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i need white people's perspective on this

The public education system is part of the perpetuation of this ignorance, if I went solely by what was taught to me in school, slavery was hardly a blip on American history's radar, just a few years where people were a little mean to black people. That's what I would think if I didn't know better and study outside of school.
Please don't blame it on the public education. Teachers aren't suppose to act as parents. Plenty of other races got it up the ass by white people as well. Hell, they raped each other up the ass for centuries. They still do.

I find it disturbing that people aren't talking more about the birth rates out of wedlock and into poverty within the black community. I find it equally disturbing that black people seem to don't see anything wrong with the dropout rates among black youths.

Has it occurred to you that the reason misogyny, violence, and everything else that seems to be wrong with the BET awards that you pointed out were on the air and cheered was because those appeal most to black people? Priorities seem to be misplaced here.
 
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My problem with BET is what it became, when I was growing up BET had shows like Teen Summit that talked about higher education, sexual health, it had Caribbean Island that played various music types, now BET is just MTV dipped in chocolate (which makes sense since Viacom owns it now) it's all raunchy ghetto dating shows and reality shows and exaltation of everything gangsta and hoodrat. How can that be celebrated?
 
Just curious. Does the black community at large know that about 70% of births by black women last year were out of wedlock and paid for by Medicaid?

Added by edit.

I don't think you'll see too many objective responses here. The politically correct rule this forum, and it trumps the truth.

By "PC" do you mean people that would give you shit for asking a question like that? One that doesn't have anything to do with what has been asked in the OP?


Actually it does (minus the Medicaid aspect)

I'm half white, so I guess I can offer half a perspective.

The things that stick out ie crime, illegitimate births, violence..........that's not "The Black Community".........it's the douchebag community, which is made up of every conceivable racial mix.

It seems to me.......that people who were working so hard for racial/social equality just threw in the towel in the mid 80's. We had a rise in racist groups, and a government that either supported them (for votes) or stood silently by. And we had a social change in the form of rap, where everything associated with personal responsibility was considered giving in to the man. Anyone who dares suggest people (regardless of race) need to get their shit together is savaged.
 
Actually it does (minus the Medicaid aspect)

I'm half white, so I guess I can offer half a perspective.

The things that stick out ie crime, illegitimate births, violence..........that's not "The Black Community".........it's the douchebag community, which is made up of every conceivable racial mix.

It seems to me.......that people who were working so hard for racial/social equality just threw in the towel in the mid 80's. We had a rise in racist groups, and a government that either supported them (for votes) or stood silently by. And we had a social change in the form of rap, where everything associated with personal responsibility was considered giving in to the man. Anyone who dares suggest people (regardless of race) need to get their shit together is savaged.
You are obfuscating the issue. Yes, the douchbag population is made up of all races. But the black community seems to be contributing quite a bit of it. What do I mean? Births paid for by Medicaid and out of wedlock by Asian Americans only accounted for 5% of all births by Asians. For whites, it's about 21%. But for blacks, it jumps up to a whopping 70%. I still don't understand the reluctance to see that there's something seriously wrong here. What do you think happens to most of these kids who will grow up in poverty and having no adequate support?
 
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I think...when people have no prospect of improving their "lives", they will eventually embrace it - and even celebrate it.
Sort of a psychological survival. Making themselves believe it really IS the way to live, and then flaunting it in the most aggressive way. As if it were a choice. I think people like to be in control of their lives, good or bad.

I'm just thinking out loud here, I have no evidence whatsoever and I probably shouldn't have posted this in the first place.
 
I think...when people have no prospect of improving their "lives", they will eventually embrace it - and even celebrate it.
Sort of a psychological survival. Making themselves believe it really IS the way to live, and then flaunting it in the most aggressive way. As if it were a choice. I think people like to be in control of their lives, good or bad.

I'm just thinking out loud here, I have no evidence whatsoever and I probably shouldn't have posted this in the first place.

