If carb makes us fat, why are low carb gurus... fat?

[belamyi]

^ No, the complication does not come from the outside, but from the inside: people are more for letting themselves go, and even when they are fighting, there are only letting themselves go following a prejudice or a stubborn feeling. Feeling instad of thinking, that's the problem.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

^ No, the complication does not come from the outside, but from the inside: people are more for letting themselves go, and even when they are fighting, there are only letting themselves go following a prejudice or a stubborn feeling. Feeling instad of thinking, that's the problem.

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[belamyi]

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No, it's simply that you, like the rest, did not seem to get my point right or, if your prefer (or, rather, "better said"), I did not make myself clear enough

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

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No, it's simply that you, like the rest, did not seem to get my point right or, if your prefer (or, rather, "better said"), I did not make myself clear enough

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[belamyi]

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[mcbrion]

Then go to Asian markets and get one of those big bags of rice imported from China.

I don't doubt that foods are different in different places. But to say that potatos make you fat is simply not true. I have been eating 20 pounds of potato each week. Plenty of people do that. We don't fry them of fill them up with butter.

The main point I'm trying to make is it is not these starchy foods or carbs that make people fat and sickly. It is how they are prepared. Baked potato is one of the healthiest things you can eat. Baked potato filled up with butter and all the other crap people generally put in their potato is one of the worst things you can eat.

Going back to one of the original reasons why we got into this discussion. Poor people are fat and sickly because you claim they don't have access to healthy but expensive foods. I can buy a 10 pound bag of potatos for $5 at walmart. You then claim that potatos make people fat and sickly. Yes, it does make people fat and sickly if they eat them as French fries, potato chips, etc. Just boil them, bake them, or even microwave them. They are extremely filling and they contain a lot of energy.

I eat 20 pounds of potato each week and I don't even feel sleepy during the afternoon like most people. Midday slump thats what it's called I think.

The point is to encourage people to stop feeding themselves and their kids processed stuff loaded with SOS. They don't even need to spend a ton of money on good healthy foods.

I'm beginning to question your reading capabilities.

Food can only store on the body as one of two things: muscle (protein) or fat (non-complex carbs, sugar, what have you).

I never said you could not lose weight eating potatoes. I SAID they store on the body as fat. That is not disputable. ANY bodybuilder, especially those of us working out as semi-pro (or pro), avoided ANY starch so as to cause the body to burn fat faster. In fact, the diet of bodybuilders in the '70s was steak and a salad. PERIOD. That's what burned off fat the quickest

You can eat potatoes and lose weight. What you will NOT lose is large amounts of fat. This was already proven in a classic experiment in England in the 50s, where they gave one group all protein. One group ALL fat. One group HIGH carbs. EVERYONE lost weight, but the carb people lost it the slowest, equal exercise notwithstanding. Look it up and stop arguing with me. Damn, you really are being a wanker. What's your problem, kid? You can't change how the body digests food by being insistent. Sorry, but the body isn't listening to your arguments, ok?




Potatoes are high glycemic: they burn in the internal "furnace" quickly and store as fat. PERIOD. Stop arguing with me when you obviously don't understand how the body digests food. Not only was my mom a nutritionist and taught us about this, I was a semi-pro bodybuilder, LONG before you and the rest of the guys on here even KNEW was bodybuilding was. And our trainers would read us the riot act for eating carbs (except salad) for those very reasons.

You want to eat potatoes KNOCK YOURSELF OUT. Just stop telling me that I'm telling YOU that eating potatoes makes you "fat." I said eating bad carbs stores on the body as fat, and that was why we had the obesity epidemic. Arguing that point is just plain dumb. As you can see above, potatoes, with their high glycemic index (no matter HOW they are cooked) will cover to sugar. Sugar = fat as a storage medium on the body.

If you only eat 1,000 calories a day, and burn 2,000, you will lose weight. You will NOT develop the overrated "ab six pack", because you will not cause the body to burn up the fat in between the muscles that causes the body to look striated. Even bodybuilders in the 70s did not have that absolutely shredded look you see on guys today. That was NOT what made Arnold "Mr. Universe." I KNOW Arnold. I ATE with Arnold. And we NEVER, EVER ate much in the way of carbs. The only difference was that he was driven to win Mr. Universe and used steroids. I did not. Wasn't interested in carrying that much weight. The heart is one of the muscles that does not get larger as you gain muscle, so I didn't see the benefit.

Geez...

 

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[Dominus]

I'm beginning to question your reading capabilities.

