I wanna give this poor kid a hug

[BreakTheIce]

Seems like he's had such a hard road... I just wanna hug him and spend some time with him and tell him it gets better.

Poor guy

 

[refujiunderground]

yeah, this is just sad. you think that his father is treating him like this because he's gay, basically making his son's life hell to the point where he wants him to stay out his life sort of like how his mom did him in? it seems like it.

 

[Telstra]

So because it is a TV show,
all the kids debts going to be taken care of by the TV company?

 

[hungkee]

Where in the clips did it say the son is gay?

$40,000+ is a lot of money to get so many D's in school. A guy like that with so many issues should have simply attended his local community college (where one could get all those Ds for a fraction of the price).

I think that because "its for schooling", many students think that even the loans are "owed" them on some level. But think about it: His dad co-signs $20+ -grand a year for two years? In other circumstances that would be like co-signing on two different vehicles for his kid. And then his kid doesn't think that he can or needs to pay it back.

And to where did the dog's Phenobarbital go? Was that ever determined? One can understand his step-mother's accusations after seeing the mental state of this kid. And I have to think that neither the dog nor the kid's younger brother swiped the stuff. I doubt his step-mother just pulled that accusation out of her ass.

I have a modicum of sympathy for the son. But he looks like someone who is expecting others to pick up the pieces as he self-destructs. He clearly resents his real mother but only has his father available to take it out on.

And 23 becomes 33 real quick. What then?

 

[HunterM]

I wanna give this poor kid a hug too. Then I'll tell him, "Grow the fuck up! I've been working since Freshmen in high school. I had to work to pay for my own college education."

 

[jdubbj]

Where in the clips did it say the son is gay?

He said his mother neglected him after she discovered his "sexual orientation." I can only presume that means he's gay

 

[hungkee]

He said his mother neglected him after she discovered his "sexual orientation." I can only presume that means he's gay

I guess. I mean, I think this kid is full of excuses. We don't really know if his sexual orientation was a reason he left his mother's house since he says he left on his own accord at 16.

At 16, one is free to leave school. Were his grades any better in high school? Or did his mother see this pattern of b.s. grades even then and put his partying ass on the spot. I mean, while he's the product of divorce, there are millions of kids who are (and many of them gay). Since she didn't kick him out, one has to think that maybe she gave him some ultimatum back then. Or she bore down with some tough love which he rejected - just as he now rejects it at age 23 going on 24, too.

And he clearly had a father willing to take in his "gay" kid. So I don't know how much his sexual orientation genuinely played into anything other than as more excuses. His mother isn't there so all of that is just hearsay that she "neglected" him over his sexual orientation.

He also had an excuse for failing in the military. And school. And with jobs. And with finances. And at 16. And with his mother. And with the suspected missing dog pills.

And to where does he go when he goes "missing"?

There is some other "influence" at work in this kid's life.

Oy. Even I'm fed up with this kid.

He's too young to be blaming everything yet wanting everything. He's on a spiritual journey? What's that mean - AA?

 

[fetaby]

Yup. That's what happens.

Consumerism meets capitalism and world goes round.

It probably would have been a good idea to talk to the kid and see where his head was at before signing over 40K.... But I do have a question. If it cost 20K to go to school AND live on campus, why did it cost the same 20K to go to school and NOT live on campus the next year?

 

[HunterM]

It probably would have been a good idea to talk to the kid and see where his head was at before signing over 40K....

I can only guess...the father was probably wrapped with guilt for not being around for him after the divorce (the kid lived with the mother). He tried to make it up for those missing years. Bad move.

 

[fetaby]

I can only guess...the father was probably wrapped with guilt for not being around for him after the divorce (the kid lived with the mother). He tried to make it up for those missing years. Bad move.

But more's the point. Aside from our last date, when did money ever buy love?

 

[hungkee]

According to his Twitter account he says (apparently of that time when he was 16): "it was a confusing time but I wasn't gay" (aug 26, 2011)

On Jun 9, 2012 he identifies the young lady in his profile pic as being his fiance.

Also on Aug, 26, 2011, he refer to something as being "fat faggot treats".

On the up side:

June 11, 2011, he tweeted: "Is it bad that when I finally found the bathroom in this building I thought to myself "jack potty".

He attended Sacred Heart University - marine biology major. Tuition in 2012 is $16, 237 per semester.

If one wishes to live in a dorm such as their "Christian Witness" one, its another $4700.

I suppose that was his reference to spiritual guidance on The People's Court.

But it would seem that he switched to his local community college.

