i need white people's perspective on this

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

wet fish fa sale
_gon on long long journey sideways?_

let opan can a pizza ans chuck it ova baord
_okay_

thankyou

 

[palbert]

50 years

"A long time ago in a galaxy far far away ...."

 

[zombiekiller]

As soon as you had made the comment at the end of your first post about how the forum doesn't allow "the truth", I knew a pile of manure like this was waiting to come out because "the truth" when mentioned by someone who rails against "political correctness" always translates as: the simplistic non-nuanced view of the world and its complex social problems one would have if he shared my exact prejudices, bigotry, cultural lens and worldview (which is "the truth"/"telling it like it is") and that the less anyone questions or challenges the simplicity and prejudice which shapes how I selectively view these issues, the closer we're actually getting to "the real facts."

It's a bunch of manure spouted by racists, regressives, and people with little or no education or depth of understanding of almost any complex cultural or social issue who nevertheless believe that their unqualified naked eye and prejudiced brain filter is a lot more accurate than research or facts or conclusions which reflect all of the variables and not just the ones a bigot considers relevant.

One example? You harp multiple times about the illegitimate birth rate and you immediately, with utterly no qualification, launch into blaming this directly on black individuals and black culture and black "attitudes." Surely it's just PC nonsense for one to step back and ask the question "Is it not likely that sex education, access to condoms or birth control, and stable family units would all be less common in poor neighborhoods or poor demographics?" Surely it would equally be just PC nonsense to presume that out of whites with a similar level of access to education quality and a similar economic stratum would have rates of various social ills within the same general universe. And whether those questions would or would not change the conclusion, it would be an obligation of anyone actually interested in "the truth" to think of them, research them, and have their conclusion reflect the answers before jumping to concluding that black people themselves (regardless of status or wealth or location) exist in some separate culture, divorced from white or mainstream culture or values or influences, which raises them all to believe it's okay to treat women like trash, knock women up and leave them or whatever other idea it is you're pushing here-- and that these things are all particular to that black culture.

Nothing you've ever said or posted on these kinds of topics reflects any level of willingness to consider nuance or objective comparison and instead, like most bigots, rushes to the simplest possible bottom line based on one or two stats you pull out of an overall social picture and insist on applying one pre-inclined conclusion out of, without qualification and without any examination of other variables. We see a high rate of anything bad affecting black people? Don't consider economic status. Don't consider educational level. Don't consider how poverty affects the family unit and family stability or safe sex practices. Don't consider how access to employment affects deadbeat dad-ism or evasion of childcare. Those are all questions PC people just use to obfuscate the issue and stop us from getting to "the truth" that these things are all actually linked inherently with blackness and black thinking.

Meanwhile not one of my white cousins from the midwest finished high school and none went any later than 17 before having kids, and all of them used extensive periods of various types of social assistance-- I wonder what black people taught them to do that, especially since they themselves are rabid racists who rarely refer to black people as anything but the N-word.

Once again, you obfuscate the issue by ignoring the details. I too know people who pump out kids that are not black. My childhood best friend had his 2nd kid when he was 17. He's now about to have his 5th. HS dropout, minimum wage trailer trash. Also Asian.

But let me repeat. I have money. Bill gates have money. According to your logic, Bill and I are equally rich.

Why ignore the 70% figure versus 21% for white and 5% for Asian? Poverty doesn't plague the black community that much more than other races. Feel free to blame it on other people and things. Or the black community could admit a few things and try to fix it.

I'm sure I'm not the only one that's had way too many encounter with the loud black women with attitude and bobbing head sideways.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Poverty doesn't plague the black community that much more than other races.

This is categorically false. Black americans are more likely than their white counterparts to live in poverty.

 

[zombiekiller]

This is categorically false. Black americans are more likely than their white counterparts to live in poverty.

I said that much more. I didn't say not at all.