Food can only store on the body as one of two things: muscle (protein) or fat (non-complex carbs, sugar, what have you).

I never said you could not lose weight eating potatoes. I SAID they store on the body as fat. That is not disputable. ANY bodybuilder, especially those of us working out as semi-pro (or pro), avoided ANY starch so as to cause the body to burn fat faster. In fact, the diet of bodybuilders in the '70s was steak and a salad. PERIOD. That's what burned off fat the quickest

You can eat potatoes and lose weight. What you will NOT lose is large amounts of fat. This was already proven in a classic experiment in England in the 50s, where they gave one group all protein. One group ALL fat. One group HIGH carbs. EVERYONE lost weight, but the carb people lost it the slowest, equal exercise notwithstanding. Look it up and stop arguing with me. Damn, you really are being a wanker. What's your problem, kid? You can't change how the body digests food by being insistent. Sorry, but the body isn't listening to your arguments, ok?

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Potatoes are high glycemic: they burn in the internal "furnace" quickly and store as fat. PERIOD. Stop arguing with me when you obviously don't understand how the body digests food. Not only was my mom a nutritionist and taught us about this, I was a semi-pro bodybuilder, LONG before you and the rest of the guys on here even KNEW was bodybuilding was. And our trainers would read us the riot act for eating carbs (except salad) for those very reasons.

You want to eat potatoes KNOCK YOURSELF OUT. Just stop telling me that I'm telling YOU that eating potatoes makes you "fat." I said eating bad carbs stores on the body as fat, and that was why we had the obesity epidemic. Arguing that point is just plain dumb. As you can see above, potatoes, with their high glycemic index (no matter HOW they are cooked) will cover to sugar. Sugar = fat as a storage medium on the body.

If you only eat 1,000 calories a day, and burn 2,000, you will lose weight. You will NOT develop the overrated "ab six pack", because you will not cause the body to burn up the fat in between the muscles that causes the body to look striated. Even bodybuilders in the 70s did not have that absolutely shredded look you see on guys today. That was NOT what made Arnold "Mr. Universe." I KNOW Arnold. I ATE with Arnold. And we NEVER, EVER ate much in the way of carbs. The only difference was that he was driven to win Mr. Universe and used steroids. I did not. Wasn't interested in carrying that much weight. The heart is one of the muscles that does not get larger as you gain muscle, so I didn't see the benefit.

Geez...

Ok, so to sum it up you advocate poor people keep eating processed crap rather than starchy foods because they cannot afford steak?

 

[mcbrion]

Those are your words, not mine. As if there's not in between. Beans, a staple of Black culture. Kale, collard greens, mustard greens.

And if you eat 20 pounds of potatoes a day, that's over 6,000 calories. You're either a marathon runner or a liar. I know exactly how many calories are in most foods. Eggs are healthy, hard cheese is healthy, unprocessed bread is healthy. And most of my relatives are poor and they don't eat potatoes except as maybe a small side dish. And they supplement the veggies with ham hocks, chicken (which isn't expensive) and other things.

And when did you become interested in the "poor people"? You use them to buttress your argument, as though that's all poor people eat. How would you even know? Boring, racist presumption.

Poor people - in my LONG AND PERSONAL experience - don't eat any of the "processed crap" you mention, unless they're city dwellers with no sense and McDonald's nearby. And a quarter pounder could buy 5 pounds of black beans, kidney beans, which are a staple in minority cultures. You really don't know shit about what we eat, do you? You just want to win this argument. You're officially a privileged jerk. Don't bother me with your inaccurate arguments, because I know better and you don't. And all those things I mentioned? They're CARBS. as is Milk. Anything in moderation works. The obesity crisis happened because people went hog wild on Oreos, donuts, chips and Weight Watchers ridiculous scaling system: "One ounce of potatoes is equal to an apple." F-ing BULL. An apple has a glycemic index of 40. Lays potato chips has an index of 55-60, bordering on HIGH glycemic.

Spare me your ignorance. Your knowledge compared to mine is that of a kindergartner compared to a ph.D. I been learning this stuff all my life, including salt content, cholesterol, diabetes. The works. Again: mom = nutritionist. I got lessons in what to eat and what not to eat and knew it by 1963.When I was 13. When did you learn anything about what food to eat? Back off, kid. Or I'm liable to get REALLY serious. You are not my equal in this area. You've got rudimentary knowledge and it works for you. On a debate team, I'd obliterate you. Know your betters in subject matter and shut your mouth. As my mother used to say if you don't know something about a subject, keep your mouth shut. Wise advise.

