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How do I mend this?: My Story

JohnstonKommer

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I'm relatively new here, but I'd like to ask for help/advice on some things. I suppose I should begin with some background information.

I've known gay I was gay my whole life. Ever since I knew the difference between genders, I've wanted to be like guys, wanted to be with them, then puberty struck and bam, I want homosex. It was a long struggle coming to terms myself due to religious backgrounds and that "I want to be accepted and normal" junk, same old story. But mostly, it was my parents. Now I've read coming-out stories my whole life, but I never got to. My Dad used to tap the computer at home with spyware he purposely put there so he could watch whatever I did. He'd catch me many times on this site as well as just about anywhere else proclaiming gay acceptance. As many times as I was punished and scolded and told it was horrid and awful and whatever, my mind was not going to change. Not even from rebellion, I tried to change, I even went to those stupid church camps for "sexual bondage" or whatever. But as many times as my Dad had caught me, he was so shocked whenever he found something. In the past few years he'd been rummaging through my room while I was gone looking for journals and diaries, just to get into my life. He always told me that if he ever found something "not straight" (he couldn't even say gay half the time) in his house again, I better have somewhere else to live.

So 3 months ago he came barging in my room at 5am demanding I give him my internet capable devices. Now I was awake, and masturbating at the time (it was the summer, comon'). I wasn't even reading/watching/looking at porn or anything gay related, my stuff was just by my bed. He assumed I was and demanded I gave it to him. He was going to break it (he's done it before, that was my 3rd DS, and he's smashed laptops, game systems, just because he felt like it), and I fucking bought the thing, so I said no. Well he didn't take that too well and began his temper tantrum and threw things at me and yelled and screamed and tried to take my stuff. So when he jumped on me trying to snatch my junk, my naked self was revealed and I bit him to get him the hell off of me. I called him a crazy asshole and then he told me I had until sun-up to be gone. Oh and during all that time my mom was just sitting there siding with my dad.

So I packed my shit and left, walked to my grandparents across town, my dad had called over and they wouldn't let me in, so I went to somewhere with WiFi (he took my phone), got on facebook and messaged some friends until someone came and got me. I lived with a friend for a month until they kicked me out cause they had family issues too. So I worked with a gay community center nearby until they found a spot for me to go. They got me a room on a bad part of town, but it was all I had. So I was there a week, looking for jobs, trying to make food last, until one night, hell broke loose next door. Gunshots, screaming, everything. So in that moment, I decided I'd go beg my grandparents. So the next morning I caught a 3 hour bus and went to my grandparents again. I talked with my Grandfather and he said it was okay considering the circumstances.

Now they're all very religious, my family, my grandparents, everyone. So my Dad had told them all the horrifying details of my journals and I bit him and yada yada, and they just said that it was something I had to deal with. So they're okay, it's kinda taboo.

So I live here with my grandparents, while I look for jobs and save money and look for somewhere else to go. But now my parents/family is basically boycotting my grandparents, won't call, won't come over, ignoring them, just for letting me stay here. Which isn't fair to my grandparents at all. I have 2 younger siblings that they can't see "because of me". So they're trying to make my grandpa choose, which he said he won't, but he expects me to fix things sorta as to repay him or what not, and I want to fix thing so my grandparents can see my family, but I don't know how. I don't know what to say to my dad, I don't know how to grovel and keep my integrity. I have to fix it soon though...I just need help. Sorry I'm so long winded too by the way.
 
Christ, what a mess! I'm sorry you're going thru this. I've had good friends go thru what you are. I even had to rescue my cousin who was being assaulted and physically abused by his father simply for being gay. It's hard to realize that it will get better when you are at the bottom of the mineshaft as you are now; but I promise you, it does. :cry: (*8*)

What religion are they by the way?
 
My friend,

I too shocked by the amount of pain, frustration and grief that you have endured. Are there any gay-friendly churches or such that you could invite the minister to come and talk with your family?

