"If four Americans get killed, it’s not optimal."

[rareboy]

^^^

He was making derogatory comments about one the of dead men's mother to make a point. I don't think that is appropriate.

You're just bobbing and weaving here.

 

[jackoroe]

Okay so then illustrate the different Romney Policy in Libya. Say it out loud so when Romney gets into office and doesnt proceed down that path you can say he is a failure and inept.... not that he will but just a bit of a set up.

Let's stick with the point I'm making in the post. Are you or are you not comfortable with POTUS lying repeatedly about the role a movie played in the attack on our embassy? Are you comfortable with his making people who work for him mouth these same lies to the American public? It's no longer a matter of dispute. The movie claim was bullshit and they knew it.

Now repudiate it or defend it.

 

[LuvFindsAndyHardy]

Let's stick with the point I'm making in the post

Which point is that? The original point you made when starting the thread or the "never mind that, what about THIS???" point it's morphed into when the original didn't play?

I've already acknowledged that those people who have an issue with the administration's response to the Libyan attacks have an argument and that argument can, and should, be discussed, but creating nonsense like this isn't the way to go about it.

Still waiting for you to acknowledge that the word "optimal" was not referring to the deaths of four Americans.

 

[BostonPirate]

Don't hold your breath AnyHardy

jackaroe is big on demanding apologies and retractions. However, he never offers them himself when it is pointed out to him that he has carried misinformation, and defended incorrect statements.

Just let it go and understand that apparently he feels as though he is above them.

 

[JayHawk]

Let's stick with the point I'm making in the post. Are you or are you not comfortable with POTUS lying repeatedly about the role a movie played in the attack on our embassy? Are you comfortable with his making people who work for him mouth these same lies to the American public? It's no longer a matter of dispute. The movie claim was bullshit and they knew it.

Now repudiate it or defend it.

I am not sure that is what occurred because I have been in front of major issues overseas and often what is known and what is not known are difficult to ascertain. Your side of the aisle purports that simply because someone made a request and someone else made a report that it MUST have been in front of the President and it must have been a cover up. I think that is cowardly and ignorant to attempt to make something out of nothing because you can find nothing else that sticks to be critical of in his campaign or governance. Romney comes off weak and scared trying to make that point while our Ambassador was growing cold.

What is even more telling is you were very eager and quite willing to defend any failure by Bush but now it is a different flavor in the office so all of a sudden your all conspiracy the instant the news breaks. It is sad and predictable.

NOW since this is an election feel free to state what is different or your simple yelling to be heard and have no valid point.

 

[jackoroe]

Don't hold your breath AnyHardy

jackaroe is big on demanding apologies and retractions. However, he never offers them himself when it is pointed out to him that he has carried misinformation, and defended incorrect statements.

Just let it go and understand that apparently he feels as though he is above them.

And exactly what would I be apologizing for? Obama being an insensitive clod? The quote is what it is. If you think you'd like to attempt making a issue based on "context" good luck. Sean Smith's mother doesn't see it as being all that amusing. Of course Obama BinLyin has yet to provide her with the details of her son's death despite promising her just that. The appropriate response would have been something like this. "The loss of life caused by this terrorist attack was horrible and tragic." Not the myriad of lies such as the spontaneous protests and the movie trailer lie. Cut the shit and admit you fucked up.

Let's see how many of you have the moral fiber to condemn Obama's lies and how many will stand with Obama BinLyin to save his political bacon. I'm counting you and a few others as standing with the liar in chief. Not a place I'd be proud to be.

 

[rareboy]

Obama Bin Lyin?

Seriously?

 

[BostonPirate]

And exactly what would I be apologizing for? Obama being an insensitive clod? The quote is what it is. If you think you'd like to attempt making a issue based on "context" good luck. Sean Smith's mother doesn't see it as being all that amusing. Of course Obama BinLyin has yet to provide her with the details of her son's death despite promising her just that. The appropriate response would have been something like this. "The loss of life caused by this terrorist attack was horrible and tragic." Not the myriad of lies such as the spontaneous protests and the movie trailer lie. Cut the shit and admit you fucked up.

Let's see how many of you have the moral fiber to condemn Obama's lies and how many will stand with Obama BinLyin to save his political bacon. I'm counting you and a few others as standing with the liar in chief. Not a place I'd be proud to be.

I am not a participant of the tea party alternate reality.

As jayhawk pointed out, you are trying to make something out of nothing. Illogical magical thinking is all you have as support for your opinions, and yet, you present your opinions as facts and demand an apology if anyone crosses your opinions.

You are better than this, Jacaroe.

 

[JayHawk]

And exactly what would I be apologizing for? Obama being an insensitive clod? The quote is what it is. If you think you'd like to attempt making a issue based on "context" good luck. Sean Smith's mother doesn't see it as being all that amusing. Of course Obama BinLyin has yet to provide her with the details of her son's death despite promising her just that. The appropriate response would have been something like this. "The loss of life caused by this terrorist attack was horrible and tragic." Not the myriad of lies such as the spontaneous protests and the movie trailer lie. Cut the shit and admit you fucked up.

Let's see how many of you have the moral fiber to condemn Obama's lies and how many will stand with Obama BinLyin to save his political bacon. I'm counting you and a few others as standing with the liar in chief. Not a place I'd be proud to be.