Asian Americans also live in poverty in high numbers. So do Native Americans, Hispanics, and Slavic. And yet the percentage of illegitimate children born in those communities don't even cross the 40% line. Something else is happening that wither people don't know or they don't want to admit. But harping the same old politically correct arguments ain't helping. Hint: the percentage of illegitimate kids being born in the black community has been rising and continue to rise. There's no end in sight. Unless you want to start arguing there's nothing wrong with pumping out kids without father in sight and make the rest of us pay for it.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

but I think the precise spots where it is broken are the spots where American culture in general is broken.

Absolutely, again this isn't a condemnation or demonization of black culture vs other cultures (which is how I knew this topic would be interpreted by some).

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Asian Americans also live in poverty in high numbers. So do Native Americans, Hispanics, and Slavic. And yet the percentage of illegitimate children born in those communities don't even cross the 40% line.

Not to be apologetic for broken families amongst afro-americans but isn't this a precedent that was 5 centuries in the making? for 500 years we were bred like cattle and our families were torn apart so one shouldn't find it surprising that our culture doesn't place emphasis on family structure, i would find it surprising if we did given our history in this country.

 

[The Fly]

Just curious. Does the black community at large know that about 70% of births by black women last year were out of wedlock and paid for by Medicaid?

Again, 70% of births in the black community were given put of wedlock and paid for by Medicaid.



When 70% of all births in your community are given outside of wedlock and paid for by Medicaid, then there is something seriously wrong with the cultural attitude of your people.

Births paid for by Medicaid and out of wedlock by Asian Americans only accounted for 5% of all births by Asians. For whites, it's about 21%. But for blacks, it jumps up to a whopping 70%.

I think we're starting to see your true concern............

Unless you want to start arguing there's nothing wrong with pumping out kids without father in sight and make the rest of us pay for it.

Oops you forgot to mention Medicaid.

So for all the things that should be looked at...all you're interested in is who pays the hospital bill?

You don't give a rats ass about these kids or anyone else........unless it takes a few pennies from your pockets.

 

[MoufOfKhaos]

This is all very LostLover-esque... and he was a "teacher", which made his stupidity even worse.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

so far suckpuppet ans walker a
_opan envelope _
1 houepoint each in right direction

thankyou

_rrrrrrrrrrrrun_

 

[luckynumbah7]

@Karen,

Were you perhaps tipsy when you asked for white peoples' opinions? Weeeeeell, if'n ya weren't, here's mine.

Racism, both internalized and from everyone else, plus the human's brains need to feel control of life circumstances. Same problems are in the rest of society, just not as acute. Well, not as acute for the majority o'white people, anyway.

No idea about the family structure thing, though. Mine have a similar structure (alright, identical, from what I can tell) and we weren't enslaved. Although we were stuck dieing in the mines and mills as kids, among other things and not that long ago at that. Might be a similar family dynamic there when combining poverty and utter lack of upward mobility.

 

[zombiekiller]

I think we're starting to see your true concern............




Oops you forgot to mention Medicaid.

So for all the things that should be looked at...all you're interested in is who pays the hospital bill?

You don't give a rats ass about these kids or anyone else........unless it takes a few pennies from your pockets.

Starting to? I've been saying the same thing since the beginning.

On an individual level, my concern is the spiraling effect that we are witnessing right before our very eyes: more and more black youths drop out of school, unemployment rates among black people, especially younger black men, are without competition, and incarceration rates are at an all time high and continues to climb.

As a group, my concern is misplaced priorities. As the OP mentioned, black pop culture seems to be more concern with who's got the best gangsta rap that portrays violence against women demeaning the black woman figure.

As a society, I'm concern that we're spending too much resources on the same damn thing over and over while seeing the problem growing worse and worse with no relief in sight.

Let me be clear. I've no problem with paying my fair share of taxes to help those in need. Safety nets are a good thing. I may need it one day. But when I see an entire group of people repeatedly putting their hands into the cookie jar way too many times, then I (as a tax payer) have the right to share my concern.

