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"Hope and Change" are just words

Jack Springer said:
Sorry, no intention here to misquote you or anyone else -- by shortening the quote I was merely trying to focus on part of the post and not increase the length of the thread.

The thought of being in the same room with Lizohontas .... gives me the creeps.
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Oh.

But you don't have a problem placing me as a marcher in the HRC contingent with "Lizohontas" as "Grand Marshal" of a Gay Pride event?

I see how you are. :cool:
 
centexfarmer said:
Oh.

But you don't have a problem placing me as a marcher in the HRC contingent with "Lizohontas" as "Grand Marshal" of a Gay Pride event?

I see how you are. :cool:
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Now, now. If we are gonna use any derogatory pun, it is "Pokahotass".

Besides, Lizzie IMO is a total fag hag which is why gays love her. There's lots of gays at the Ivies with Harvard being #2 behind Yale.
 
I think a little historical perspective is in order. In 2008 the US was in a dark place. Eight years of Bush were winding up with two wars still raging, and imminent global economic collapse. People were losing their homes, losing their retirement plans, and sending their sons to war. The Bush administration characterized itself by campaigning with fear, and that become a weight around their neck: people were scared about the world. The world itself had grown wary of the US: how could the daddy of us all be so fallible, so mixed up that they invade nations without clear evidence of necessity; how could the greatest economy in the world make such terrible decisions that the whole system itself could be jeopardised?

Obama changed that. Obama showed the USA and the world that a black man could be President of a nation that would once have enslaved him. Obama showed the world that the American Dream, that American's can do anything they aspire to if they truly want it, was true. Overnight, the darkness in the US lifted, and the wariness of the watching world was turned to respect.

Has Obama made good on all his promises? Hell no, but what politician ever does? Is the US economy a failure? The recession may not be over, but the economy HAS grown - it IS in better shape than when Obama took the oath. Consider that the economies of the most of the world are struggling, and the US is a part of the world, whether they like it or not. The US is a part of the global economy, and not everything in the world is Obama's fault, nor does he have the ability to fix everything. The trouble with economics is that its only part science. The other part is human nature. Economics is about confidence, and the relentless browbeating of pundits that the economy is in a terrible state, that Obama is a failure, that business is strangled by Obama's Socialist agenda... its that nonsense that is helping subdue economic recovery, as much as anything else.

Healthcare reform was an election promise, and he did it, though watered down from what it could have been. DADT gone, as promised. Gitmo is, no doubt, one of those things he wanted to do but the technicalities and/or legalities are insurmountable.

Obama has said in his own words that he underestimated the politics of getting jobs done. Only a blind man would deny that Republicans have done their darndest to block him at EVERY step. Even the tiniest legislative decisions are labelled by his detractors as "nation destroying". Republicans have doubled the use of the filibuster compared to the previous admin.

So, in a global economy that is faltering around him, and in a political space where he is blocked and tackled at every turn, Obama has still got a lot of jobs done. Maybe not all the jobs he promised, but the odds are not in his favour. I believe Obama HAS brought positive change, even if we'd hoped for more. I believe he brought hope back to the US, and he certainly lifted the global perception of the US after 8 years of Bush.

Hope and Change? Maybe our expectations were too high, but we still got it.
 
maxpowr9 said:
Smot?

Where the F are you from? Are you implying "smāt?"
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:lol:

"Smot" is what it sounds like to this Texan when y'all try to say "smart."

;)

The only thing more pathetic is when Mass Yankees try to sound like they're from Texas.

The next time that I'm up that way let's take a drive to Leo-Minster and grab a slice. :p
 
LOL. I have a gal pal from Tejas and she always refers to me as a "Yankee" so I'm used to it. She even vows she will never date another "Yankee" again.
 
grindr quality is a little light tonight btw

just went down :(
 
maxpowr9 said:
LOL. I have a gal pal from Tejas and she always refers to me as a "Yankee" so I'm used to it. She even vows she will never date another "Yankee" again.
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Well, to be honest if I had a v-jay-jay, I wouldn't date you either. ;)

Yankees are good for fucking.

