How can any gay man be a Republican?

[opinterph]

You need to get Informed man,most DEMS are actually socialists and try to pass off socialist programs in America,socialism is one step away from communism.

Just for clarity, please provide a couple examples of socialist programs that Democrats have tried to pass off in America.

 

[TX-Beau]

...you work from the inside to change them.Thats the proven way to make changes...


Better to work from within to change a political parties views to a more positive one and then get things done in the real world then to blindly continue to be the VOTE-LACKIES of a political party that just sees us as people to use in their attempt to get to garner more votes for themselves because they think we are dumb enough to believe the care about us.

…as the Republican party slides farther and farther into injustice, intolerance, and hatred…


How’s that workin’ for ya? You’re doing a bang up job there. I didn’t think it was possible for the right to get even more vile.

So you’re a lacky if you “work from within,” the Democratic Party, but you’re …what… if you “work from within,” the Republican party?

Patsy?

Dupe?

‘Phobe?

And no Louise, change almost always comes from without.

 

[Kulindahr]

Wow and the Demicunts actually like us?
Come one at least the Repubs are honest,where as the Demicunts simply use us as a cause to get voted in or in the case of Obama as a cause to stay in office,I mean comeone he waits til the Eleventh Hour(the year before election) and suddenly magages to get it to where Gays can serve in the armed forces openly....vote buying grab there if i must say so.

If you want to change a political parties views on you ,you do not do it buy bitching about them and slinging mud and hatemongering you work from the inside to change them.Thats the proven way to make changes where as all the finger pointing in the world and accusation slinging never changed a darn thing!!!


Better to work from within to change a political parties views to a more positive one and then get things done in the real world then to blindly continue to be the VOTE-LACKIES of a political party that just sees us as people to use in their attempt to get to garner more votes for themselves because they think we are dumb enough to believe the care about us.


So whats it going to be people work to change a party into a positive force that could work for all of us,are continue to serve the Demicunts?


What do you want to work for real change that could help us,or be some Demicunts Lackey!

Given the fact that 'evangelicals' have taken over the GOP, and that a major faction of those are Dominionists, I'd guess that if all the country's gays joined the Republican Party in order to influence it, we could confidently expect change in about two centuries.

 

[TX-Beau]

Given the fact that 'evangelicals' have taken over the GOP, and that a major faction of those are Dominionists, I'd guess that if all the country's gays joined the Republican Party in order to influence it, we could confidently expect change in about two centuries.

As soon as that?

 

[Rolyo85]

And the funniest thing is that if the Repugs could just stay out of my bedroom, there wouldn't BE a "gay agenda", "activist judges" or any of that horrible evil that us evil guys are doing. If so many people weren't heavenbent on telling me I should turn 180 for their convenience, I would not care one bit about politics, as my natural inclination is to be apolitical. It's really THAT simple.

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[Kulindahr]

He edited it very quickly, Kulindahr.

The original version bemoaned the fact that millions of our citizens are being killed through abortion, but yet replaced through immigration—a series of events that "weakens our culture".

Oh, yeah -- I remember seeing that.

I almost asked if he'd rather we kept all the babies and shot the illegals.

 

[rareboy]

He edited it very quickly, Kulindahr.

The original version bemoaned the fact that millions of our citizens are being killed through abortion, but yet replaced through immigration—a series of events that "weakens our culture".

Interesting, n'est ce pas?

 

[MrSnikners]

Neither the founding fathers nor the American people,or even gays thought that equality meant changing the definition of marriage to include two men, for the first 200 plus years of our history.if they had thought that the equal protection could have thar effect, it would not have been adopted.
It is not evil or hatful to believe that traditional marriage should be retained and if anyone can marry anyone else it does not have much meaning. It is also not hateful to believe that every child deserves a mother and a father. Not every opinion you disagree with is hateful.

That is true.

The Original Intent of a law at the time it was passed is something far too much overlooked in interpreting law today. Giving the view from why the law was passed, what it intended, and subsequent laws that addressed what previous laws had not.

I agree, it isn't hateful, just what many people believe. It doesn't necessarily make one hateful especially being brought up to know "marriage" as one thing.

I think people make things too simply black and white. Not to mention that social change takes time, which as my father would say is a foreign concept in the instant society we live in today.

I love the view of a libertarian I know whom doesn't believe "gay marriage", but that the federal government has no place in it(which it did not until 1923).

 

[Kulindahr]

When was the last time an independent ever got elected to anything important in this country? And please don't tell me Jesse Ventura. That guy has a few screws loose.