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Actually, it does. A lot of things contribute to the problems the OP pointed out and asked about. The lack of care and responsibility many in the black community exhibit seems to me to be a major cause. Misogyny is prevalent because black women allow it. Again, 70% of births in the black community were given put of wedlock and paid for by Medicaid. Don't try to pretend it's got nothing to do with the prevalent attitude in the black subculture today.

I'm not pretending, the problem is that these problems aren't exclusive to the black community. Misogyny is doesn't just exist in the black community and it seems to be a bit of a blanket statement to claim that Black women allow it, there are more factors than that.

I can't say anything about the attitude in the black community because I am not black and I will admit ignorance to the attitude because I don't live amongst a black community. I live in a mixed one. The only thing I would have to go on is the caricatures that the media represents and that isn't something I am gonna follow.

Be all PC all you want. Nothing will get solved if you refuse to see how everything that is wrong with the current black subculture is interconnected. When 70% of all births in your community are given outside of wedlock and paid for by Medicaid, then there is something seriously wrong with the cultural attitude of your people.

I don't understand why being out of wedlock is a problem when having a child, when the problem would be having too many children where one wouldn't be able to properly take care of the children. None of these issues will be resolved when it comes to having an unbalanced social/economical class system that unfortunately US is very set in.

Please don't blame it on the public education. Teachers aren't suppose to act as parents. Plenty of other races got it up the ass by white people as well. Hell, they raped each other up the ass for centuries. They still do.

It has nothing to do with Teachers raising kids and everything to do with a proper truthful education. When I was in school and in history class there were definitely things taught for the sole purpose of taking a test, which to me is a failure in education. There are a lot of things in life in general that I think should be taught in school to better prepare kids for life after it. Which I won't go into because it isn't the sole point of this thread.
 
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Seriously though I worry for a lot of black youth. Ones that have potential but get swayed by a pop culture that promotes the opposite of self-betterment.
 
...so i'm guessing the Teen Choice Awards advances the white race?
 
I'm not pretending, the problem is that these problems aren't exclusive to the black community. Misogyny is doesn't just exist in the black community and it seems to be a bit of a blanket statement to claim that Black women allow it, there are more factors than that.
Again, you are obfuscating the issue. Sure, it happens in other races, too. But you make it sound like they're on equal footings.

Let me repeat. Last year 70% of all black children were born to single moms in the black community. Compare that to 5% in the Asian American community.

Let me try to explain why you're obfuscating. I have money. Romney has money. Therefore, I have just as much money as Romney. You see how you combined 2 true statements to make a false statement by ignoring the numbers?

The other part of my message is even though the number of black children are born to single moms are off the roof, notice how people are pretending it's got nothing to do with the poverty rate, the unemployment rate, the violence and misogyny that exist in the black subculture, etc. Even the OP refuses to see this as a problem. 70% is a huge number. Black people just ignore it and white people are too afraid to be called racist to acknowledge it. And we wonder why the black community has the problems that it does.


And why is it a problem you ask? Because these people are pumping out kids they can't afford. Are we going to pretend this is not related to the gangsta attitude among black youths and the dropout rates?
 
I stopped at "BET awards"

Given the fact that BLACK is the first word in BET, it doesn't surprise me that you "stopped" reading and/or lost concern as soon as the topic became apparent. :rolleyes:


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Seriously though I worry for a lot of black youth. Ones that have potential but get swayed by a pop culture that promotes the opposite of self-betterment.

What the hell do you care? You chase after white cawk and feel nothing but "disgust" for your fellow black men. Why are you even on this thread anyway? Shouldn't you be at a rock concert with MoufOfMalcontent?
 
1. What is black culture?
2. Who is a participant in it?
3. American history (you and I at least are Americans wifey) makes me *really* uncomfortable hearing the negative observations of "white people" on "black culture." (If ever there was a useful moment to say that I descend from 7/8 ethnic groups in 7/8 generations and am married to a white dude, immediately after the preceding sentence seems it.)

