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Huffpost "Gay Voices" now "Queer Voices"

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Apologies if this is somewhere else on the forum, or belongs in a different place, but:

What do you think about Huffpost's decision to rename their Gay Voices page "Queer Voices"?

After the initial announcement, a flood of complaints arose in the comments section, many saying things to the effect of "Queer is just as exclusionary as gay", or "I'm not queer, please don't force an umbrella term onto me", or even "I always considered 'queer' to be derogatory, in the same category of words as 'nigger'."

Others felt that the word was too generationally divisive (I'll come back to this later), or that reclaiming it and asserting it as the one-true-and-almighty-term was simply a "cheap thrill" (actual quote).

Many, regardless of their opinion of the word or the change, felt the decision was too unilateral, and was mostly a reflection of the editor, Noah Michelson.

Yesterday , James Peron posted an article explaining his personal contentions (you can read it yourself).

Methinks the editor got wise to his possible blunder because another article appeared today, referencing the relatively large backlash. It was probably the largest reaction I've seen on that HuffPost page for years--certainly the largest on-topic reaction.

Unfortunately, it seems the editor either misunderstood the points raised by detractors or outright ignored their concerns.

Perhaps I am not the only one that sees the double standard here?

It seems to me that the editor has told the people that disagree (but are nevertheless part of the community) to either fuck off or drop their reservations about feeling excluded by an allegedly "inclusive" word. A serious PR mistake IMHO.

About the change itself, "Gay Voices" was obviously excluding a lot of groups, but "Queer Voices" is clearly too polarizing and divisive to be the page banner.

Part of this ordeal reeks of that "I feel, therefore I am." sophism, with people rushing to co-opt another "edgy" term so they can feel special about themselves (then seeking to impose it on others). "Queer" isn't edgy per se, but using it to cover all non-straight orientations doesn't sit well with me. In the 1980s when academia started using it (queer theory, queer studies, queer musicology etc ad nauseum), it was used in a slightly different way--it had a highly specific, specialized meaning in that context. Simultaneously, "queer" had other, more informal contexts (the slur and the identity), but it seems that most of the reasoning behind the reclamation movement is being drawn from academic usage, not how people actually feel about the word and self-identify.

Of course, that's quickly gobbled up by certain mindsets and likewise perpetuated. But still, that perspective distances theory from practice in favor of the former. Of those who subscribe to that view, an alarming number seem to demand that their pontifications be accepted immediately and wholeheartedly.

Personally I dislike the term "queer" as an umbrella term for the entire movement--and I'm almost certain that no such term exists. The alphabet soup is ungainly, and "Alternative Voices" sounds too music-related. "Rainbow Voices", as suggested by James Peron, seems silly but surprisingly appropriate?

What do you think?
 
The pedantry of it all.....

That you take offence to something, that’s your reaction. That you take offence to something that’s you; I may not find what you find offensive. That you take offence to something, or someone then deal with it privately and move on.

Stephen Fry's words ring true:

“If I had a large amount of money I should certainly found a hospital for those whose grip upon the world is so tenuous that they can be severely offended by words and phrases and yet remain all unoffended by the injustice, violence and oppression that howls daily about our ears.”

and

“It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so fucking what."
 
I don't like the word "queer" at all....not really a fan of GLBT either....though neither "offend" me.

I identify mostly as an Individual....who is Gay.....and a Feminist...a Socialist...an American...a Native Californian...and a lot of other things..which make one INDIVIDUAL Identity.....

In other words....I identify as a "Individual who is Gay" rather than as a "Gay Individual"....
 
The pedantry of it all.....

That you take offence to something, that’s your reaction.

I'm not offended by the word--I don't take offense to it. I never said I did. I just don't think the editors made a wise decision in choosing it.

That I don't feel it applies to me is wholly secondary to the main issue at hand--others using it sanctimoniously as a catch-all when many clearly don't resonate with it. It's the (usually concomitant) condescending attitude that I find absolutely loathsome. Someone *the editor* is using their position to assert their *controversial view over the whole of the community. He wasn't elected to carry out the will of the people he's speaking for, and people have noticed.

* in the literal sense; debatable.
 
Gay has always served double purpose to describe those who are not straight (including all genders and spectrums), but can specifically mean gay men.

My sexuality is not queer. 'Owning' a word such as faggot or queer does not make it hip all of a sudden to use it for everything.
 
Gay has always served double purpose to describe those who are not straight (including all genders and spectrums), but can specifically mean gay men.

My sexuality is not queer. 'Owning' a word such as faggot or queer does not make it hip all of a sudden to use it for everything.

In its general context, queer means strange, wired, etc. It was originally intended to demean gays, and it still does.
 
Does anyone else question the inclusivity of the word "queer"? I get the sense that some are just proclaiming it to be so without offering any rhetoric or explanation and are at a total loss for words when pressed on the issue.

It's almost being treated like a mindless religious mantra.

"Thou shalt believe this thing here immediately and unquestionably; there is a place for skeptics in hell."
 
Does anyone else question the inclusivity of the word "queer"? I get the sense that some are just proclaiming it to be so without offering any rhetoric or explanation and are at a total loss for words when pressed on the issue.

It's almost being treated like a mindless religious mantra.

"Thou shalt believe this thing here immediately and unquestionably; there is a place for skeptics in hell."

If I was just searching the internet and came across "Queer Voices"...I would pass and go to another source.

My negative images of the word are historical BUT...the people who use the term today fucking annoy me so bad I want to completely disassociate from them....because they INSIST on defining everything for you and if you disagree..you "don't get it"..or are a "bully"....

Comedians Jerry Seinfeld and Chris Rock..and many more..refuse to play at College Campuses anymore because of the PC environment....and in my mind...I see the "Queer Nation" as part of this PC movement that I am not a fan of...

