I can't get religious gay people!

[Rusty Crown]

How do you deal with the guilt? How could you accept yourself like that? How do you trust someone who made you to be born with "that sin"? Someone whom even no one have seen or know whether he does exist or not. I can't imagine how anyone would live with that for a long term! Yeah I know Jesus didn't say anything about sex orientation, but Paul did, and Jesus himself said it in the old testament when he was Father! And muslims! seriously!...,like, SERIOUSLY!



I'm not judging any of you and I respect your choices and support your right to take them. but I really want to understand.

 

[G-Lexington]

Well, Christianity - as a basic belief system - is more flexible than one would assume based on what you hear from televangelists. Few people say the mass in Latin anymore, few insist on women wearing hats, and so forth. And reading up on the early days of the Church is both fascinating (to me anyway) and quite informative, as everybody tried to figure out "what it all meant". It wasn't as clear cut as anybody seems to make it out to be.

I know several gay Christians, and they've managed to reconcile both aspects of their life. Their main issue is dealing with people on one side trying to convince them that they have to give up the other.

>>>How do you trust someone who made you to be born with "that sin"? Someone whom even no one have seen or know whether he does exist or not. I can't imagine how anyone would live with that for a long term!...I'm not judging any of you and I respect your choices and support your right to take them...

Yeah, sort of not believing that last bit.

Lex

 

[Mr-Brooding]

Like with everything else in my life, I only take what I like and live by it. I think most of the Bible is beautiful, so I live by what I think is right. I throw the rest away. LIKE PECAN PIE! I love the filling, not the pecans. So I pick them off.. But now I like the pecans, too, so that's not a good example.

 

[oakpope]

I'm Catholic, but I don't view living a gay life as a sin.
The Old Testament contains many things, some beautiful, some utter crap (marrying virgin only, slavery, etc etc).

Paul is only adjacent to the New Testament and he was writing to precise communities about precise problems. I am not the only one thinking his condemnation of MM sex was more a condemnation of the practice of male rape as a sign of military victory or clan dominance, as actual condemnation of real same sex love. Condemning love (when all are consenting obviously) is a complete non sense for any Christian.

So I am perfectly at ease being a gay Catholic. (and in History Christian Church has not always been anti gay, mind you). It's when religion is mixed with cultural tradition and politics that things get sour rapidly.

 

[MoufOfKhaos]

By believing that their god made them in his image and going from there without believing all the hypocritical bullshit that comes from others.

Even I can see that.

 

[lostone89]

a friend of mine sent me a link to a blog that I guess he found online, but i thought it as enlightening on the religious gay situation. this is it:

truthhiding.blogspot.com/

 

[gaypiper]

What they all said plus this... Don't assume that all Gay religious folk believe what those fundamentalist shitheads believe and say. The God we follow loves unconditionally

 

[MMMonsterBoy]

I'm not religious, but what I gather is that religious people take away what they want to. Especially if it portrays them in a better light

 

[Quantumreading]

What they all said plus this... Don't assume that all Gay religious folk believe what those fundamentalist shitheads believe and say. The God we follow loves unconditionally

A God that obviously doesn't exist.

 

[oakpope]

A God that obviously doesn't exist.

There is no proof of His existence nor proof of His non existence.
"Obviously" is obviously not so obvious, and the only logical stance on the matter is agnosticism. But religion is based on Faith and not on Reason or Logic.

You have all the rights to believe that God doesn't exist. As I have the right to believe He exists. Both are beliefs.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

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happy porn day

thankyou

 

[vulgar_newcomer]

Like with everything else in my life, I only take what I like and live by it. I think most of the Bible is beautiful, so I live by what I think is right. I throw the rest away. LIKE PECAN PIE! I love the filling, not the pecans. So I pick them off.. But now I like the pecans, too, so that's not a good example.

That is the problem with organized religion. People pick and choose what they want to believe and they don't.
Just like the hundreds of expensive road signs that are ignored or not even understood in the first place. There can be 12 signs in as many miles stating the speed limit is 60 mph but everyone chooses what they feel comfortable with like 75 or 80. However when the cop gives you a ticket for doing 75 in a 60 zone you have no defense. What is law is what is law.

 

[Kulindahr]

If you could get some, what would you do with them?

 

[Kulindahr]

How do you deal with the guilt? How could you accept yourself like that? How do you trust someone who made you to be born with "that sin"? Someone whom even no one have seen or know whether he does exist or not. I can't imagine how anyone would live with that for a long term! Yeah I know Jesus didn't say anything about sex orientation, but Paul did, and Jesus himself said it in the old testament when he was Father!

1. Paul didn't say anything at all about sexual orientation.
2. There's nothing in the Old Testament about sexual orientation.
3. Jesus was never "Father".

I'm not judging any of you and I respect your choices and support your right to take them. but I really want to understand.

