Identifying as Queer vs. Gay

[Agent Provocateur]

Gay culture = real

Queer culture = pseudointellectual quasi-feminist fantasy

Exactly this.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

I have no problem with labels as long as they are useful. Labeling yourself with an umbrella term like "queer", which includes both sexual orientation and/or gender identity, doesn't say very much about you. To prefer a vague term instead of a more specific term seems counterproductive to labelling identities in the first place.

Yep.

I have always used gay and have always associated queer as being derogatory considering it has always been used that way when I have heard it.

 

[JohnnyAnger]

Gay culture = real

Queer culture = pseudointellectual quasi-feminist fantasy

Come along to the Vrankrijk tonight for their weekly queer night and see if you still think that

 

[Harke the Boeotarch]

Come along to the Vrankrijk tonight for their weekly queer night and see if you still think that

I'm there almost every week (just not tonight because I'm staying with my mother). Some of those people are really trying too hard.

 

[G-Lexington]

If I were to tell someone I was queer, it would feel like a political statement. Growing up, when someone identified another person as queer, it was the same as calling them a pervert.

If I can extrapolate from what I see on EC, it seems the younger set (teens to early 20s) are quite a bit less likely to find that true. I don't even get much sense of "empowerment" or "fanaticism" around it. It's mainly just "not straight/cis" (and yes, RP - that's the term - get used to it). Some of them even seem to think it's a sort of "fun" term for them. Strange to our way of thinking, but there it be.

Lex

 

[JohnnyAnger]

I'm there almost every week (just not tonight because I'm staying with my mother). Some of those people are really trying too hard.

Really fuck! I will look out for you next time then I have been going for months

 

[Harke the Boeotarch]

Really fuck! I will look out for you next time then I have been going for months

I Always wear my leathers when I'm there.

 

[pat grimshaw]

... leathers ...

Do you wear a full suit? or those 'chaps' things so we can get easy access?

 

[xbuzzerx]

How I see myself isn't necessarily gonna change how other people see me. Unfortunately. The majority are still gonna say that both you, I and rest of us are QUEERS (=gay) So I, personally, don't really see the difference between the terms... I just choose to deal with it while you may not

Some people may call all minorities "welfare sucking troglodytes", that doesn't mean I am ever going to think of myself as a welfare-sucking troglodyte or identify as one. If you embraced the term "Eurotrash" that's cool but that doesn't mean "you're simply choosing to deal with it and other people aren't." It's a personal decision and not really for you to say whether or not anyone else "should" embrace it.

 

[xbuzzerx]

Gay culture = real

Queer culture = pseudointellectual quasi-feminist fantasy

Sadly there is at least some small sliver of truth in this. When I think of queer not being used as a slur by hetero people, it was someone saying something to me like "Oh you're coming tonight to hear the presentation on Queer Theory right?" What in the world is Queer Theory. There is some whole philosophy to alternate sexualities I'm supposed to know about?

 

[pat grimshaw]

I like 'queer' so we can include all those terminally-confused people like those so-called honorary-feminists and the nancy-boy pussies and also people like Clifford Candy.

Mister Candy likes to 'wave his genitals around "like a flag" in front of people to overcome fears of being seen naked and to feed his adrenalin addiction'.



http://www.thechronicle.com.au/news/serial-flasher-defends-waving-of-his-genetals/2154663/

 

[unloadonme]

As one of the Stately Homos of England I'm not too keen on either of the words offered.

 

[pat grimshaw]

... There is some whole philosophy to alternate sexualities I'm supposed to know about?

Yes there is! You can't be a Secret Policeman with Police Intelligence.

 

[Harke the Boeotarch]

Do you wear a full suit? or those 'chaps' things so we can get easy access?

I have leather garments for my whole body, including chaps, but they're not a set.

I like 'queer' so we can include all those terminally-confused people like those so-called honorary-feminists and the nancy-boy pussies and also people like Clifford Candy.

Mister Candy likes to 'wave his genitals around "like a flag" in front of people to overcome fears of being seen naked and to feed his adrenalin addiction'.



http://www.thechronicle.com.au/news/serial-flasher-defends-waving-of-his-genetals/2154663/

What do we have to do with them? That they do sexual things that people don't approve of? is that enough?

 

[xbuzzerx]

Yes there is! You can't be a Secret Policeman with Police Intelligence.

What's your sexuality again Pat?

 

[pat grimshaw]

...What do we have to do with them? That they do sexual things that people don't approve of? is that enough?

I know it's insane. We don't need those hangers-on.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

What's your sexuality again Pat?

Probably a closet case.

 

[xbuzzerx]

Probably a closet case.

It is rather interesting, isn't it, that he either refuses or cannot bring himself to say it.

 

[Singularity]

I don't know whether I should be insulted or saddened by the misconception of the words 'gay' and 'queer':

Gay has always been a positive word, fully identifying the homosexual man (and woman) in society without being offensive or derogatory. It was first used in the 1920s in the underground scene and then officially in the 1970s in mainstream culture. For the past decade, it's most often been used in slang for 'bad' or 'stupid'.

Queer was used to negatively describe bi- and homosexual people in terms of going against social standards much around the same time and has been so up until now. I don't know where the switch came but a lot of people who do identify as anything but heterosexual are now using 'queer' to differentiate themselves from the "norm".

At some point we have to agree to something because if we keep changing labels around within generations we'll never get to justify ourselves in society at large. By using umbrella-terms we are preventing young people to embracing their true selves while the conservatives wave their wealth of experience of guilt and paranoia just to keep the world from adapting. Don't stray - be gay.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

I don't know whether I should be insulted or saddened by the misconception of the words 'gay' and 'queer':

Gay has always been a positive word, fully identifying the homosexual man (and woman) in society without being offensive or derogatory. It was first used in the 1920s in the underground scene and then officially in the 1970s in mainstream culture. For the past decade, it's most often been used in slang for 'bad' or 'stupid'.

Queer was used to negatively describe bi- and homosexual people in terms of going against social standards much around the same time and has been so up until now. I don't know where the switch came but a lot of people who do identify as anything but heterosexual are now using 'queer' to differentiate themselves from the "norm".

At some point we have to agree to something because if we keep changing labels around within generations we'll never get to justify ourselves in society at large. By using umbrella-terms we are preventing young people to embracing their true selves while the conservatives wave their wealth of experience of guilt and paranoia just to keep the world from adapting. Don't stray - be gay.

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