man who knows how to get you wet.

 

[StlKj]

Wow. It's like a superball...it just keeps bouncing back.

 

[Yooper]

What DOES Corny look like?

And boy, I think this kid got banned for being underage, he sounds like he's 13.

Corny is very hot. I'd hit it big time.

If we're going with Corny in a Bond film, I'd rather think of him in those blue shorts Daniel Craig wore in Casino Royale.

Sounds good to me.

Although Naked Drunken Corny sounds more fun.

 

[yeeeaaahhh]

Well, as someone who has studied sexuality for over two years, I can give you a nice little rundown of the three most likely contributors to my homosexuality, and probably many of the people on this website.
#1: Immune response hypothesis. A woman's body detects the androgens in the fetal brain of a developing boy. These androgens are perceived as foreign invaders, and are thus attacked by natural immune response mechanisms, which in turn feminizes the fetal brain, and thus the chances of homosexuality go up. With each boy that a woman gives birth too, this immune response gets stronger, and thus the chances of homosexuality goes up by 33% per boy.
#2: Gay gene: There are some correlations with the Xq28 region on the X chromosome in men and the development of homosexuality, however the research is suggesting that this gene is not working alone to produce homosexuality, but rather it is just one of the many genes that contribute to homosexual sexual orientation.
#3: Bem's "Erotic to exotic" hypothesis: A boy is born who is more gender-nonconforming (i.e., feminine). The boy thus eroticizes the differences from his feminine self and the more masculine boys around him, and thus you get a homosexual.

No matter what the cause, whether it be one of the above, all of the above, or none of the above... I am gay, and I am happy. There is nothing that I can do to change it, nor do I want too.

Now, to address something else that's been brought up in this thread... the christian god does not actually disagree with homosexuality. Yes, the Bible does condemn homosexuality, but those passages are based off of a very specific context. For example, in Leviticus homosexuality is condemned. But you must take into consideration the reality that the Israelites were basically living as hunter-gatherers in an isolated society. Reproduction was essential to their survival, and a man who didn't have an interest in having sex with women could have been detrimental to their society. Thus, homosexuality was discouraged (by threatening eternal damnation, of course).
Homosexuality is again condemned in 1 Corinthians by Paul. Again, it is important to consider the context. That whole passage is Paul informing the Corinthians on how not to live their life... Women, don't put all your time in your appearance, and men, don't have sex with each other. Why was Paul saying this? Well, throughout the Bible christians have wanted to appear different than their pagan counterparts. Paul was living in the Roman Empire, and it was important to him and his God that christians did not appear to be like the Roman's. Roman women were very concerned with appearance, and put a great deal of effort into making themselves beautiful. Roman men were frequenting the city bathhouse and fucking their slave boys like rabbits. Paul didn't want the people of his religion to appear like the pagans. He wanted them to be set apart.
Today, we are not living in a society where reproduction is essential for our survival. It is not going to hurt anyone if roughly 4% of the population has no interest in men, thus the Leviticus passage no longer applies.
Today, there are no significant pagan religious out there where gay sex is a huge part of their culture and life, and thus the passage in 1 Corinthians no longer applies either.
What we can take from those passages is the general message: 1) Do what is best for your species and society and 2) set yourself apart from the "non-believers". The actual, literal words do not apply to us today.

So, why believe me? Well, like I said, I've been studying sexuality for two years now. I am a student at a very good university, majoring in biology and sociology. And on top of that, I was raised as a christian, and am minoring in scripture and theology. So, I do have an educated reason for saying these things.

Hope I helped you understand some things

 

[StlKj]

He is tanacious.

I'll give him that.

Don't give him anything else. You called him a fool and started his decline into madness.

Okay, he was probably already on the road. . .

 

[yeeeaaahhh]

So, I just realized that the guy is banned. That was a waste of my time

 

[StlKj]

Well, as someone who has studied sexuality for over two years, I can give you a nice little rundown of the three most likely contributors to my homosexuality, and probably many of the people on this website.
#1: Immune response hypothesis. A woman's body detects the androgens in the fetal brain of a developing boy. These androgens are perceived as foreign invaders, and are thus attacked by natural immune response mechanisms, which in turn feminizes the fetal brain, and thus the chances of homosexuality go up. With each boy that a woman gives birth too, this immune response gets stronger, and thus the chances of homosexuality goes up by 33% per boy.
#2: Gay gene: There are some correlations with the Xq28 region on the X chromosome in men and the development of homosexuality, however the research is suggesting that this gene is not working alone to produce homosexuality, but rather it is just one of the many genes that contribute to homosexual sexual orientation.
#3: Bem's "Erotic to exotic" hypothesis: A boy is born who is more gender-nonconforming (i.e., feminine). The boy thus eroticizes the differences from his feminine self and the more masculine boys around him, and thus you get a homosexual.

No matter what the cause, whether it be one of the above, all of the above, or none of the above... I am gay, and I am happy. There is nothing that I can do to change it, nor do I want too.