Wow and as I look back in time not a word sideways against the real liar n chief... just defense... so if your liar has the blood of thousands of Americans that is a lie worth defending right Jack? Sickening people who would allow partisan bickering determine whether or not American blood is worthy... For Jack four thousand was fine for Bush's lie but four is excruciatingly too much for the not proven to be a lie statements by the Obama white house. So by your definition Jack you are bathed in the blood of dead american while you stand by a liar and chief.

 

[chance1]

Clearly The President made the right decision to say something so fucking stupid

Or maybe he didn't actually say it ......

anyone hear about the drones that stood by while the attack happened ?

 

[JayHawk]

See that is the kind of irrational story telling that comes from the right....

Did you hear about the secret strike team that was so secret they couldn't strike the terrorists who attacked.... because Obama in line with his mulim brothers didnt wanna kill his people.... did ya here? huh did ya?

 

[rareboy]

It just shows how desperate the political right (errr political wrong) will get to discredit Obama... and failing at it. The right here has become seriously unhinged and have not backed up any of their delusional statements.

Well...it is in pretty good company with Romnesia.

I have to say though. What would the hysterical right wing partisans have to carry on about if this hadn't happened in Libya?

I appreciate that there are about a half dozen guys here just Jonezing for Romney Ryan to push that Islamic Kenyan communist out of the oval office......but seriously....all I read from some of them here is this absolutely frantic diatribe about the 'ultimate failure of US presidential responsibility' when it came to a terror attack in Libya....apparently in retribution for yet another al Quaeda superstar kill by the US.

Is it just because FOX has nothing else to run with either? No salacious talking points about domestic policy or the economy?

Gotta say there lads. Trying to beat this poor canard to death with the idea of changing hearts and minds on this site is a pretty sterile exercise.

 

[BostonPirate]

lol

Politicizing the deaths of american heroes is all the radical right has to cling to at this point besides ONE good debate performance from the Bishop Rimmnie

 

[LuvFindsAndyHardy]

Clearly The President made the right decision to say something so fucking stupid

The decision to say something so fucking stupid as WHAT??

In the quote, to what, in YOUR mind, does the pronoun "it" refer?

WHAT exactly are you contending he said? Do YOU believe that the president was referring to the "deaths" as being "not optimal"?

A simple YES or NO?

 

[chance1]

Well...it is in pretty good company with Romnesia.

I have to say though. What would the hysterical right wing partisans have to carry on about if this hadn't happened in Libya?

I appreciate that there are about a half dozen guys here just Jonezing for Romney Ryan to push that Islamic Kenyan communist out of the oval office......but seriously....all I read from some of them here is this absolutely frantic diatribe about the 'ultimate failure of US presidential responsibility' when it came to a terror attack in Libya....apparently in retribution for yet another al Quaeda superstar kill by the US.

Is it just because FOX has nothing else to run with either? No salacious talking points about domestic policy or the economy?

Gotta say there lads. Trying to beat this poor canard to death with the idea of changing hearts and minds on this site is a pretty sterile exercise.

out of touch much? i understand you're NOT an american but i figured you kept up with all the issues

economic - debt, deficit, gas prices, small business invst. on the sidelines, class warfare, # of people unable to find full time or good work

couple little things

kenyan socialist? sounds like obama hatred bullshit

you're probably right about the half dozen guys who prefer romney to obama

must be quite the burden for you as a non american to have to read posts from 1/2 dozen non obama bowers

quite the burden

my dad (rest his soul) would've suggested for you to grow a pair

he'd have been right

 

[chance1]

The decision to say something so fucking stupid as WHAT??

WHAT exactly are you contending he said? Do YOU believe that the president was referring to the "deaths" as being "not optimal"?

A simple YES or NO?

thanks for the option

i'll pass

“If four Americans get killed, it is not optimal”

no it isn't optimal

and it's not a hypothetical analysis

The President was a dumb fuck for saying it

"I'm sorry"

imagine him saying that

but first he'd have to take ownership of something

other than GM and Osama Bin Laden, that'd be nothing

 

[LuvFindsAndyHardy]

I gave him an answer

No you didn't.

Stewart: "I would say and even you would admit it was not the optimal response - at least to the American people as far as all of us being on the same page."

Obama: "Here is what I will say, if four Americans get killed it is not optimal"

One more chance to preserve even a SHRED of intellectual honesty. To what is the pronoun "it" referring in the response?

 

[Benvolio]

Re: "If four Americans get killed, it’s not optimal."

Obams seems to be meaning something like the situation is not optimal. But the question was whether the response was optimal. BOs answer was not respnsive to the question and was cold and insensitive. For more so than the binder comment.

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[chance1]

No you didn't.

Stewart: "I would say and even you would admit it was not the optimal response - at least to the American people as far as all of us being on the same page."

Obama: "Here is what I will say, if four Americans get killed it is not optimal"

One more chance to preserve even a SHRED of intellectual honesty. To what is the pronoun "it" referring in the response?

Not sure why you're so twisted on this

As for shred of intellectual honesty comment

Cya

 

[BostonPirate]

perhaps because it is the root of the GOPpers dishonesty on this topic in his judgement? If so I would agree with him.