 

[rareboy]

Now guys.

It isn't a death match.



McBrion...you are one lucky guy to have had a mother who was able to get you going in the right direction and teach you so much. I am astonished though, at how many kids of my generation and those after me really know so little. Of course now...there is no excuse for anyone who is on-line. Because all the information is available in simple facts.

And Aristo, it is great that you have found a diet and fitness plan that works for you and your desired activity levels and ways to get exercise. And that you have an active interest in eating clean and healthy.

In a month or so, I will have weighed or otherwise quantified almost every single food and drink item consumed daily for the entire year, with a database that allows me to track all the nutritional elements as well to make sure that my average daily intake was healthy. I recommend that everyone does this because it is a great way to learn/re-learn about food and nutrition. I have not looked for perfect foods...but generally try to make sure that most of what goes in is healthy.

In fairness, I sometimes despair when we are out shopping when I see families that are obviously not well off fill their carts with cheap frozen entrees like pizza or canned pastas etc because they believe they can't afford to feed themselves well. And there's no question that fruits and vegetables are a challenge for people who don't know how to cook them and make sure there is zero waste. And for poorer people in food deserts...it is really sad.

And a lot of it comes down to home economics and whether they were taught to cook healthy foods and stretch their food dollar as far as it could go. And sad to say....we are now into at least two generations that have been taught less and less about making food and more and more about being the kind of consumers that food stores selling processed products rely on for profit margins.

I always recommend that people learn to cook third world diets to learn how to stretch fresh ingredients using legumes as much as possible balanced with starch and as little meat or fish as necessary.

And to learn what their own metabolism requires to maintain the healthiest weight for their activity level and age.

It isn't rocket science.

 

[offthewall14420]

It's sad that there's such a gap in knowledge that snake oil salesman and quacks need to fill in the gaps with their pseudo-science. Personally I like to bleed myself once a month to prevent disease.

 

[belamyi]

I have been eating 20 pounds of potato each week.

I'm beginning to question your reading capabilities.

And if you eat 20 pounds of potatoes a day, that's over 6,000 calories. You're either a marathon runner or a liar.

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[Dominus]

Those are your words, not mine. As if there's not in between. Beans, a staple of Black culture. Kale, collard greens, mustard greens.

And if you eat 20 pounds of potatoes a day, that's over 6,000 calories. You're either a marathon runner or a liar. I know exactly how many calories are in most foods. Eggs are healthy, hard cheese is healthy, unprocessed bread is healthy. And most of my relatives are poor and they don't eat potatoes except as maybe a small side dish. And they supplement the veggies with ham hocks, chicken (which isn't expensive) and other things.

And when did you become interested in the "poor people"? You use them to buttress your argument, as though that's all poor people eat. How would you even know? Boring, racist presumption.

Poor people - in my LONG AND PERSONAL experience - don't eat any of the "processed crap" you mention, unless they're city dwellers with no sense and McDonald's nearby. And a quarter pounder could buy 5 pounds of black beans, kidney beans, which are a staple in minority cultures. You really don't know shit about what we eat, do you? You just want to win this argument. You're officially a privileged jerk. Don't bother me with your inaccurate arguments, because I know better and you don't. And all those things I mentioned? They're CARBS. as is Milk. Anything in moderation works. The obesity crisis happened because people went hog wild on Oreos, donuts, chips and Weight Watchers ridiculous scaling system: "One ounce of potatoes is equal to an apple." F-ing BULL. An apple has a glycemic index of 40. Lays potato chips has an index of 55-60, bordering on HIGH glycemic.

Spare me your ignorance. Your knowledge compared to mine is that of a kindergartner compared to a ph.D. I been learning this stuff all my life, including salt content, cholesterol, diabetes. The works. Again: mom = nutritionist. I got lessons in what to eat and what not to eat and knew it by 1963.When I was 13. When did you learn anything about what food to eat? Back off, kid. Or I'm liable to get REALLY serious. You are not my equal in this area. You've got rudimentary knowledge and it works for you. On a debate team, I'd obliterate you. Know your betters in subject matter and shut your mouth. As my mother used to say if you don't know something about a subject, keep your mouth shut. Wise advise.

So, you're Trump now? I said 20 pounds of potatos a week. Go back to post 34. I clearly said each week. Trying to pass off an obvious lie like Trump?

 

[belamyi]

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[Dominus]

My sister in law dropped by this morning as I was on my way out. She told me her husband, my brother, has high cholesterol and high blood pressure. So, she is now feeding him mostly meat to avoid carb. She then saw my lunch and dinner as I was preparing them.