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I think "black culture" (these are scare quotes, but I'm seriously not sure what the thing is) is broken; but I think the precise spots where it is broken are the spots where American culture in general is broken. It's just at a more acute stage among the descendants of enslaved Africans.
 
Actually, it does. A lot of things contribute to the problems the OP pointed out and asked about. The lack of care and responsibility many in the black community exhibit seems to me to be a major cause. Misogyny is prevalent because black women allow it. Again, 70% of births in the black community were given put of wedlock and paid for by Medicaid. Don't try to pretend it's got nothing to do with the prevalent attitude in the black subculture today.

The first step to solving any kind of problem is to recognize it, not try to bury it in a sea of political correctness. The vulgarity we see in black entertainment is there because... ding ding ding most black people like to watch that shit. It reinforces the belief among black people that misogyny is normal, that they can have unprotected sex all they want and not take responsibility when babies pop out, that the black woman attitude somehow makes it ok for black women to be loud and rude to the rest of us in a crowded setting, etc.

Be all PC all you want. Nothing will get solved if you refuse to see how everything that is wrong with the current black subculture is interconnected. When 70% of all births in your community are given outside of wedlock and paid for by Medicaid, then there is something seriously wrong with the cultural attitude of your people.

As soon as you had made the comment at the end of your first post about how the forum doesn't allow "the truth", I knew a pile of manure like this was waiting to come out because "the truth" when mentioned by someone who rails against "political correctness" always translates as: the simplistic non-nuanced view of the world and its complex social problems one would have if he shared my exact prejudices, bigotry, cultural lens and worldview (which is "the truth"/"telling it like it is") and that the less anyone questions or challenges the simplicity and prejudice which shapes how I selectively view these issues, the closer we're actually getting to "the real facts."

It's a bunch of manure spouted by racists, regressives, and people with little or no education or depth of understanding of almost any complex cultural or social issue who nevertheless believe that their unqualified naked eye and prejudiced brain filter is a lot more accurate than research or facts or conclusions which reflect all of the variables and not just the ones a bigot considers relevant.

One example? You harp multiple times about the illegitimate birth rate and you immediately, with utterly no qualification, launch into blaming this directly on black individuals and black culture and black "attitudes." Surely it's just PC nonsense for one to step back and ask the question "Is it not likely that sex education, access to condoms or birth control, and stable family units would all be less common in poor neighborhoods or poor demographics?" Surely it would equally be just PC nonsense to presume that out of whites with a similar level of access to education quality and a similar economic stratum would have rates of various social ills within the same general universe. And whether those questions would or would not change the conclusion, it would be an obligation of anyone actually interested in "the truth" to think of them, research them, and have their conclusion reflect the answers before jumping to concluding that black people themselves (regardless of status or wealth or location) exist in some separate culture, divorced from white or mainstream culture or values or influences, which raises them all to believe it's okay to treat women like trash, knock women up and leave them or whatever other idea it is you're pushing here-- and that these things are all particular to that black culture.

Nothing you've ever said or posted on these kinds of topics reflects any level of willingness to consider nuance or objective comparison and instead, like most bigots, rushes to the simplest possible bottom line based on one or two stats you pull out of an overall social picture and insist on applying one pre-inclined conclusion out of, without qualification and without any examination of other variables. We see a high rate of anything bad affecting black people? Don't consider economic status. Don't consider educational level. Don't consider how poverty affects the family unit and family stability or safe sex practices. Don't consider how access to employment affects deadbeat dad-ism or evasion of childcare. Those are all questions PC people just use to obfuscate the issue and stop us from getting to "the truth" that these things are all actually linked inherently with blackness and black thinking.

Meanwhile not one of my white cousins from the midwest finished high school and none went any later than 17 before having kids, and all of them used extensive periods of various types of social assistance-- I wonder what black people taught them to do that, especially since they themselves are rabid racists who rarely refer to black people as anything but the N-word.
 
But zombiekiller has asked an important question.

And that is, why is it okay for black women to be loud and rude to the rest of us in a crowded setting?

I think once we clear that up, we'll have made some real progress here.
 
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