Again, 70% and climbing while the percentage of other communities are holding steady or decreasing. Native Americans, for example, have a particularly high poverty rates, especially on reservations. And the percentage of childrens being born without fathers don't even get near the 30% line. There are plenty of Asians living in poverty. Zeus knows, I have many relatives that are always a pay check away from the streets. And the rate of illegitimate kids being born in that community is 5%.

So, isn't it time we stop blaming poverty, lack of education, and all the other politically correct things? We as a society has been blaming those same things for the high rates of dropouts and incarcerations among black youths for decades, and there is no improvement in sight.

But let us look at it from your angle. Suppose I pay in 50% of my salary into the safety net system. Are you seriously going to start arguing that that would make a difference? Let's face reality and start tackling the problem where it needs tackling, not another politically correct BS.

 

[zombiekiller]

I think we're starting to see your true concern............




Oops you forgot to mention Medicaid.

So for all the things that should be looked at...all you're interested in is who pays the hospital bill?

You don't give a rats ass about these kids or anyone else........unless it takes a few pennies from your pockets.

Starting to? I've been saying the same thing since the beginning.

On an individual level, my concern is the spiraling effect that we are witnessing right before our very eyes: more and more black youths drop out of school, unemployment rates among black people, especially younger black men, are without competition, and incarceration rates are at an all time high and continues to climb.

As a group, my concern is misplaced priorities. As the OP mentioned, black pop culture seems to be more concern with who's got the best gangsta rap that portrays violence against women demeaning the black woman figure.

As a society, I'm concern that we're spending too much resources on the same damn thing over and over while seeing the problem growing worse and worse with no relief in sight.

Let me be clear. I've no problem with paying my fair share of taxes to help those in need. Safety nets are a good thing. I may need it one day. But when I see an entire group of people repeatedly putting their hands into the cookie jar way too many times, then I (as a tax payer) have the right to share my concern.

Again, 70% and climbing while the percentage of other communities are holding steady or decreasing. Native Americans, for example, have a particularly high poverty rates, especially on reservations. And the percentage of childrens being born without fathers don't even get near the 30% line. There are plenty of Asians living in poverty. Zeus knows, I have many relatives that are always a pay check away from the streets. And the rate of illegitimate kids being born in that community is 5%.

So, isn't it time we stop blaming poverty, lack of education, and all the other politically correct things? We as a society has been blaming those same things for the high rates of dropouts and incarcerations among black youths for decades, and there is no improvement in sight.

But let us look at it from your angle. Suppose I pay in 50% of my salary into the safety net system. Are you seriously going to start arguing that that would make a difference? Let's face reality and start tackling the problem where it needs tackling, not another politically correct BS.

 

[luckynumbah7]

"So, isn't it time we stop blaming poverty, lack of education, and all the other politically correct things? We as a society has been blaming those same things for the high rates of dropouts and incarcerations among black youths for decades, and there is no improvement in sight. "

No. No it isn't, because people who think they have options try to reach them. As for incarceration, the prison industry is the new big business and people get paid to put others in it - racism is a factor.

 

[ibill1]

Sloppy has a lot to say on this subject--are you black, white or other?

This is true. However, I can honestly say I have absolutely no idea what it is.

I don't have an intellectual perspective on this because it would be colored by what I have only seen in the media and not from my life experiences. You see, I am an old white homo guy who grew up in an upper class white neighborhood, went to a mostly white university and have lived in another upper class white neighborhood with my husband, who passed, for nearly 35 yrs. I don't like what I see in the media about our urban "hoods" in this country but I never experienced this in my life and feel completely unqualified to state an opinion on what is actually going on there. The friends and fuck buddies I have of african american descent don't discuss it, however I have no idea why. Have I been sheltered? I suppose so but that is just the way it is.

