I am religious and Gay.. how do i survive without sex?

[TX-Beau]

Next time you are looking for personal advice - go post in CO&R. This is a discussion of religion forum - don't be surprised when people - shock - start discussing religion. Over in the other forum, the focus is on you.

 

[Telstra]

When someone doesn't agree with your believes it is called "abuse" ?

 

[zoltanspawn]

Oh well.

Perhaps this thread will mean something to someone else?

Here's a short excerpt from the Progressive Muslims' page I linked above. Mighty interesting, and I hope an inspiration to anyone struggling to reconcile their natural love with their faith...

Does Islam say anything specifically about homosexuality?

No. First of all, we can not say “Islam says…” or “the Islamic law says…” because only people speak. Islam itself can not say anything. So where can we look for answers? We can look in the Qur’an, which is the basis of Islam. The Qur’an does not even mention the word “homosexuality,” though. It does not refer to gays, lesbians, or bisexuals. In fact, scholars had to come up with a term for homosexuality in Arabic. They came up with al-shudhudh al-jinsi, a phrase that means “sexually rare or unusual.” If the Qur’an mentioned homosexuality by name, scholars would have simply used that term.

Did the Prophet know of any kinds of sexual or gender diversity?

Yes. There were men in Arab society at the time of the Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) who fit the Qur’an’s description of “men who are not in need of women.” A detailed study of early Islamic literature also showed that the Prophet accepted men called mukhanath. Mukhanath were men who were seen as “acting like women”—they might be considered transgender today or they might have been gay men whose sexual orientation was seen as making them “like women.”

The Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) seemed to recognize these men were different from others. His wife, Umm Salama, had a mukhanath friend named Hit. Unlike other men, Hit was allowed to enter both men’s space and women’s space—Muhammad even trusted the mukhanath enough to let him enter the private women’s space of the Prophet’s household.

Did the Prophet ever punish anyone for homosexuality or homosexual acts?

No. After the Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) died, his companions once discussed whether to punish a person for homosexuality. If the Prophet had ever done so, his companions would have simply referred to his decision. Since they didn’t know what to do, we know that the Prophet gave them no example to follow.

 

[ludolfo]

thank you every one for help and replies but someone start putting abuse my religion and my belives on the bases of anti islamic websites who provide wrong information.. i think i could not go further because i am not here to preach any thing or to ans those who does not belive in religion, i was here to get some help and some how i got ..


any ways have a good day every one

Ohhh Handsome. I am not gonna pull punches with you. You are a BALL OF CONFUSION! It was you that came here with your problem. We didn't drag you here. What do you expect? That we are not gonna question the cult that has got you by the neck? I call Christianity a cult. THEY ARE CULTS! Don't be misled they are not because cultures are formed around them and millions of people are hypnotized by them (and by the way I don't think myself a 'atheist' neither if that means scientific materialism and humanism. Which is also a cult).

Of COURSE you have to freakin question your belief. THAT is what is screwing up yer sex life! You have to question it. OTHERWISE you believe that absolute nonsense you quoted from your patriarchal book above about how humans are supposed to have come to be. it is complete and utter absurd laughable nonsense.

The best direct and most loving advice you have had in this thread is from the person's advice you most feared, Mariatenebre, and caused you to flee.

QUESTION! Question your indoctrination and keep at it. That is the only way you are gonna escape its icy grip that is ruining your life.

 

[Brian Smith]

Next time you are looking for personal advice - go post in CO&R. This is a discussion of religion forum - don't be surprised when people - shock - start discussing religion. Over in the other forum, the focus is on you.

No, I think he was actually grateful for some good discussion he had gotten upthread.

I actually ended up learning a fair bit about Islam. Apparently, the Hadiths are often somewhat apocryphal, and each sect seems to have a somewhat different collection of Hadiths to support their particular system of belief. The Quran seems to be the more readable of the documents, and I'm gradually starting to congeal a somewhat better grasp on the text and its aims.

 

[Chrizze]

Well,I am not specialist about doctrines of Islam,But Myself,I am Christian,and gay,and I have resolved this problem by realising,that in bible,Jesus did not mention anything about this.I am not sure,if something similar can be found as resolution to your problem.Does Prophet Muhammad himself mentioning anything about this? My personal opinion is,that there will be hard time for you to be without sex,if you enter into relationship of any sort.

PS. I do own translation of Holy Quran,and commentary to it,and some other material..because Christianity,Islam,and Judaism are all abrahamic religions,and have common history.

 

[ludolfo]

Well,I am not specialist about doctrines of Islam,But Myself,I am Christian,and gay,and I have resolved this problem by realising,that in bible,Jesus did not mention anything about this.I am not sure,if something similar can be found as resolution to your problem.Does Prophet Muhammad himself mentioning anything about this? My personal opinion is,that there will be hard time for you to be without sex,if you enter into relationship of any sort.

PS. I do own translation of Holy Quran,and commentary to it,and some other material..because Christianity,Islam,and Judaism are all abrahamic religions,and have common history.

Yes there can be alternative ways that JUST giving up one's chosen belief, I suppose, and that is understanding it NOT to be against your sexuality. I understand there are Christians who are quite happy to be gay in gay relationships.

 

[Chrizze]

Yes,There is,and I have pleasure to know many of such couple.

 

[mbamike]

Handsome, my heart goes out to you! I faced a similar situation when I faced the fact that I am gay. My religion is Christian and it is very important to me. I had to study and pray for find myself approved of God. Most of the fundamental interpretations of the Scriptures say it is a sin and an abomination for me to have sex with another man. Yet, why do I have these sexual desires for man sex?

I do not know the Quran. So, I can not offer you any verse other than that I will remember you in my prayers. I hope you will find the answer you seek as I have found the answer that I sought.

 

[ludolfo]

notice these control-freaks don't scream about men tearing each other apart--ie war!! But are up-in-arms if two mean get all liquidy together. I would love to burn their books. They would be LOST!

 

[palemale]

Lolz i was not forced to be in Madrasa, actually my family was not in support that i go to madrasa to learn Quran, thats why they put me in a school who also teach Quran (because i forced them) i have interest to go to Madrasa because some of my friend did, otherwise my family did not happy ever that i go there where the student of all kind came.. so just remove that thing that i have ever forced for some thing and guess what, if i told my family that i am a Gay then i am 99% sure they will not have any problem with it as my father use to support such kind of TV shows when people talk about homosexual people or those who changed their gender

that religious stuff is purly to me because i am so near to religion and thats why i am here to ask for help!

I did not read through the whole thread, so I do not know if I am repeating anyone. However, I am quite certain that you will be a happier and mentally healthier man if you learn to survive without religion instead of sex.

Religion is a malignant force in the world. In recent years, this has been particularly true in Muslim countries. Luckily, in much of the western world, religion is a dying institution and our religious lunatics are quickly losing influence (although not nearly fast enough here in the United States). Good luck and go get laid!