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if not for Israel's Iron Dome system, the fight would be much worst ??

Yes. The fighting would have been much worse.
 
Although I'm more on the Palestinian side I admit that in some ways both sides gain from one being so much weaker.

So in the long run both nations will need to have peaceful agreements when giving Palestine the tools to become a strong independent country. This is something Israel has to do in the long run so it can improve it's relations with the region and avoid future wars.

The US as a biased country towards Israel will never be able to negotiate peace between the two. It's pretty pointless to take that path again and again.

The UN thing is mostly symbolic and won't change things on the ground.
 
cockbrain said:
Worse as in even?
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90 or 99% of the rockets were intercepted and exploded out of harms way.
Otherwise there would be a lot more damage in Israel hence israel would have drop much more bombs trying to stop the rockets.
 
Geiri85 said:
Although I'm more on the Palestinian side I admit that in some ways both sides gain from one being so much weaker.

So in the long run both nations will need to have peaceful agreements when giving Palestine the tools to become a strong independent country. This is something Israel has to do in the long run so it can improve it's relations with the region and avoid future wars.

The US as a biased country towards Israel will never be able to negotiate peace between the two. It's pretty pointless to take that path again and again.

The UN thing is mostly symbolic and won't change things on the ground.
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Yes like many Liberals you support the Palestinians. The racist gay murderors who want the eradication of Jews and who do not have a legitamate claim to this nation or land. It is Israel which has always sought peace with the Pallys. However the Pallys don't want peace they want blood. Keep defending the people who would cut your face off.
 
You convinced me.

All countries which don't support gay rights should be occupied by the ones that do.

Really cheap move of you to play the gay card. Just because I believe the Palestinian's deserve to be independent it does not have to mean I'm a fan of their culture. Plus oppressing and isolating nations will always increase extremism. It's pretty ironic to keep them imprisoned on their own land and then complain about them being extremists.

And please don't generalize.
 
Well they are fairly imprisoned... but when they seek to smuggle things in they don't smuggle medicine or foods... nope they smuggle missiles.

They are not imprisoned on their own land. They don't have a land. If they didn't actually desire the demise of Israel they could have been living in relative success and prosperity with the Jews, Bedouin and Arabs that live in Israel.
 
Geiri85, Almost everyone agrees the Palestinians should be independent, known as the two state solution. Israel does not want Palestine and Israel to be a single country, since the Jews would be in a minority. But until the Palestinians stop attacking Israel, it is unreasonable to expect it to withdraw from Palestine. They did withdraw from Gaza and it has simply become a base for attacking Israel. But there are at least presently two unsolvable problems. Some Palestinians left Israel when Israel was formed. They have mostly lived in settlements in Lebanon and have grown in numbers to several millions. Palestine insists that they have the right to return to Israel, which of course would place the Jews in a minority. Also, both parties claim Jerusalem as its capital, and neither will compromise.
Time may solve the one problem, as those who originally lived in Israel age and die. It is not clear that many of the descendants want to live in Israel.
 
Geiri85 said:
You convinced me.

All countries which don't support gay rights should be occupied by the ones that do.

Really cheap move of you to play the gay card. Just because I believe the Palestinian's deserve to be independent it does not have to mean I'm a fan of their culture. Plus oppressing and isolating nations will always increase extremism. It's pretty ironic to keep them imprisoned on their own land and then complain about them being extremists.

And please don't generalize.
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Honestly I would support pro gay countries occupying anti gay countries. If a nation can't treat it's own people right then they shouldn't be in charge.

Next I believe in a independant Palestine when they stop hating Jews. Palestinians are in the situation they are in because they will not accept rule by Jews whom they believe to be the source of all evil. If they did not want the destruction of Israel then they could live in peace with Israel with their own nation. Next oppressing and isolation extremist nations is the only way to deal with them. if you play nice with extremists then all that happens is you embolden them.
 
Really so you support prison states because you have some weird view they are anti-gay. Hamas is not the only party within Palestine nor does it represent that many of the peoples political views. What is does offer is organization against an oppressive imperialist state stealing their land.
 
Hamas is a terrorist organization that foments hate and fear. They played a vital role in decimating the Palestinian people and then brought them food and bandaids to make themselves seem benevolent. What a crock of shit....
 
I'm not sure how Hamas can have a place at the table; isn't their mandate defective anyway? That doesn't make Israel's continuing occupation any more valid, but it kind of shows the shit storm on both sides.
 
JohnnyAnger said:
Really so you support prison states because you have some weird view they are anti-gay. Hamas is not the only party within Palestine nor does it represent that many of the peoples political views. What is does offer is organization against an oppressive imperialist state stealing their land.
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"Weird view"?

Hamas constitution . . . claims Homosexuality is an abomination

Hamas justifies beheadings, beatings, torture and killings of Homosexuals with Islamic law or unjustly claim the Homosexuals are collaborators of the enemy.
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http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/hamas-official-stand-on-homosexuality-below-should-liberals-defend-hamas/question-3332705/


This from a Hamas leader:

You in the West do not live like human beings. You do not even live like animals. You accept homosexuality. And now you criticize us?
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http://www.frumforum.com/hamas-leader-west-cannot-criticize-islam/
 
Hamas's views on that don't differ from Islam in general nor from Christianity in general tbh.
 
xbuzzerx said:
Hamas's views on that don't differ from Islam in general nor from Christianity in general tbh.
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But Christianity don't hate jews anymore.
Maybe if there is a peace treaty, islam would changed into gentler religion similar to Christianity who knows?
 
Telstra said:
But Christianity don't hate jews anymore.
Maybe if there is a peace treaty, islam would changed into gentler religion similar to Christianity who knows?
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Don't be so quick to think that. The Jewish synagogues in Los Angeles get vandalized regularly, sometimes several times a year. And plenty of the graffiti isn't Arabic or Muslim in content...

Maybe the reason Christians and Jews don't have open hostility anymore is because after WWII the west just exported them to Palestine? It's a lot easier to get along when you never have to deal with someone next door. That plus shame over WWII but frankly it's naive to think Christians love Jews.
 
xbuzzerx said:
Don't be so quick to think that. The Jewish synagogues in Los Angeles get vandalized regularly, sometimes several times a year. And plenty of the graffiti isn't Arabic or Muslim in content...

Maybe the reason Christians and Jews don't have open hostility anymore is because after WWII the west just exported them to Palestine? It's a lot easier to get along when you never have to deal with someone next door. That plus shame over WWII but frankly it's naive to think Christians love Jews.
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ok, but my prediction is atheists wins out at the end as knowledge grows ? ... :)
 
Telstra said:
ok, but my prediction is atheists wins out at the end as knowledge grows ? ... :)
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I agree that secularism is more responsible for the lack of street violence against Jews in western countries than Christianity is. Not that many people care that much about religion to go out and attack someone of a different one in the west-- general statement of course. We do have our pockets of crazy.

My only point was-- opposing Hamas on the grounds that it's anti-gay is silly as if there are so many different non-Muslim political choices in the Muslim world as alternatives and are pro-gay. Hating them for that is like hating the guy who beat up your mom because he was in an A&F t-shirt and you hate A&F.

Anti-gay is a separate issue that is fairly universal. Few of the world's major religions or religiously political groupings approve of homosexuality.
 
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