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I don't have a problem with gay men as long as they don't force it on me!

Yeah basically anyone who makes this comment is implying that gay men are more likely to be rapists than straight guys.
 
Religion, as in Christianity today, is surreal....how about that? Does that satisfy the definition of what DJ1990 meant? I certainly understood his intent and I agree with him. All about the money and the power just as it has always been.....brain-washing the ignorant and scared masses. Big hoax.
 
In 9th grade, my geography teacher said she didn't mind gay people as long as they weren't "gay in front of her."

I sat in the front of the class in front of her.

I asked her (quite bravely) after class what she meant when she said that. And she said, "You know, if they're kissing and stuff--yuck!"

It was demoralizing. Words do hurt. This was in 1998. It's such a different time now with some of the positive messages you see in the media. On the other hand, I know that there are still places, like the place I lived, where this and much worse still happens. I was at the time looking for any message that people acknowledge gay people could simply be OK as existing. That society would somehow allow that. But in the very small, southern town I grew up in, which was highly religious, I honestly felt like people would have shot me had they known the thoughts I was trying to hide even from myself. I felt like being gay was worse than being the devil to these people--and these were people who wouldn't have taken kindly to the devil.

Anyhow, sorry to turn a thread like this to something sad. It's just that that phrase brings back this memory. It's interesting how phrases like that don't seem like such a big deal but to a child they very much could be a huge deal.
 
Anyhow, sorry to turn a thread like this to something sad. It's just that that phrase brings back this memory. It's interesting how phrases like that don't seem like such a big deal but to a child they very much could be a huge deal.
Don't be sorry, 1234, you have every right to turn a thread like this into whatever you like. A strong thread will always have diverse and contrasting opinions with a variety of light or humorous entries as well as thought provoking and touching posts. Never be sorry for making your mark, either here or out there.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts. Oddly enough, it reminded me of my own tour of 9th grade geography. My teaher was named Ms. Müeller, and she had a deep gravelly voice kinda like Demi Moore had back when she was one of the Brat Pack -- remember? Or kinda like Debra Winger in Urban Cowboy, anyway, I degress, but Müeller hit me as being masculine and one night I had a dream where she made a guest appearance. It's sort of embarrassing but she had a penis in my dream, and I could never look at her the same after that. I even developed a mild crush on her after she gave me an A- in her Greek Mythology seminar.

[STRIKE]God[/STRIKE]Zeus, I miss 9th grade sometimes. If I only knew then what I know now, and had all this cash back then hehe...

Sorry I hijacked the thread, I'll shut up now.
 
Isn't this the very definition of homophobia? :rolleyes:


And just because someone is gay, why is it an automatic assumption that he is forcing homosexuality on people? Just because you're a guy doesn't mean I think about sucking your cock. :rolleyes:

They are thinking in a sense of homosexuality being forced upon them the way heterosexuality is forced upon....everybody. Homosexuality chips away at heterosexual dominance and social mores.
 
By "forcing it on" them, they mean they don't want to have to confront the fact that it exists in their world, that something they've been told their entire lives is abhorrent and lewd is something people seem to enjoy. They mean they don't want to see two men holding hands and have to hold themselves back from shouting obscenities and insults. They mean they don't want to have to give up ANOTHER lesser social group to bully and provide a false sense of superiority to.
 
LOL. I love that line. People who say that generally tend to have a very wide definition of forcing it on them. If you kiss your boyfriend in the vicinity of them, that's forcing it on them. If you mention a dude you checked out that is forcing it on them. Silly straights.

Then again, sometimes they say it with good measure. I had some very cool straight friends hanging out with me one day when I introduced them to some gay friends... and those gay friends did try to force it on them. Not cool. And it makes us all look bad.
 
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I suppose the greatest difference between an organized religion (like Evangelical Christianity and Catholicism) and homosexuality is the fact that being gay never leaves one's being. We are gay each and every moment of every day, but religion seems to be something many believers (and I'm using that term loosely here) crank up on Sunday morning and then don't bother with the rest of the week. It's like some sort of show for the in-laws and bosses. I know there are dedicated individuals that believe whole [half]heartedly to almost the point of absurdity, but that's not the status quo.

