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How should violent criminals pay their debt to society?

Adrusek81

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I was recently watching Oprah Winfrey's interview with the formerly abused child Clayton Moss, and I was wondering whether, given the magnitude of the crimes perpetrated by some people, would be the loss of freedom and having to endure the oppressive environment of prison be enough for them? Should taxpayers pay for an individual whose actions and own nature can only be described as execrable, to live and even eventually be executed, when a better use could easily be found for them?


This has lead me to wonder whether more effective means to deal with cases of extreme violence, especially those that are perpetrated with a certain pleasure in the suffering of others, could be found by the penal system. Would more drastic measure be adequate in order to "sanitize" society of people whose cruelty, perversity and degeneracy are place them beyond any possible redemption?

Somehow, a conversation that I had with a fellow animal rights activist some time ago had popped up into my mind. He argued that every single year, millions of animals are sacrificed in the name of medical research and the advancement of science. These creatures, innocent by default, are forced to give their lives so that we can supposedly have a better existence. While the horrors of speciesism have been widely documented, and I will not delve into them, I was wondering is someone who purposefully abuses others and destroys lives just for the thrill of it, be classed as a living being at all. Thus, should they actually have any rights?

What if violent criminals (everything from child abusers to serial killers, murderers, rapists, sadists and cannibals) were classed as "social liabilities" and were to be required to pay their debt to society by becoming the equivalent of "lab rats"? What would be the moral implication, at a societal level, if we purged our monsters by sacrificing them in the name of a greater good?

I was just curious to see what everyone would think.

Does every "human being" deserve respect and a semblance of a life, even when they have proven that they are incapable of giving either thing to anyone or anything else? Would it be legitimate for society at large to claim moral superiority by stripping certain individuals of even their animality? What about animals themselves? Should a harmless creature be less deserving of respect as an evil, destructive, malicious and murderous individual?

I'd really like to see what everyone has to say regarding this matter.
 
I was recently watching Oprah Winfrey's interview with the formerly abused child Clayton Moss, and I was wondering whether, given the magnitude of the crimes perpetrated by some people, would be the loss of freedom and having to endure the oppressive environment of prison be enough for them? Should taxpayers pay for an individual whose actions and own nature can only be described as execrable, to live and even eventually be executed, when a better use could easily be found for them?


This has lead me to wonder whether more effective means to deal with cases of extreme violence, especially those that are perpetrated with a certain pleasure in the suffering of others, could be found by the penal system. Would more drastic measure be adequate in order to "sanitize" society of people whose cruelty, perversity and degeneracy are place them beyond any possible redemption?

Somehow, a conversation that I had with a fellow animal rights activist some time ago had popped up into my mind. He argued that every single year, millions of animals are sacrificed in the name of medical research and the advancement of science. These creatures, innocent by default, are forced to give their lives so that we can supposedly have a better existence. While the horrors of speciesism have been widely documented, and I will not delve into them, I was wondering is someone who purposefully abuses others and destroys lives just for the thrill of it, be classed as a living being at all. Thus, should they actually have any rights?

What if violent criminals (everything from child abusers to serial killers, murderers, rapists, sadists and cannibals) were classed as "social liabilities" and were to be required to pay their debt to society by becoming the equivalent of "lab rats"? What would be the moral implication, at a societal level, if we purged our monsters by sacrificing them in the name of a greater good?

I was just curious to see what everyone would think.

Does every "human being" deserve respect and a semblance of a life, even when they have proven that they are incapable of giving either thing to anyone or anything else? Would it be legitimate for society at large to claim moral superiority by stripping certain individuals of even their animality? What about animals themselves? Should a harmless creature be less deserving of respect as an evil, destructive, malicious and murderous individual?

I'd really like to see what everyone has to say regarding this matter.

1 ya gots a soicerty got
2 iga wot is life
3 make apes figa ooh
4 anyway

5 planet diein
6 obvious

7 lot a millions a useles professions classes a do wen eva planet a millions of um eva figa nose
dat mean alls lands sign UN got grow up so high 1st a eva they no socks ova a face

thankyou
 
As lab rats? not really, first there is really not enough of a population of sociopaths to provide enough test subjects. You might wind up with a situation where there is pressure to find people beyond the population of worst criminals. Secondly, most experimentation requires a sound base population, many test animals are specifically bred and grown to assure that they are genetically healthy and meet all the control requirements for the testing. But finally, punishing someone's lack of humanity by inhuman means undermines society, we become no better than those we condemn.