So "queer" absolutely does not include me because I will not sign on to all the PC bullshit that they espouse. I am not a fan of the thought police much..and that is what they seem to want to become.
 
Obviously HuffPost wasn't ever gonna call it "Sexual Minority Voices". We simply can't expect people to utter or type one whole extra word just in the name of inclusion and being non-offensive!

And if some of you darlings actually are offended by the term "Queer", well you have no right be! The PC Mafia gets to decide what is and is not offensive so sit down and shut up, faggot.
 
I'm not gay.

I'm not queer.

I am a homo. Short for homosexual.

Period.

But that only describes where I put my heart and my cock.

I really don't care what Huffpost wants to call their page.

They don't define me.
 
I think the connotation of 'queer' is negative, something not right, unusual, out of place, and applied in the past and in some circles as a pejorative term.

Maybe they should have called the new section after the flag, Rainbow Voices instead to embrace the diversity of human sexuality etc.
 
"Queer" hasn't sounded negative within the LGBT community for over a decade. It's inclusive.

Apparently not. (to both)

Also, your profile says you're based in Chicago. An urban perspective may be completely out of touch with large swaths of the "community" (if anything, the reaction against the renaming has proven that "community" is a misnomer). In general, the uptake of "queer" seems to have primarily been an urban phenomenon. In no way can it be considered universal even among the non-hetero populace.

It most certainly does not carry the same "inclusive", "positive" connotation to the millions of 'phobes (even so-called 'supporters') across the land.

In less 'saturated' areas I would expect very few LGBT+ Americans to consider themselves queer, associate a positive connotation with the word, or accept the label being applied to them wholesale.
 
I don't know how many of you remember that back in the heydey of Gay insurgency there was the "Gay" crowd - where inclusion was the goal, and the "Queer" crowd which was much more confrontational and not interested in compromising to the mainstream.

In my head I find it funny when people say "Queer" is the P.C. police because that's definitely not how I remember it, in fact the way I remember it. While the "Gay" crowd was busy dissociating them selves from the "Queer" crowd and telling Drag Queens not to come to the parade, the more inclusive subset was the "Queer" one.

I wasn't one of them at the time, having my own issues, but at this point I don't find it offensive to be called Queer, Fag, Nancy, Mary, Gay, Homo, Pansy - whatever. The offence is in the intent, not the term, so if Rolyo called me Nancy Faggot cock-sucking whore....

Well I'd just blush slightly and say GUILTY!

Nor - and prepare yourselves for a bunch of you to get offended - am I a supercilious dilettante who insists on P.C. narrowly construed acceptable tags. If I use Faggot to describe myself who the fuck are you to tell me YOU'RE offended. I find that kind of offense incredibly hypocritical.

You break down stereotypes by juxtaposing these kinds of terms against real people, so if some Redneck hereabouts calls me a Queer, I'm going to agree to that too, and just maybe while all the other Rednecks are thinking "...Damn Beau you don't look like no faggot, FUCK, I showered with you in high school..." Just maybe one of them changes his mind a little bit.

You can't offend me with a word unless I let you, and you can't shame me for being me if I refuse to play.
 
Apparently not. (to both)

Also, your profile says you're based in Chicago. An urban perspective may be completely out of touch with large swaths of the "community" (if anything, the reaction against the renaming has proven that "community" is a misnomer). In general, the uptake of "queer" seems to have primarily been an urban phenomenon. In no way can it be considered universal even among the non-hetero populace.

It most certainly does not carry the same "inclusive", "positive" connotation to the millions of 'phobes (even so-called 'supporters') across the land.

In less 'saturated' areas I would expect very few LGBT+ Americans to consider themselves queer, associate a positive connotation with the word, or accept the label being applied to them wholesale.

I am utterly unconcerned with what a bunch of heteros call us - I only care about this if you are also gay.
 
OH YEAH, It's completely immaterial to my life what Huffpost calls things, amongst the people having a conniption over this is where you find the P.C.
 
Apparently not. (to both)

Also, your profile says you're based in Chicago. An urban perspective may be completely out of touch with large swaths of the "community" (if anything, the reaction against the renaming has proven that "community" is a misnomer). In general, the uptake of "queer" seems to have primarily been an urban phenomenon. In no way can it be considered universal even among the non-hetero populace.

It most certainly does not carry the same "inclusive", "positive" connotation to the millions of 'phobes (even so-called 'supporters') across the land.

In less 'saturated' areas I would expect very few LGBT+ Americans to consider themselves queer, associate a positive connotation with the word, or accept the label being applied to them wholesale.

No offense, and I do mean that, since I definitely am not looking to invalidate life experiences outside of the major urban areas, but it's in the big cities that the LGBT issues and social justice dialogue is happening, and where words are appropriated or discarded. Here in Chicago, a large swath of the LGBT population - and EVEN some straight hipstery folks - identify simply as "queer", refusing to use binaries. Queer culture is a booming part of the LGBT community, and yes, the word has 0 negative connotation in this part of the country.

What backwater redneck heteros think has never been a deciding factor in how culture evolves, thankfully.
 
OH YEAH, It's completely immaterial to my life what Huffpost calls things, amongst the people having a conniption over this is where you find the P.C.

I was just hoping to get to the broader question. I don't give a fuck that it happened to be Huffpost. I don't visit the page anymore but when I saw the change I was intrigued by the response. It's the factionism that's interesting to me. Queer is favored by more urban people (though in many ways I think their reasoning is a bit shaky), while the more traditional identifications persist almost regardless of population.

Like what you said, to you I'd blush to being called Nancy cocksucking faggot whore, just not to straight people. ;)
 
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