Anyone who ever said that the 'South shall never RISE again,' have never seen my wood when faced with a bare Yankee ass. :p


:lol:
 
andysayshi said:
I think a little historical perspective is in order. In 2008 the US was in a dark place. Eight years of Bush were winding up with two wars still raging, and imminent global economic collapse. People were losing their homes, losing their retirement plans, and sending their sons to war. The Bush administration characterized itself by campaigning with fear, and that become a weight around their neck: people were scared about the world. The world itself had grown wary of the US: how could the daddy of us all be so fallible, so mixed up that they invade nations without clear evidence of necessity; how could the greatest economy in the world make such terrible decisions that the whole system itself could be jeopardised?

Obama changed that. Obama showed the USA and the world that a black man could be President of a nation that would once have enslaved him. Obama showed the world that the American Dream, that American's can do anything they aspire to if they truly want it, was true. Overnight, the darkness in the US lifted, and the wariness of the watching world was turned to respect.

Has Obama made good on all his promises? Hell no, but what politician ever does? Is the US economy a failure? The recession may not be over, but the economy HAS grown - it IS in better shape than when Obama took the oath. Consider that the economies of the most of the world are struggling, and the US is a part of the world, whether they like it or not. The US is a part of the global economy, and not everything in the world is Obama's fault, nor does he have the ability to fix everything. The trouble with economics is that its only part science. The other part is human nature. Economics is about confidence, and the relentless browbeating of pundits that the economy is in a terrible state, that Obama is a failure, that business is strangled by Obama's Socialist agenda... its that nonsense that is helping subdue economic recovery, as much as anything else.

Healthcare reform was an election promise, and he did it, though watered down from what it could have been. DADT gone, as promised. Gitmo is, no doubt, one of those things he wanted to do but the technicalities and/or legalities are insurmountable.

Obama has said in his own words that he underestimated the politics of getting jobs done. Only a blind man would deny that Republicans have done their darndest to block him at EVERY step. Even the tiniest legislative decisions are labelled by his detractors as "nation destroying". Republicans have doubled the use of the filibuster compared to the previous admin.

So, in a global economy that is faltering around him, and in a political space where he is blocked and tackled at every turn, Obama has still got a lot of jobs done. Maybe not all the jobs he promised, but the odds are not in his favour. I believe Obama HAS brought positive change, even if we'd hoped for more. I believe he brought hope back to the US, and he certainly lifted the global perception of the US after 8 years of Bush.

Hope and Change? Maybe our expectations were too high, but we still got it.
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I'll take mediocre hope and faltering change over a delirious dash to depression.
 
chance1 said:
grindr quality is a little light tonight btw

just went down :(
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:sadface: /comfort

I posted what I did today already. I am a tad disappointed that people are trying to take this thread more seriously. You need to derail your threads more often to make them more fun.
 
Rolyo85 said:
Well said. Especially the part where the US is part of the world economy, and the EU is in even worse shape than the States. Obama isn't God.
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During election years people regularly expect the candidates to be God, just as far too many Americans expect the government to be like God -- and thus the Libertarian Party's objection to "the cult of the omnipotent State".
 
Kulindahr said:
During election years people regularly expect the candidates to be God, just as far too many Americans expect the government to be like God -- and thus the Libertarian Party's objection to "the cult of the omnipotent State".
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I would deject even the libertarian notion and come to reason this is why far more independents/unenrolled persons are popping up. Many people are realizing that no matter which party you vote for, they are both "more of the same".
 
maxpowr9 said:
I would deject even the libertarian notion and come to reason this is why far more independents/unenrolled persons are popping up. Many people are realizing that no matter which party you vote for, they are both "more of the same".
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If only we could get a critical mass sufficient to kill the two-party scheme.
 
Here's Pres. Hope & Change's latest ad - just saw it on ESPN's Sportscenter

BO hates negative ads - thinks we should have a positive discourse - yeah

 
chance1 said:
Here's Pres. Hope & Change's latest ad - just saw it on ESPN's Sportscenter

BO hates negative ads - thinks we should have a positive discourse - yeah

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Hope and change is no match for ambition and hypocrisy.Another reason though I voted for Obama(guess got the tingle up my leg too,but I'm fully cured now thanks)I don't respect him at all.The best thing he did was to fully re-evolve to a strong pro marriage equality position he espoused in 1996,when beginning his Chicago shyster backed political career.I do give him that he loves his wife and kids,but I guess he would cede that to Mittens too.

Not voting for Mittens either but progressives are as full of crap as the conservatives they despise.
 
^^^

Sausy, since the "tingle up your leg" has gone away -- there is still hope for you.

Don't throw your vote away -- the tingle up your leg may turn into a real ass biter in the next 4 years.
 
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