Society does have to deal with those rare individuals who are such a danger to society and such sociopaths that they are beyond redemption by removing them from society, either by life imprisonment or execution but we must always do so in the most humane means possible.
 
t great ya think about a so a thangs
but ya real got nose hows slime shit piss a cultures is planet ova fa eons calls umselfs civlized human beings
ans theys da top bit

then ya gots da new word giv ta leess a life call people a new thang not long doins rounds so nose reach alls lands ans ins lands

etc so on

so 10 house points fa thinkin it

anyway

dat me dun

thankyou

porn crackas alls can eat organic too

ha
 
I'm a big believer in deportation to the colonies.

Unfortunately England has become a colony itself. It's ridiculously over-generous welfare system has made it the favourite destination for migrants from Romania, Bulgaria etc.
 
there go world svaed

haaa

europeans is only
ans rest planet colony

luv civlizations 1st ans bestests

haaa
 
I'm still watching, but my first impulse is that the proper thing to do with such people would be to take them to an "anything to oil" plant and toss them in the feed stock, alive. They'd be of use to society as fuel and lubricants, but they and their genes have no place in civilization.
 
I'm still watching, but my first impulse is that the proper thing to do with such people would be to take them to an "anything to oil" plant and toss them in the feed stock, alive. They'd be of use to society as fuel and lubricants, but they and their genes have no place in civilization.

civillie zation? on trial fa eons
waitn fa sumthang out da swamps a it figa anythang be gurd

thankyou
 
I didn't go through what he did, but I still dried through the whole part with the sheriff guy who rescued him -- because I never had a rescuer. I'm not sure anyone would have believed me if I'd told what happened to me -- if I'd remembered, because with no one to turn to, my approach to dealing with it was to literally forget for decades. And I think that some of my response to people who abuse kids is because I am still angry. And part of my anger is because there really is no punishment to fit this crime, nothing any society can do to balance things -- and from that angle, I have to say that the thread's question is wrong, because there is no way possible to pay this sort of debt. It's not even really a debt to society in the first place, its a debt to the abused kid, and that's a debt impossible for arrangements for repayment, let alone repayment.
 
only thang dat tit a tv entertainment go say
in this country only pay lip serivce

dat all supa 1st world public do lippys it

go mt everest ans sign up get aliens nanny apes fa few thousand years

thankyou
 
These particular parents deserve to be treated on a par with murderers because this would have ultimately ended in his death.

There is no one lower than the person who harms a child.
 
These particular parents deserve to be treated on a par with murderers because this would have ultimately ended in his death.

There is no one lower than the person who harms a child.

world lands doin fine job so dat mean every one hold hand ans wait fa mickey mouse go
--------------------

thankyou
 
I feel so sorry for him...

But more proud of him than anything else , he still looks like he nay need counseling tho..
What brave young man he is

Not even going to waste my breath on those two animals, but just say May they rot in hell..
 
I feel so sorry for him...

But more proud of him than anything else , he still looks like he nay need counseling tho..
What brave young man he is

Not even going to waste my breath on those two animals, but just say May they rot in hell..

yea wish da dude a great life
no need councelin
planet do need it real bad eons ago ans plenty stills live wit great lands awsums ways up ta sec ins da millllllllllllllions

anyway

hope oprah enjoy her therapy sessions ans rest tv media etc

thankyou
 
Robbers and burglars should pay their debt to society by serving as free prostitutes to upstanding citizens...
 
I like many, am a fierce opponent of the death penalty, violent and recidivist criminals, should be in prison for many years, if not for a whole life term.
I cannot in any way "support" the taking of another's life, no matter how horrendous their crime may have been, i would imagine being
kept in solitary, or the alternative of "punishment" being meted out by other inmates, is terror and damage, which will last many more years, than a quick, almost painless death, at the hands of The State.
 
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