Hypocritical Democrats - The Call to Violence

[Jack Springer]

I would hope that most of you have heard James Hoffa's threat to Tea Party members on Labor Day.

I'm not sure what his reasoning is for the war he and the Teamsters Union are waging against the Tea Party.

Taking someone or a group of people "out" means killing them or defeating them in a physical way. I think, most people would believe that James' father Jimmy was taken "out", meaning he was murdered.

This appears to be the same "out" that Hoffa wants for the Tea Party.

So far no one on the left has apologized. Hoffa stands by his statement. Obama sees nothing wrong in what Hoffa said. Debbie Schultz, head of the DNC sees nothing wrong.

Doesn't anyone remember Tucson?

All the tough, vitriolic talk was supposed to stop.

I'm not a big fan of the Tea Party -- but they have taken a lot grief in the last month. They've been accused of wanting to lynch black people and been called racist, with no basis, by elected official.

It seems to me that the civl discourse that Obama and other liberals talk about is only a one way street.

Obama, once again, shows that he's a campaigner and not a leader in his response.

 

[andysayshi]

Since you didn't provide any reference or citation, I found one:

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-hoffa-carney-tea-party-20110906,0,1343002.story

While I agree that overheated rhetoric is a problem in both sides of US politics, I think Hoffa's intent is vastly overstated. The actual quote:

"Everybody here's got to vote," Hoffa said. "If we go back and keep the eye on the prize, let's take these sons of a bitches out and give America back to America where we belong!"

With a specific reference to voting, Hoffa is clearly not calling for violence. He want's to take the Tea Party out OF OFFICE.

That doesn't excuse his overly aggressive language, which is completely unnecessary, but to conflate this into a call for violence is over-reaching.

 

[White Eagle]

Thanks Andy, I agree.
Hoffa is not asking for violence, he wants everyone to vote the Tea Party wacktivists™ out of office.
I see you've been watching Fox Snooze again. They had the same response, with a little editing, which is par for them.

 

[jackoroe]

You really didn't expect anything better from a thug like Hoffa, did you? He's a knuckle dragging Neanderthal whose time has come and gone. He's little more than a pathetic caricature of his thug father. Obama being desperate for any support he can find, has quickly forgotten his call for civility and dutifully ignored this profane rant.

 

[cityboy-stl]

It sounds me like you are desperate for "gotcha points". He was clearly talking about voting them out. Come on.

 

[CFoTsD]

I thought it was the tea party who wanted to take America back. But this was a classless act by anyone introducing the president of the US

 

[vulgar_newcomer]

Knuckle dragging thug

says the man with a quote from Thomas Jefferson of a by gone day speaking of rulers and the use of violence in the 21st century with muskets and cannon balls in his signature.

Right on Jackaroe.

 

[CowboyBob]

OMG...... this is a new low, even for you Springer.

Remember this?

And this?

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6380799n

What a hypocritical Republican you are.

 

[opinterph]

Looking at the full text of the Hoffa speech, I count 7 instances of the word “war,” 3 instances of “fight,” and 2 each of “battle” and “army.”

There are only 2 instances of “vote.”

 

[T-Rexx]

Not only did Hoffa NOT threaten violence against anyone, but he isn't even a member of the Democratic Party!

Virtually nothing in the OP is correct.

 

[chuck10x]

Hoffa is the lefts answer to the Tea Party, Though he clearly said VOTE them out.
It is time that the Tea Party gets what they are giving.
No apology needed or wanted.

 

[CowboyBob]

Not only did Hoffa NOT threaten violence against anyone, but he isn't even a member of the Democratic Party!

Virtually nothing in the OP is correct.

So true. Virtually nothing the OP posts is correct.

Since Springer is so shocked at Hoffa's statement (and it's conjecture on Springers part as he says it "appears" to be the same "out"....) shall we read about others who advocate violence?

http://republicanheretic.wordpress.com/2010/03/25/tea-party-violence-and-conservative-threats/

http://blogs.reuters.com/frontrow/2...t-wants-gop-apology-for-threats-and-violence/

http://www.seiu.org/2010/03/glenn-beck-and-republican-violence.php

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-bl...rise-republicans-should-condemn-rush-limbaugh

http://limbaughbook.blogspot.com/2011/01/today-is-rush-limbaughs-60th-birthday.html

http://tenthltr2u.wordpress.com/201...d-violent-threats-toward-obama-dem-lawmakers/

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/right-wing-violence-threats-are-rise

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txU55iFG9UA[/ame]

I can post more links of how the hypocrite Republicans advocate violence for you Springer.

 

[White Eagle]

Knuckle dragging thug

says the man with a quote from Thomas Jefferson of a by gone day speaking of rulers and the use of violence in the 21st century with muskets and cannon balls in his signature.

Right on Jackaroe.

Way to go Newcomer!!!!! Something I didn't see in his signature. He is dissing violence while promoting it!!!!

 

[CFoTsD]

I'm just curious, for those posters who appear to support Hoffa and his speech.

Do you believe this was the proper way to introduce the POTUS? Last I checked this was an official presidential event, not a campaign rally.

 

[construct]

I'm just curious, for those posters who appear to support Hoffa and his speech.

Do you believe this was the proper way to introduce the POTUS? Last I checked this was an official presidential event, not a campaign rally.

As to substance, I would classify Hoffa's remarks as a campaign speech. If that's what it was, it was a fine one. Does that help?

 

[andysayshi]

Knuckle dragging thug

says the man with a quote from Thomas Jefferson of a by gone day speaking of rulers and the use of violence in the 21st century with muskets and cannon balls in his signature.

Right on Jackaroe.

Fair point.

 

[CFoTsD]

As to substance, I would classify Hoffa's remarks as a campaign speech. If that's what it was, it was a fine one. Does that help?

No It was classless to use "SOB" therefore improper when the POTUS is on the stage. Not to mention the vitriolic language.

Also, president Obama does a good job of being the president of all Americans not just the left leaning ones.

 

[andysayshi]

Looking at the full text of the Hoffa speech, I count 7 instances of the word “war,” 3 instances of “fight,” and 2 each of “battle” and “army.”

There are only 2 instances of “vote.”

A strong point, Opinterph, and it leaves me conflicted. I think Hoffa's words are needlessly aggressive, but in his defence I will say that, reading the entire speech and taking all those words in context, I don't take away from it a call to anything violent. He is clearly talking about votes, about "November 2012" etc.

Use of words like "battle" and "war" are just as common from sport commentators and corporate discussions about competitor's brands.

 

[White Eagle]

Exactly!! Thank you!!

 

[construct]

No It was classless to use "SOB" therefore improper when the POTUS is on the stage. Not to mention the vitriolic language.

Also, president Obama does a good job of being the president of all Americans not just the left leaning ones.

The "SOB" point is well-taken. Otherwise, I don't have a problem with the vitriolic language in a campaign speech, and the remarks appear to be specifically addressed to union members. Unions can be pretty good at turning out campaign volunteers, and after reading the speech, I can understand why.