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Okay true there are some obvious correlations. A millionaire from Canton is not going to be spending his weekends with the Dundalk bums in a local wateringhole.

Does Canton have a large number of millionaires? Were I a millionaire getting the fuck out of Ohio would be one of my primary tasks. That and buying a harem of sixteen year old pale Eastern European boys to feed me grapes and read me poems. (Should I say 18 to sound less creepy?)

You're as beautiful as 10,000 Houris.
 
Okay true there are some obvious correlations. A millionaire from Canton is not going to be spending his weekends with the Dundalk bums in a local wateringhole.

That is one of the minor elements that I referred while talking of the other "two": there can always be cultural, national forces attracting individuals to others in fact different from them, but it is a consistent fact that people are naturally closer to people beyond artificialities, national or of whatever sort, and that aristocrats from different nations always felt mutually closer than to the people under them serving the same king, just like today a hipster, or in fact any average American, will feel closer to other "middle class" :roll: people around the world than to any redneck, chav or whatever they consider and mock at as being below them.
 
Finally, the fact that second generation upstarts are accepted as one of the group more as a norm than as an exception, shows how slovenly and irrelevant the old system has become: formerly classes were about generations, today, in accordance with all said above, the "bourgeois" morals of achievement, today it is about individuals, individuals being shaped in their minds and whole vital experience according to a definite perspective of your "financial security" and "standard of living", of my "habits" and both your and my "connections" that you can possibly replace through personal effort and achievement... one belongs to a class when one belongs to effortlessly. That's still the old system at work. The other newer system is what we see so often at work in Wall Street: socialism for the few, based on greater relative wealth.


I know this is a big piece of TLDR, but I had to spew it, but I am positive some very few, weasly ones could profit from it.

You've demonstrated change, not destruction. But believe it or not you and I argued a little about this last year as relates to your country's aristocracy. The fact that very few people today, other than my grandmother, would assert that it takes 8 generations in the male line to make a respectable person hardly means that class has melted away and been replaced by something else. I think now of my own country and its peculiar obsession with race--which I think is really about social class.
 
You've demonstrated change, not destruction.

Exactly: Through all my post with that dual continuity, but the thing is that a class system is conceived as an indisputable and monolithic fact of nature, so that even the slightest change is considered a destruction already, because it is no pure white anymore, but gray. Get the idea better now?

Only when the shades of gray get darker and approach black and pitch black, people realize what had been going on all the time as if it has come all of a sudden, leaving them puzzled. One thing you have to credit the rotten reactionaries is their awareness of that sort of fact from the beginning, while people in general get used to the process at work until the result hits them when it's to late to even be aware, let alone make something about it. This last reflection was not just so much about social changes as about changes in general, human dynamics in general, particularly in the economy, when everything is fine and normal until it is too late to do anything against the consequences of the trend you were not aware that was going on under your feet.

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Do we have proof that you think...???

You know that the Turing Test won't work for that.
 
Exactly: Through all my post with that dual continuity, but the thing is that a class system is conceived as an indisputable and monolithic fact of nature, so that even the slightest change is considered a destruction already, because it is no pure white anymore, but gray. Get the idea better now?

Only when the shades of gray get darker and approach black and pitch black, people realize what had been going on all the time as if it has come all of a sudden, leaving them puzzled. One thing you have to credit the rotten reactionaries is their awareness of that sort of fact from the beginning, while people in general get used to the process at work until the result hits them when it's to late to even be aware, let alone make something about it. This last reflection was not just so much about social changes as about changes in general, human dynamics in general, particularly in the economy, when everything is fine and normal until it is too late to do anything against the consequences of the trend you were not aware that was going on under your feet.

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Sounds very highfalutin to me. But I think the capacity of a human male to think deeply is incredibly sexy. (It's very important that none of you forget that this is a porn site and I'm pantless)
 
Sounds very highfalutin to me.

You mean like "Manifest Destiny"? or the "all men are brothers, and they all are born equal"? or like the theory of relativity? like automatic translation? Apple watches? or like..?
 
You mean like "Manifest Destiny"? or the "all men are brothers, and they all are born equal"? or like the theory of relativity? like automatic translation? Apple watches? or like..?
Relativity. Uber-intellectual. Touch my penis.
 
I am so hazy and thick lately... I always had a ready good, short way of exposing all that thing about classes, and yesterday I got entangled in developments and details: the core remains the same, which was a less vague of putting together what Al was hinting at, namely, a class is a connection of several factors, which are mainly position, connections and wealth, those latter being "resources" in general, and a certain education and "world view",which is but the reflect of the general social order from which they derive and which gives them sense. Once that is gone, there are no classes, and that is gone in our times, when merely wealth through individual (individual companies too understood as such) is the articulating element to society.

So in the old system, wealth had necessarily to be driven to certain positions already established, through given "right" connections, being used to maintain a "standard of living", which is more than that, a whole world view, a system of beliefs imprinted in the individual through a particular education to turn him into a full-fledged, a proper, member (a borg :mrgreen: ) of that given, upper in the case at hand, class.

That is the main driving force, for all those remaining forces of the past that I mentioned and which may make you think we are still living under the same old class system. But you only need to see how that old system of lower, middle and upper class is compounded, in certain analysis made in relation to taxes, with the label "super rich": David Beckham or Cristiano Ronaldo, obviously, are not upper class, and that should be enough to realize that something is wrong with that analysis and classification.

Take also notice, as more examples of that, how Queen Elizabeth II, and old imperial aristocracy in Britain, or French upper classes in after decolonization, found themselves lost in a world strange to their beliefs, beliefs shaped by that class system in place until WWII.
Or take also the descendants of the famed Vanderbilts raising their kids like "common" people... until their 18th birthday. All that even reflect in the "luxury": that Michael Kors or Hackett are considered luxury gives you another proof of how real exclusiveness is something that even the rich won't or even can't afford, and luxury, traditionally a sure sign of status, today has become as "conceptual" as art, since it doesn't have a class of "irresponsible" uppities to maintain it: class system is based on distinctions made from above to others considered below, and today it is all so bourgeois, so business-oriented that the fantasy and exquisiteness that flows from indulging and sensuous classes can not but disappear. Only the parodies that in the past were an exceptions are left as the general new standard, mainly in China, Russia, the Middle East.

They may be classes of people, there can always be, but there is no class system setting apart people IN ALL RESPECTS of human existence, from personal development, education, to social position and interaction. Everything is "flowing", and if there is something that can definitely prove me wrong, and right at the same time, is that the classes are not of people, but of funds: private equities, family offices, bank accounts, stashes, nothings...
 
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