C'mon -- given a choice between him and Santorum, which would you choose?

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: Different views does not equal "twerp."

lol what a bunch of bull.

It was the Republican Party who left us, really.

Nixon was a Quaker, which is a mellow religion; Ronald Reagan didn't regularly attend any church.

But during the 80s, the Republican Party got taken over by Jerry Falwell, in a seres of calculated events. They pretty much threw us moderates out of the party.

Read your history, Patgrimshaw!

This is true. I really don't hold many positions that are very different from what I grew up with and held as a Republican. But the label no longer describes the same contents. I was never much of a moderate, but neither was I a theocrat or a plutocrat. I was and remain the sort of conservative that says when you have debt, you buckle down, everyone pitches in, and we pay the debt -- not move to enhance the trickle-up economic system that leaves the uber-wealthy proportionally better off after taxes than before, but the working people on the bottom worse off.

 

[pat grimshaw]

Re: Different views does not equal "twerp."

....But during the 80s, the Republican Party got taken over by Jerry Falwell, in a seres of calculated events. They pretty much threw us moderates out of the party.

Read your history, Patgrimshaw!

Yes, I'm sorry I didn't know about that. I thought it was an axiom that churches and political parties have a schism every 15 years or so.

So are there many other moderate / dispossessed Republicans there?

Did you form a moderates party, or switch over completely to the Dems?

 

[Bladerunner1811]

Why should that bother you? I'd have thought communism would be right up your street. All about sharing right?

I don't completely share everything..like my money for instance why should i be taxed to feed those using the system for a freedime?

 

[Bladerunner1811]

Neither lol.

That's why I'm in favor of a system with many political parties. But personally I would not choose either and would abstain.

Well if things get anyworse i'm pulling a Richard Pryor from his movie Brewsters Millions and starting a "Vote for None of the Above" party.

and yes we'd admit we want to buy your vote like he did.

 

[Bladerunner1811]

Re: Different views does not equal "twerp."

It was a gradual process spanning years, Pat.

Nominal tax rates topped 70% in the 1970s; it had been a time of a long-term moribund economy.

Economists showed us that if we gave the rich a huge tax break, they'd invest it in the economy, making it grow. It sounded promising, so I supported Ronald Reagan. The economy did seem to grow, but the budget deficits grew astronomically to a scary, unprecedented level.

At the same time this was happening, the Religious people took over the Republican Party, and weren't shy about telling the moderates to "get out". Then when the AIDS crisis came, they openly laughed and mocked the gay community, calling us "sodomites who got what they deserved". "AIDS was God's way of getting rid of the 'faggots'", they said.

Then Reagan began the process of de-unionizing the country. With a country left that was full of minimum wage workers, who was supposed to buy the goods that the rich people were supposed to be producing, with all those tax cuts they'd been given?

All these factors put together made me realize that trickle-down economics didn't work, and what was going on with the Religious Right pretty much cinched my departure from the party.

I've never looked back since.

The two good things i have always heard about Reagan are:

1) he ran clean campaigns for president never slung mud

and
2) the world new we had a president that had the spine to stand up to other nations and terrorists that threatned us.

 

[pat grimshaw]

^
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Robert_Malthus

 

[pat grimshaw]

You're comparing the philosophy of GiancarloC to the philosophy of Thomas Malthus!

Your Californian narcissist entitlement knows no bounds!

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: Different views does not equal "twerp."

Yes, I'm sorry I didn't know about that. I thought it was an axiom that churches and political parties have a schism every 15 years or so.

So are there many other moderate / dispossessed Republicans there?

Did you form a moderates party, or switch over completely to the Dems?

I went Libertarian. And I supported a move to broaden the Libertarian Party USA to the "Liberty Party" to soak up a lot of disgruntled Republicans. Unfortunately the top of the LP was ivory-tower purists who wouldn't budge from all-or-nothing.

Morons.

 

[Kulindahr]

Well if things get anyworse i'm pulling a Richard Pryor from his movie Brewsters Millions and starting a "Vote for None of the Above" party.

and yes we'd admit we want to buy your vote like he did.

The LP has tried to get that on the ballot in a number of states. I don't recall off hand if any state did it.

I would love to see "None of the Above" win the election, requiring all the candidates for that office to quit politics for a while, and having all new candidates.

 

[pat grimshaw]

…Being a tad bit inconsistent aren't we? …

yes I was getting myself all tangled up in admiration for Mitchymo

 

[pat grimshaw]

^ now you're getting me even more tangled up in confused admiration.