While it would be good for you to live away from your grandparents so that they can have access to your brothers / sisters, it is a crime that your father is using them as punishment.

Here is a site that you might look at and print off anything relevant to share with your grandparents and hopefully your parents.

http://johnshore.com/2011/09/05/all-aboard/

I found this on the site:

As a gay person, I have often thought that people missed the point regarding homophobia (and racism, sexism, etc). Most people assume that by being homophobic, they are defining and demeaning me. But the reverse is true; they are defining themselves as hate-filled people. It took me along time to shed the hate that others piled on my back… and it will likely take alot longer for them to rid it from their hearts.

I do not know what the job opportunities there are for you, but your safety needs to come first. Stay with your grandparents as long as you can, but do look for a safe place to live and work and share that information with your grandparents.

I do wish you all the best and do hope that you find a safe place to be yourself.

Rand
 
The situation is past "mending," you need to get out. Where are you? That particular community center may not have worked, but you should try another. Maybe in a larger city? Some have programs where gay couples mentor at-risk youth who have been kicked out of their homes. Keep searching until you find something right for you.
 
I can't believe I'm saying this, and I am not saying it with ease, but you need to find a full-time job, a place to rent, and completely cut any communication with your family. Let your grandparents know what's up with you, as they seem a little more accepting than your monstrous parents, but don't try to fix this in any other way.

No amount of groveling will change what your father thinks of you, or the feelings that brings in him. His ignorance and his soulless bigotry will not change, and you are already too much in tune with who you are to get back in the closet for him.

Another thing - how old are you? If you are under 18, there are places you can call, people that are required by law to help you. If not, then see the beginning of my post.

I am incredibly sorry for your situation, but the tone of your post suggest you are a strong enough person to deal with it. I wish you all the luck in the world, and please keep us posted on how you are doing.
 
Christ, what a mess! I'm sorry you're going thru this. I've had good friends go thru what you are. I even had to rescue my cousin who was being assaulted and physically abused by his father simply for being gay. It's hard to realize that it will get better when you are at the bottom of the mineshaft as you are now; but I promise you, it does. :cry: (*8*)

What religion are they by the way?

They're all Pentecostal Christian

My friend,

I too shocked by the amount of pain, frustration and grief that you have endured. Are there any gay-friendly churches or such that you could invite the minister to come and talk with your family?

While it would be good for you to live away from your grandparents so that they can have access to your brothers / sisters, it is a crime that your father is using them as punishment.

Here is a site that you might look at and print off anything relevant to share with your grandparents and hopefully your parents.

http://johnshore.com/2011/09/05/all-aboard/

...
I do not know what the job opportunities there are for you, but your safety needs to come first. Stay with your grandparents as long as you can, but do look for a safe place to live and work and share that information with your grandparents.

I do wish you all the best and do hope that you find a safe place to be yourself.

Rand

Well every once in a while when my parents would find something of the gay nature, they would just go off on a "Where in the bible does this say it's okay?!; I don't care what anyone says, god didn't intend this and this and this and I'm right."

My Dad's a bit of a control freak. He's vain, conceited, he's a know it all, he's never wrong. So no one is going to change his mind on the matter. :(

The situation is past "mending," you need to get out. Where are you? That particular community center may not have worked, but you should try another. Maybe in a larger city? Some have programs where gay couples mentor at-risk youth who have been kicked out of their homes. Keep searching until you find something right for you.

I live in Jacksonville Florida, and no the systems and programs I wemt to for help were very limited and I was put in the worst living situation. The landlords had an issue with me too.

The thing about Jacksonville and gay outreach, there is little to none. There's a massive Baptist church downtown, that has a huge say in how everything is run, all the city officials and whatever. When they vote for funding, if any pro-gay outfit applies for funding, they back out and give nothing to the city. So I'm afraid that's the best I could do.

I would leave, but I have nowhere to go.
 