And let's face it, a butt load of God's lambs have gone astray and I can't see Him wrangling them back in any time soon...we'll see what happens on December 12, 2012. If the earth is still here the next day, He might even lose a bunch of those fanatics that can't wait for the End Of Days so they can finally ride their golden cloud up into heaven while the shrieking screams from the rest of us heathen sinners that dared believe in science or Buddha or Allah, get fainter and fainter. Can you imagine how those first few days in heaven will be after Jesus returns for the righteous right? All everyone will be talking about is how they told us so! And they tried to warn us about this or that, about the premarital sex, masturbation, cigarettes, booze and not cleaning our fucking room -- those little everyday things that constitute sin and all it's components.

Seriously?

Just what the hell does "Judge not, lest ye be judged" mean anyway? It seems like one of those things that can be taken out of context and remain just as effective, but certain Christians feel some sort of obligation to ignore the fundamental meaning of that line for the more spiritually elevating and immediate impact stuff like digging for reasons us gay dudes are gonna burn in the fire and brimsto... oh, piss on it! Don't nobody gonna be burning ferfucksake! Not on my watch!

And furthermore, I'm not gonna burn any quicker than Jerry Falwell or John Paul II, and nobody is gonna ever convince me I am! They lost my attention when I was leaving a Church function one afternoon (yeah, I was raised Catholic/don't judge me!) as an adolescent and a couple of bigger kids started beating the shit outta me right there in front of the steps of the cathedral (hallowed ground?pffft! my ass it is!), while a crowd of other kids gathered around egging them on and some of the Church elders stood only a few yards away letting it happen for what seemed like forever before nonchalantly telling them to ease up. I guess I was getting 'dangerously close to a law suit' bloody, so they intervened. Well, I lost a great deal of respect for humanity that day, and I never went back to church for the "show" again. I was thirteen. Oh, I've been there for funerals, and an occasional baptism, and once a few years ago on turkey dinner night but I'll never place my trust in blind faith again. Not when so many of the players aren't playing by the rules and never intend to.

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I don't know if this is fair, otherwise we'd all be doing everything we accept.

I mean, I can agree to let all religions exist provided that a.) mine can also exist and b.) I don't have to practice them all apart from the one I choose.

Surely that is acceptance even though it has qualifiers?

-d-

That would be tolerance not acceptance. You tolerate other religions, sure. But you do not accept them, otherwise you would practice them.

The person who made the statement seems to be mildly or reluctantly tolerant, not accepting.
 
Isn't this the very definition of homophobia? :rolleyes:

No that is a definition of a man who is not comfortable with his sexuality. A homophobe does not like gay people, although some will say so to not make themselves look bad in mixed company. Homophobes do have problems with gay people, usually fearing that they are gay. I view homophobia more as a fear that you will realized that you are gay.
 
I don't have a problem with str8 men as long as they don't force it on me! The problem is they force it on me 100%, all day, everywhere, since youth, forerver and ever. Disgusting. I need to puke.
 
One of my straight friends was discussing one of our mutual gay friends and used the phrase, so I asked him what he meant by that (he seems to not think of me as gay). Turns out he's not offended by gay men coming on to him (he's an attention whore), or guys showing PDAs, but he took offence to our friend always talking about sex. Like he said, if he's interested in a subject he'll talk about it for hours, but he has no interest in talking about guy on guy sex. He defines sex talk as 'gayness' being 'forced' on him.
 
"...because then I become tempted to get me some of that hot hot man sex."

Like I said, just cut to the chase. Give them a blowjob.

Lex
 
Ehh,just wear this in front of those people..

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"I don't have a problem with gay men as long as they don't force it on me"
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"I'm really a bigot, but please don't say it to my face,"

I mean, when hasn't heterosexuality been forced down our throats?
 
To your point Mikami, I think when truly str8 men say that, they're afraid gay men will see and treat them the way they see and treat women.
 
i somewhat agree with the statement (based on how i'm reading it in my head)

kinda like i don't mind hanging out with a vegan, as long as he doesn't constantly tell me how bad meat is and how horrible it is to swallow milk, all the while telling me stories of their pork-free lifestyle.

that example is actually perfect for what i'm thinking.
 
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