Now, to address something else that's been brought up in this thread... the christian god does not actually disagree with homosexuality. Yes, the Bible does condemn homosexuality, but those passages are based off of a very specific context. For example, in Leviticus homosexuality is condemned. But you must take into consideration the reality that the Israelites were basically living as hunter-gatherers in an isolated society. Reproduction was essential to their survival, and a man who didn't have an interest in having sex with women could have been detrimental to their society. Thus, homosexuality was discouraged (by threatening eternal damnation, of course).
Homosexuality is again condemned in 1 Corinthians by Paul. Again, it is important to consider the context. That whole passage is Paul informing the Corinthians on how not to live their life... Women, don't put all your time in your appearance, and men, don't have sex with each other. Why was Paul saying this? Well, throughout the Bible christians have wanted to appear different than their pagan counterparts. Paul was living in the Roman Empire, and it was important to him and his God that christians did not appear to be like the Roman's. Roman women were very concerned with appearance, and put a great deal of effort into making themselves beautiful. Roman men were frequenting the city bathhouse and fucking their slave boys like rabbits. Paul didn't want the people of his religion to appear like the pagans. He wanted them to be set apart.
Today, we are not living in a society where reproduction is essential for our survival. It is not going to hurt anyone if roughly 4% of the population has no interest in men, thus the Leviticus passage no longer applies.
Today, there are no significant pagan religious out there where gay sex is a huge part of their culture and life, and thus the passage in 1 Corinthians no longer applies either.
What we can take from those passages is the general message: 1) Do what is best for your species and society and 2) set yourself apart from the "non-believers". The actual, literal words do not apply to us today.

So, why believe me? Well, like I said, I've been studying sexuality for two years now. I am a student at a very good university, majoring in biology and sociology. And on top of that, I was raised as a christian, and am minoring in scripture and theology. So, I do have an educated reason for saying these things.

Hope I helped you understand some things

And vote for sexiest man in the thread goes to. . .

I can't help it. Brains turn me on.

 

[Yooper]

Well, as someone who has studied sexuality for over two years, I can give you a nice little rundown of the three most likely contributors to my homosexuality, and probably many of the people on this website.
#1: Immune response hypothesis. A woman's body detects the androgens in the fetal brain of a developing boy. These androgens are perceived as foreign invaders, and are thus attacked by natural immune response mechanisms, which in turn feminizes the fetal brain, and thus the chances of homosexuality go up. With each boy that a woman gives birth too, this immune response gets stronger, and thus the chances of homosexuality goes up by 33% per boy.
#2: Gay gene: There are some correlations with the Xq28 region on the X chromosome in men and the development of homosexuality, however the research is suggesting that this gene is not working alone to produce homosexuality, but rather it is just one of the many genes that contribute to homosexual sexual orientation.
#3: Bem's "Erotic to exotic" hypothesis: A boy is born who is more gender-nonconforming (i.e., feminine). The boy thus eroticizes the differences from his feminine self and the more masculine boys around him, and thus you get a homosexual.

No matter what the cause, whether it be one of the above, all of the above, or none of the above... I am gay, and I am happy. There is nothing that I can do to change it, nor do I want too.

Now, to address something else that's been brought up in this thread... the christian god does not actually disagree with homosexuality. Yes, the Bible does condemn homosexuality, but those passages are based off of a very specific context. For example, in Leviticus homosexuality is condemned. But you must take into consideration the reality that the Israelites were basically living as hunter-gatherers in an isolated society. Reproduction was essential to their survival, and a man who didn't have an interest in having sex with women could have been detrimental to their society. Thus, homosexuality was discouraged (by threatening eternal damnation, of course).
Homosexuality is again condemned in 1 Corinthians by Paul. Again, it is important to consider the context. That whole passage is Paul informing the Corinthians on how not to live their life... Women, don't put all your time in your appearance, and men, don't have sex with each other. Why was Paul saying this? Well, throughout the Bible christians have wanted to appear different than their pagan counterparts. Paul was living in the Roman Empire, and it was important to him and his God that christians did not appear to be like the Roman's. Roman women were very concerned with appearance, and put a great deal of effort into making themselves beautiful. Roman men were frequenting the city bathhouse and fucking their slave boys like rabbits. Paul didn't want the people of his religion to appear like the pagans. He wanted them to be set apart.
Today, we are not living in a society where reproduction is essential for our survival. It is not going to hurt anyone if roughly 4% of the population has no interest in men, thus the Leviticus passage no longer applies.
Today, there are no significant pagan religious out there where gay sex is a huge part of their culture and life, and thus the passage in 1 Corinthians no longer applies either.
What we can take from those passages is the general message: 1) Do what is best for your species and society and 2) set yourself apart from the "non-believers". The actual, literal words do not apply to us today.

So, why believe me? Well, like I said, I've been studying sexuality for two years now. I am a student at a very good university, majoring in biology and sociology. And on top of that, I was raised as a christian, and am minoring in scripture and theology. So, I do have an educated reason for saying these things.

Hope I helped you understand some things

As I said, this thread has merit. It should be continued, but probably in another venue.

Yeahh, please copy your response, as I believe this trainwreck as it stands will have to be vaporized and soon. We'll start this again in a couple of days after Mr. Corny vanquishes the opponent.