What is interesting is that his "horrible" dad is actually the

KENNETH R. TROCHSLER, M.S., Sacred Heart University; Server Administrator, School of Engineering & Technology (2010).

So he apparently got his kid into the school in which he worked. Which is fine.

But then his kid goes on to get D's and disappearing?

Obviously, the dad was embarrassed at work by what was happening. And he owed loan amounts for the very school in which he worked.

So that was sort of shitty of his son.

 

[HunterM]

But more's the point. Aside from our last date, when did money ever buy love?

Yeah...some people really need to wake up. Obviously, Tom Cruise thought he could buy Katie Holmes' love. Katie is divorcing him now.

Re: our last date, money did buy a night of instant satisfaction. When can I schedule you for your next appointment?

 

[refujiunderground]

According to his Twitter account he says (apparently of that time when he was 16): "it was a confusing time but I wasn't gay" (aug 26, 2011)

On Jun 9, 2012 he identifies the young lady in his profile pic as being his fiance.

Also on Aug, 26, 2011, he refer to something as being "fat faggot treats".

On the up side:

June 11, 2011, he tweeted: "Is it bad that when I finally found the bathroom in this building I thought to myself "jack potty".

He attended Sacred Heart University - marine biology major. Tuition in 2012 is $16, 237 per semester.

If one wishes to live in a dorm such as their "Christian Witness" one, its another $4700.

I suppose that was his reference to spiritual guidance on The People's Court.

But it would seem that he switched to his local community college.

What is interesting is that his "horrible" dad is actually the

KENNETH R. TROCHSLER, M.S., Sacred Heart University; Server Administrator, School of Engineering & Technology (2010).

So he apparently got his kid into the school in which he worked. Which is fine.

But then his kid goes on to get D's and disappearing?

Obviously, the dad was embarrassed at work by what was happening. And he owed loan amounts for the very school in which he worked.

So that was sort of shitty of his son.

damn, did you really have to look @ his twitter account? geez. it's not that serious.


i still believe that a lot of the falling out has to do with his sexual orientation as is evident in the twitter thing you guys put up. his father being religious makes this even more obvious. it's not all about the money, fam.


i respect you guys opinions but i'm surprised that you guys are actually overlooking his sexual orientation playing a major role in this in which it obviously is. you don't think things would have came out to be entirely different if he was straight.

 

[hungkee]

damn, did you really have to look @ his twitter account? geez. it's not that serious.

Who ever said it was serious? I just like to call out bullshitters when I sees 'em on me'Peoples Court.

More truth is in the details than what one sees at 4pm on FOX.

 

[refujiunderground]

Who ever said it was serious? I just like to call out bullshitters when I sees 'em on me'Peoples Court.

More truth is in the details than what one sees at 4pm on FOX.

do you think the father would be treating his son that way if he wasn't gay? it seemed like that was the underlying issue that went beyond money payments. not to excuse the son for him screwing up someone's money up but honestly, i think this has more to do with his sexuality than him not paying up. you can even look @ the father and tell that he was upset with him.


on a side note, his son seemed like he had an attitude problem taking with the judge but it sucks that he has to deal with people like that that don't approve of his sexuality and pretty much are using it against him. his mom disowned him and his father seems like he's trying to use whatever against him to get back at him.

 

[hungkee]

do you think the father would be treating his son that way if he wasn't gay? it seemed like that was the underlying issue that went beyond money payments. not to excuse the son for him screwing up someone's money up but honestly, i think this has more to do with his sexuality than him not paying up.

For sure I think a dad would treat his son that same way regardless of his sexual orientation. I mean, I know that dads argue with their straight sons over this same tuition, grades and money crap all the time.

And there are dads who act the same way with straight sons when there's been what appears to be have been a bad divorce (affecting the kid negatively).

And really, the mom never kicked the kid out.

And the dad took him in. And would have allowed him to stay. He even allowed his "gay" son to babysit his baby brother.

So I doubt the sexual orientation angle meant all that much within that family.

And the kid says he isn't and wasn't gay.

So that whole line on The Peoples Court is murky talk, really. Maybe for "sympathy".

Then you have a dad who works at a Catholic U. who more than likely did what he could to get his kid into that same school. And he co-signs big loans...

Actually Junior got better treatment from his father than do many guys - guy or straight.

I do agree that more is at play than simple money payments. It is what is behind the reality that the son can't or won't make those payments at the age of 23. He went to college at 18. So its been a few YEARS that the dad has been dealing with this co-signed debt.

 

[fetaby]

For sure I think a dad would treat his son that same way regardless of his sexual orientation. I mean, I know that dads argue with their straight sons over this same tuition, grades and money crap all the time.