I can't believe I'm saying this, and I am not saying it with ease, but you need to find a full-time job, a place to rent, and completely cut any communication with your family. Let your grandparents know what's up with you, as they seem a little more accepting than your monstrous parents, but don't try to fix this in any other way.

No amount of groveling will change what your father thinks of you, or the feelings that brings in him. His ignorance and his soulless bigotry will not change, and you are already too much in tune with who you are to get back in the closet for him.

Another thing - how old are you? If you are under 18, there are places you can call, people that are required by law to help you. If not, then see the beginning of my post.

I am incredibly sorry for your situation, but the tone of your post suggest you are a strong enough person to deal with it. I wish you all the luck in the world, and please keep us posted on how you are doing.

I'm 18. I'm looking for a full time job, as well as anything I can find. I'd like nothing more than to lease a place and work my way up, but I'm having a horrendous time just trying to find part-time work. I'd go to school, but I have no money/transportation.
 
You should look for groups that are dedicated to problems like yours. I really suck in this, as I never had to deal with such issues, but I'm sure some people here will be able to give you pointers. Stay in touch.
 
^ I don't plan on going anywhere soon, I'll be around here.

And no one is obligated to reply or say anything. I'd just like advice considering I have no clue what to do.
 
Have you contacted Jasmyn (904) 389-0089?
 
Have you contacted Jasmyn (904) 389-0089?

Yes, that is the only gay youth center around for 100's of miles. They and the salvation army got me in that death trap, which I feel bad for saying considering it was charity, but I was not/didn't feel safe at all.
 
Yes, that is the only gay youth center around for 100's of miles. They and the salvation army got me in that death trap, which I feel bad for saying considering it was charity, but I was not/didn't feel safe at all.

The accommodations that they found for you were emergency housing to get you off the street until you could find a job or make other arrangements.

If you were a year younger, you would qualify for adult protective services because it's clear from your story that you have been living in an abusive situation. Religion is just the excuse to justify what sounds like a multi-generational history of abuse and dysfunction.

It's tougher to find permanent housing for someone who the state considers an adult, is of working-age and has graduated from high school. The child protection system is really geared for younger people.

When you're 18, it is hard to take the long view but that will be what it takes. You're going to have to come up with a long-term strategy for being independent and self-sufficient. That will start with a job (another challenge since you're going to have to have transportation and prove you're dependable) and then a plan to either live with someone temporarily or find a roommate to share expenses.

It's not going to be easy but as you'll get stories in this thread from other people who have been through it or have friends who have gone through it. It can be done.
 
Jk -
I don't have experience with a situation like yours and do not want to give bad advice.

Your situation makes me angry and sad. And I hate you are going through this. Being rejected by our parents because of something about us is horribly painful.

I am impressed with the strength you display in your posts. You can survive this. The bible and religion should not be used this way. But they are. Damn...

Let you grandparennts help you as much as they are willing to.

I will be thinking of you. If you start to feel you are not able to cope, please post back for help. Also, maybe the Trevor project help line would have some ideas. Jacksonville is a big city. The bad churches can't control everything.

I wish I had a magic solution.

(*8*) (*8*) (*8*)
 
The accommodations that they found for you were emergency housing to get you off the street until you could find a job or make other arrangements.

If you were a year younger, you would qualify for adult protective services because it's clear from your story that you have been living in an abusive situation. Religion is just the excuse to justify what sounds like a multi-generational history of abuse and dysfunction.

It's tougher to find permanent housing for someone who the state considers an adult, is of working-age and has graduated from high school. The child protection system is really geared for younger people.

When you're 18, it is hard to take the long view but that will be what it takes. You're going to have to come up with a long-term strategy for being independent and self-sufficient. That will start with a job (another challenge since you're going to have to have transportation and prove you're dependable) and then a plan to either live with someone temporarily or find a roommate to share expenses.

It's not going to be easy but as you'll get stories in this thread from other people who have been through it or have friends who have gone through it. It can be done.