 

[Harke the Boeotarch]

But let us look at it from your angle. Suppose I pay in 50% of my salary into the safety net system. Are you seriously going to start arguing that that would make a difference? Let's face reality and start tackling the problem where it needs tackling, not another politically correct BS.

It would. It worked for us for decades.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

Starting to? I've been saying the same thing since the beginning.

On an individual level, my concern is the spiraling effect that we are witnessing right before our very eyes: more and more black youths drop out of school, unemployment rates among black people, especially younger black men, are without competition, and incarceration rates are at an all time high and continues to climb.

As a group, my concern is misplaced priorities. As the OP mentioned, black pop culture seems to be more concern with who's got the best gangsta rap that portrays violence against women demeaning the black woman figure.

As a society, I'm concern that we're spending too much resources on the same damn thing over and over while seeing the problem growing worse and worse with no relief in sight.

Let me be clear. I've no problem with paying my fair share of taxes to help those in need. Safety nets are a good thing. I may need it one day. But when I see an entire group of people repeatedly putting their hands into the cookie jar way too many times, then I (as a tax payer) have the right to share my concern.

Again, 70% and climbing while the percentage of other communities are holding steady or decreasing. Native Americans, for example, have a particularly high poverty rates, especially on reservations. And the percentage of childrens being born without fathers don't even get near the 30% line. There are plenty of Asians living in poverty. Zeus knows, I have many relatives that are always a pay check away from the streets. And the rate of illegitimate kids being born in that community is 5%.

So, isn't it time we stop blaming poverty, lack of education, and all the other politically correct things? We as a society has been blaming those same things for the high rates of dropouts and incarcerations among black youths for decades, and there is no improvement in sight.

But let us look at it from your angle. Suppose I pay in 50% of my salary into the safety net system. Are you seriously going to start arguing that that would make a difference? Let's face reality and start tackling the problem where it needs tackling, not another politically correct BS.

we?
society?
family?

_pause_

oooh

 

[luckynumbah7]

we?
society?
family?

_pause_

oooh

ZING!

I tip my hat to you, Sir!

 

[pat grimshaw]

…. 70% ...

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr61/nvsr61_05.pdf

 

[The Fly]

Starting to? I've been saying the same thing since the beginning.

On an individual level, my concern is the spiraling effect that we are witnessing right before our very eyes: more and more black youths drop out of school, unemployment rates among black people, especially younger black men, are without competition, and incarceration rates are at an all time high and continues to climb.

As a group, my concern is misplaced priorities. As the OP mentioned, black pop culture seems to be more concern with who's got the best gangsta rap that portrays violence against women demeaning the black woman figure.

As a society, I'm concern that we're spending too much resources on the same damn thing over and over while seeing the problem growing worse and worse with no relief in sight.

Let me be clear. I've no problem with paying my fair share of taxes to help those in need. Safety nets are a good thing. I may need it one day. But when I see an entire group of people repeatedly putting their hands into the cookie jar way too many times, then I (as a tax payer) have the right to share my concern.

Again, 70% and climbing while the percentage of other communities are holding steady or decreasing. Native Americans, for example, have a particularly high poverty rates, especially on reservations. And the percentage of childrens being born without fathers don't even get near the 30% line. There are plenty of Asians living in poverty. Zeus knows, I have many relatives that are always a pay check away from the streets. And the rate of illegitimate kids being born in that community is 5%.

So, isn't it time we stop blaming poverty, lack of education, and all the other politically correct things? We as a society has been blaming those same things for the high rates of dropouts and incarcerations among black youths for decades, and there is no improvement in sight.

But let us look at it from your angle. Suppose I pay in 50% of my salary into the safety net system. Are you seriously going to start arguing that that would make a difference? Let's face reality and start tackling the problem where it needs tackling, not another politically correct BS.

I grew up on a res..............don't try telling me what goes on there.

you're pretty good at pointing out problems....how 'bout some answers?