She was horrified. Told me that's all carb and that I will get fat and have all kinds of health problems if I eat that.

Um, first of all that's about 1000 calories top.

But more importantly, how can anyone look at this and think I'm going to get fat, high cholesterol, high blood pressure, and diabetes from this?

 

[belamyi]

^

If they are told one big bowl of spinach is all carb, they will believe they will get fat and sick... especially if they already look fat.

 

[Dominus]

^ See that is what I don't get about the fear of carb, especially starch, nowadays. I'm a pretty lean guy with a bit of muscle. And I'm being told by a fat person that the food I'm eating will make me fat.

 

[belamyi]

^ It is like with politics and everything: it has nothing to do with what it seemingly is being talked about, and "carbs", "socialism", "freedom", "God"... are just sounds or letters used to pronounce or write "I am right and you are wrong and ignorant" in the name of what used to have some sense, or still has sense to sensible people. But as long as you speak or write those terms with an overbearing, righteous attitude, you are giving them full sense: full air balloon sense.

Those people do not know from where those terms derive a meaning, and do not care: they just believe in them as a means to crush other people, and the name they use today as meaning everything, tomorrow can be easily thrown away, because what must remain is their own sense of righteousness.

Of course, you can not speak in these terms to them because, obviously, this also means "they are wrong, I am right": but if you try to discuss any of those terms with particular, specific cases in point, you either baffle and piss them if they sense they are actually wrong, or you are dismissed as a dirty bag of ill-willed verbiage.
In any case, laughed at or hated, it is not about reasoning, it is about self-esteem and, again, you are not talking religion, diet, politics, economy, but you are attacking their inmost self, their beliefs, no matter if it is "God hates gays", "single-payer healthcare is communism" or "the devil is in rice, potatos and bananas".

 

[rareboy]

^ See that is what I don't get about the fear of carb, especially starch, nowadays. I'm a pretty lean guy with a bit of muscle. And I'm being told by a fat person that the food I'm eating will make me fat.

But it is the same old answer...you can eat all of this because you are active and a gym bunny.

Your sister-in-law is obviously totally ignorant about nutrition and food. You could try to educate her....but why waste the effort.

Her all meat diet for her husband will kill him faster than anything.

Eat plants. Eat healthy fats. Don't eat empty processed or refined carbs.

Eat less than the recommended calorie intake for your age and bodyweight...even 100 to 200 fewer calories per day won't be noticeable to anyone.

 

[Dominus]

But it is the same old answer...you can eat all of this because you are active and a gym bunny.

LOL I can eat all of that? That is actually about 800 calories total. The satiation level is extremely high. I'm trying to drop my body fat percentage while keeping my muscle mass. At about 11-12% right now. Going for 9-10%.

Your sister-in-law is obviously totally ignorant about nutrition and food. You could try to educate her....but why waste the effort.

Her all meat diet for her husband will kill him faster than anything.

The thing is right now there are a lot of gurus out there that don't just stop at telling people to fear all carbs. There's the paleo diet, the keto diet, the carnivore diet, etc.

Eat plants. Eat healthy fats. Don't eat empty processed or refined carbs.

You and I agree on more than you think. My compliants have always been that when people say potato will make you fat they are thinking of French fries and potato chips. Instead of looking at how those are made, they blame the potato part.

I went grocery shopping a few days ago. Got a whole week's worth of food for about $30. That is the thing about plant based foods. They are cheap... and fresh. But every time I'm at the grocery store, I couldn't help but noticed some very big people with carts full of processed crap.

Healthcare providers are sending the wrong message to people. Instead of making people fear carb, they need to explain that not all carb are bad. Banana consists entirely of carb and fiber and it is impossible to get fat from it. So, instead of making all carbs the enemy, teach people that it is the processed carbs that are empty calories and addictive.

Eat less than the recommended calorie intake for your age and bodyweight...even 100 to 200 fewer calories per day won't be noticeable to anyone.

I agree completely. Unfortunately, people like me have terrible self control. I can't just have an ounce of chocolate. I can't just eat 100-200 calories less. I finish my plate. Hence, voluntary calorie restriction never worked for me. I suspect a lot of people have the same problem I do.

The carby foods in that picture above are very filling and extremely nutritious. Also has lots of fiber. And cheap, too. Like I said, I got a whole week's worth of that stuff for $30. Actually, less. Because I still have a lot left and it is almost a week already.