I asked what a revelation from a rational Creator would like like. I looked at the existing claims. The Bible fit best.

Not the caricature the fundamentalists and reactionaries make of the Bible, but the Bible as it would have been heard by the original audiences.

 

[Kulindahr]

What they all said plus this... Don't assume that all Gay religious folk believe what those fundamentalist shitheads believe and say. The God we follow loves unconditionally

And expects us to use our brains. Remember, arguably the biggest compliment given to any Christians in the New Testament was that they didn't accept what the Apostle Paul said, but got our their Bibles and looked into it.

The ones who think God manufactures sin aren't doing that.

 

[G-Lexington]

>>>If you could get some, what would you do with them?

I'm guessing the answer would involve either "getting them to go down on their knees" or "come to Jesus".

Lex

 

[Quantumreading]

There is no proof of His existence nor proof of His non existence.
"Obviously" is obviously not so obvious, and the only logical stance on the matter is agnosticism. But religion is based on Faith and not on Reason or Logic.

You have all the rights to believe that God doesn't exist. As I have the right to believe He exists. Both are beliefs.

However, there is evidence that Christianity and all other major religions are completely false. I'm sure you've heard this before, but the Bible says the Earth is merely 6,000 years old. We know that isn't factually possible. There is far more scientific fallacies in the Bible than there are scientific discoveries.

There very well may be a higher power, I won't deny that there is for sure. I guess that does make me an Agnostic, although I define myself as an Atheist. However, your God and any other God of an established religion are simply made up by man to comfort themselves. It is rather obvious if you have the guts to find out that your life has been based on a complete and utter lie, by researching archaeological findings.

Did you know Christianity, Islam, and Judaism's original religion was polytheistic? You can be spiritual all you want. However, choosing to believe in something that has been proven numerous times to be false is simply ignorant.

Although I don't blame you for wanting to suck Jesus' cock up in heaven, he was rather attractive.

 

[oakpope]

Would you do me a huge favor and look in a dictionary the definitions of metaphor, symbol, parable, interpretation, please ?

"There is far more scientific fallacies in the Bible than there are scientific discoveries."
I would be a fool if I searched for scientific fact in the Bible, as I would be a fool to try to prove scientifically that God doesn't exist.

Science answers the how, religion the why. Even Hawking can't give me the answer to this simple question : why the universe exists ?

"However, choosing to believe in something that has been proven numerous times to be false is simply ignorant."
I'm rather proud to be among people, artists, spiritualists, scientists, writers, business men, doctors, engineers who can distinguish between reason and faith.
You have no means to prove that my Faith is wrong, as you know nothing of it, and I say it is not based on reason or facts. It's Faith. Trying to use Reason to "prove" that something that is outside Reason is true or false is as meaningless as counting the sand grains on a beach.

"Although I don't blame you for wanting to suck Jesus' cock up in heaven, he was rather attractive" : it was surely an attempt at joking, it sounded to me rather vulgar though.

 

[figjam]

How do you deal with the guilt? How could you accept yourself like that? How do you trust someone who made you to be born with "that sin"? Someone whom even no one have seen or know whether he does exist or not. I can't imagine how anyone would live with that for a long term! Yeah I know Jesus didn't say anything about sex orientation, but Paul did, and Jesus himself said it in the old testament when he was Father! And muslims! seriously!...,like, SERIOUSLY!



I'm not judging any of you and I respect your choices and support your right to take them. but I really want to understand.

Why is that bothering you?!

 

[Kulindahr]

However, there is evidence that Christianity and all other major religions are completely false. I'm sure you've heard this before, but the Bible says the Earth is merely 6,000 years old.

No, it doesn't. It doesn't give any age for the earth. I've read it in English, Spanish, Greek, and Hebrew, and there aren't any dates in there.

We know that isn't factually possible. There is far more scientific fallacies in the Bible than there are scientific discoveries.

There aren't even any scientific claims in the Bible. How do you find "scientific fallacies" in a book that doesn't make scientific claims? Do you analyze Jon Stewart's "Daily Show" for scientific accuracy? how about the Congressional Record?

There very well may be a higher power, I won't deny that there is for sure. I guess that does make me an Agnostic, although I define myself as an Atheist. However, your God and any other God of an established religion are simply made up by man to comfort themselves. It is rather obvious if you have the guts to find out that your life has been based on a complete and utter lie, by researching archaeological findings.

Archaeology confirms the Bible pretty darned well. I even had the privilege of helping translate messages sent by Israelite outposts as Shishak/Sheshonk marched north attacking Israel. They've found Solomon's stables as well.

Did you know Christianity, Islam, and Judaism's original religion was polytheistic? You can be spiritual all you want. However, choosing to believe in something that has been proven numerous times to be false is simply ignorant.

Even Richard Dawkins will tell you it hasn't been "proven... false".