Thank you so much, and yes it's been an ongoing theme in my household. The threw my sister out when she was 16 for watching Anime (not hentai, just anime in general). Proving I can get to a job is going to be difficult. I can borrow a bike from a friend maybe, but I don't know how many jobs will accept that. Once I have a job, I suppose I can look for Craigslist roomates or something.

I know Jasmyn did the best they could, and it wasn't meant to be permanent. Call me a spoiled white kid, but I felt like could have been shot at any given hour. I love Jasmyn, I would drop-in every week if I had the transportation.

Jk -
I don't have experience with a situation like yours and do not want to give bad advice.

Your situation makes me angry and sad. And I hate you are going through this. Being rejected by our parents because of something about us is horribly painful.

I am impressed with the strength you display in your posts. You can survive this. The bible and religion should not be used this way. But they are. Damn...

Let you grandparennts help you as much as they are willing to.

I will be thinking of you. If you start to feel you are not able to cope, please post back for help. Also, maybe the Trevor project help line would have some ideas. Jacksonville is a big city. The bad churches can't control everything.

I wish I had a magic solution.

(*8*) (*8*) (*8*)

I wish I had a magic solution for everything, trust me. Jasmyn is the only beacon of hope in Jacksonville. I could go to a homeless shelter, but...that scares me too. I'm an adult, but I'm still a teenager, I still feel like a kid sometimes. I don't feel like an adult unless I'm working or I'm out somewhere alone. Jacksonville is scary.

I haven't been seriously suicidal in years (besides that one night with the gunshots at that apartment). The thought always crosses my mind when something goes wrong and I'm weighing out options over stress, but never anything serious. I want to go out and live to much than to die.
 
"I wish I had a magic solution" is what I tell my son when he is facing something really hard in life. It means, "I hear you and hear how you are feeling, but I cannot fix this."

I repeat, I am impressed with the strength you show. Please keep us updated. I am hoping for the best for you.

You do not deserve what is happening. Please keep telling yourself that.

Oh, welcome to JUB. There are real people behind each username. We are thinking about you.
 
I know what you mean, and thank you for the kindness and support.

I have a hard time telling myself that, because of my upbringing and constantly being told I'm going to burn for eternity because of my "gayness".
 
Part of growing up is realizing our parents are wrong about some things.

If there is a god (I am agnostic, but raised by a Methodist minister) then I believe such a god would Make everything perfect, in his image. He would not make us gay and then punish us for eternity for how we were born. At least not any god of love that I've read about. But it has taken me decades to realize that. You can figure it out sooner.

I read some of your other posts. You seem like a really nice and good kid. (I mean that affectionately. I'm old enough to be your dad. My son is 13.)

So the dad in me keeps saying you can get through this. And the dad in me wishes I could help in a real way. Not just words on a screen. Although words in this forum have really helped me.
 
What can I tell you? Had a similar story, but luckily I was out of the house by then. More of a business melt down. In any event I spoke to my mom, whom I thought I could relate to better and agreed to meet with her and her pastor. I'm pretty smart when it comes to the bibles and what not since I grew up with it and went to a christian based school from elementary through high school. We sat down and I let her speak. Then i gave my take and he we began to go back and forth. A pretty nice guy I have to say. Religion isn't my thing, but this guy definitely wasn't a bigot. What he said and what kind of shocked my mom was that the Bible is to be used as a mirror, not a hammer. My dad was playing god by trying to force others to choose between a relationship with me or being cast out of the family and his house. It was his egotism and sin that was the issue and not mine. This rattled her a bit and they stopped going, lol. You'll grow up and things will change. You just have to stand on your own two feet as best you can. Grandparents will eventually see it your way as your fathers punishment of them will reflect worse on him as long as you can remain in their good graces. You are in their house now. If it gets unreasonable there, you are on your own. Go back in the closet until you can live on your own. It might be part of your journey, but you can become stronger as a person by it and not have this current struggle define or defeat you.
 
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