And there are dads who act the same way with straight sons when there's been what appears to be have been a bad divorce (affecting the kid negatively).

And really, the mom never kicked the kid out.

And the dad took him in. And would have allowed him to stay. He even allowed his "gay" son to babysit his baby brother.

So I doubt the sexual orientation angle meant all that much within that family.

And the kid says he isn't and wasn't gay.

So that whole line on The Peoples Court is murky talk, really. Maybe for "sympathy".

Then you have a dad who works at a Catholic U. who more than likely did what he could to get his kid into that same school. And he co-signs big loans...

Actually Junior got better treatment from his father than do many guys - guy or straight.

I do agree that more is at play than simple money payments. It is what is behind the reality that the son can't or won't make those payments at the age of 23. He went to college at 18. So its been a few YEARS that the dad has been dealing with this co-signed debt.

Just two things...

One.

Then you have a dad who works at a Catholic U. who more than likely did what he could to get his kid into that same school. And he co-signs big loans...

He couldn't have asked for the employee discount?

He couldn't have used his knowledge of the typical college experience troubled youth face these days that he witnesses first hand at his own job and apply that knowledge back to his own kid?

Two.

And the kid says he isn't and wasn't gay.

So that whole line on The Peoples Court is murky talk, really. Maybe for "sympathy".

So someone who would vehemently deny being gay, would voluntarily elect to say he is gay for sympathy?

Refuji, I think we've found you a successor.

 

[hungkee]

So someone who would vehemently deny being gay, would voluntarily elect to say he is gay for sympathy?

Technically, he never said he was gay on The People's Court. That was my very first question in this thread. Instead, he made one of his murky, 9sexually) ambiguous comments. He said that his mother neglected him because of his "sexual orientation".

While it could mean "gay", as we all know, a tuition grifter and money gypsy could also claim it meant nothing homosexual.

Technically, EVERYONE has a "sexual orientation", you know.

So he didn't really, truly state anything other than the obvious - leaving to the judge and us to interpret what WE think he may have meant.

I have a hunch this kid learned to manipulate like that from a young age.

He does the same in his rhetoric regarding when he left his mother's house. He made if sort of sound like she was intolerant and kicked him out. But we don't know what her demeanor truly was. And he willingly left.

Sometimes every minutia of detail is required to decipher what some of these courtroom deadbeats are actually saying (and not saying).

 

[fetaby]

Sometimes every minutia of detail is required to decipher what some of these courtroom deadbeats are actually saying (and not saying).

On this we agree...

So tell me, the gentleman that accompanied the defendant.... Who do you suppose he was?

every minutia of detail is required to decipher what some are actually saying

So hungkee, what were you actually saying when you posted this...

He even allowed his "gay" son to babysit his baby brother.

What was the overall vibe of argument you were presenting with that? What flavor of koolaid were you pouring? I have my assumption of course, but do clarify...

 

[hungkee]

So hungkee, what were you actually saying when you posted this...


What was the overall vibe of argument you were presenting with that? What flavor of koolaid were you pouring? I have my assumption of course, but do clarify...

Nothing nefarious. I was simply making the observation that while the kid alluded to the notion that his "sexual orientation" played any sort of significant role in his poor relationship with each of his parents, there isn't a lot of evidence to necessarily support that.

He wants to give the appearance that his real mother "neglected" him at 16 due to his "sexual orientation". But she was neither there nor did she ever kick him out of her house. We don't even know if sexuality played a part in any of her attitude (saying that she even had any attitude) regarding her son.

Then he is allowed to watch his younger brother, whom I will suspect is his younger half or step brother, when he is invited to go live with his real father and his new wife. Neither of them bar him access to their home, their young child, their dog nor the dog's medicine cabinet. In fact, they appear to do nothing particularly strange in their interaction with the guy - until the guy OWES them money. Then the kid is full of stories as to horrible everyone was to him on some level.

But objectively-speaking, they parents had no hesitations where he was concerned when they lived under their roof. Until he began to screw with them, that is.

As for taking care of a younger sibling? That would be the one immediate realm off-limits if/when someone doesn't truly have faith or put trust in someone. They apparently had no hang ups about him watching his younger brother. But if they had in fact had problems with his sexuality or general behaviors, you bet that step-mom would have cut him off...quick. Instead, he simply states she had problems with the dog medicine gone missing. That would be a problem if you think the one with contact and influence over your younger son is stealing & abusing drugs.

No family situation is perfect. But the kid's injection of his vague "sexual orientation" excuse seemingly had little real bearing on anything going on - whether under roof, in college or regarding debts.