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If Obama wins this year, do you think we should ask Republicans to leave the country?

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60 % of whites voted Republican in 2010, and whites have significantly higher incomes than minorities.AllGov

If the Republicans left, Democrat-land would be left with those half of the voters too poor to pay a dime in income taxes. Even in the blue states, it is the Republicans who pay the taxes, even though the Dems have the votes to make the state blue. Suppose those Republicans left......
 
Given the governing impasse nationally and in practically every statehouse, making preparations to expatriate may not be such a bad idea. I can just drive across the state or up the coast to Canada.
 
Republicans already have pretty much left the country we've come to know and love. These republicans want regression, not progression. We've built a country where all men (are supposed to be) created equal, but republicans challenge that.

They want a theocracy where their religion is shoved down everyone's throat. A plutocracy where the richest 1% rules and enjoys the spoils. It's coming to that. Our democracy is over as far as republicans are concerned. Ship them out of here, but who in God's name wants them?
 
So what happens to those that are beginning to despise being a part of the left and the right?
 
by what means? they've got the guns ;)

They've got the guns but we have the education. Go for their weaknesses. Tell them babies are being aborted in Canada, gotta go there and stop them. There's plenty of free natural resources up for grabs to appeal to their greed.

If you tell Newt Gingrich there are women wanting affairs and free Viagra in Sweden he'll be there faster than spit through a trumpet and a bunch will follow.

That would be nasty to do to those areas tho.
 
no i dont buy it i view red states as festering tumor welfare states who need to be cut off.

And watch massive starvation in the blue areas.

Though I'll point out that you're being very undemocratic here: you should be demanding that all precincts that voted "red" be cut off, not just states. You'll be left with a "country" made up of isolated pockets of blue surrounded by lots and lots of red.
 
They've got the guns but we have the education. Go for their weaknesses. Tell them babies are being aborted in Canada, gotta go there and stop them. There's plenty of free natural resources up for grabs to appeal to their greed.

If you tell Newt Gingrich there are women wanting affairs and free Viagra in Sweden he'll be there faster than spit through a trumpet and a bunch will follow.

Why would they go to Canada? God didn't start it as a Christian nation.
 
I want to point out one massive difference between the red and blue areas, vis a vis government:

in urban areas (blue), the government does things FOR you;
in rural areas (red), the government does things TO you.


This explains the difference in attitude: blue-area people like government because they get things from it; red-are people despise government because it takes things away.

And the animosity? When those things are taken away, they're almost invariably taken away and handed over to the blue-area people. Here, our forests, streams, lakes, even beaches are being taken out of the hands of the people who live around them and handed over to droves of city people who come to exploit then go home, while the locals are left to live with the consequences -- including higher taxes, because neither the blue-area people nor the government knows how to take care of the land, so they tax people higher in order to get it wrong and then try to fix it (case in point: taking care of the back-country trails here in a twenty sq. mi. area used to be done by local volunteers at a total of around $200 from their own pockets; now that the trails have been made official and all the city people come, it takes $20k a year and an occasional $50k injection because the idiots spending the $20k are screwing it up -- which reminds me, Bob: that "education" claim of yours is a joke; it shows the same attitude that's now costing the state tens of thousands of unnecessary dollars, ruined hillsides, clogged drainages, landslides, and destroyed fish habitat... they ignore the locals because they aren't certified or have degrees, so obviously they can't know what they're doing. generally, it takes the people with degrees five to ten years to figure out what the locals told them up front, so rural folks are automatically hostile to people appearing educated -- "educated" has been shown to mean "arrogant", "condescending", "stupid", "incompetent".....)
 
People, here's the map you're really proposing (unless you want to go with precincts, in which case the red is even more overwhelming):

http://www.scientificamerican.com/media/gallery/885972CB-A460-9AA4-65A3B9625A9346D4_3.jpg

And the economic situation?

These commodities would immediately jump in price for "Blue America:

grains
most vegetables
lumber
all wood products
coal
petroleum products
meat products
gravel and other rock products

Cost of living in Blue America would jump by ten to twenty percent almost overnight. And that's not counting the border-crossing fees to move things across Red/Blue lines.
 
Those in the red areas depend on states like California for their own livelihood. You accuse those in cities of not caring or just taxing. Take a look at your own representatives and state governments. The idea that exploitation is a factor is laughable.

State government just proves my point: they happily go along with the feds in taking things away from rural people. Rural folks get told what kind of animals they can or can't have, how many trees they can or can't cut -- frak, in Oregon you don't even own the water on your own property any more, even in a pond you dug yourself!

The state of Oregon is run by city people for city people, with just enough allowance made for the rural folks that there aren't revolts.
 
Alas, these are just all hypotheticals. I doubt this is going to happen. People in certain areas in this country need to change their attitudes. People in cities are not out there to get them or exploit them. That kind of attitude does nothing but increase division. Just remember what part of this country generates the most economic activity and revenue. Just remember where the biggest ports are so food can be exported to other parts of the world. Please don't blame those in cities for your problems involving your states' government. And lets not forget who is funding a great deal of farm subsidies to protect small farms from low cost imports... but that's an entirely different topic.

At any rate, people need to learn how to live with each other better... and end the hostility. If you display hostility, you'll get hostility in return.

Republicans aren't out to get gays. That kind of attitude does nothing but increase division.
Neo-nazi skinheads aren't out to get blacks. That kind of attitude does nothing but increase division


"Protect small farms"???? Whoa -- what century are you from? The number one function of farm subsidies is to increase the profits of giant corporations, thereby helping put family farms out of business. Most farmers here would be better off if the government just got out of the way -- idiotic government regulations cost them more every year than any subsidies make up for.

Congress and the legislature are urban-dominated, and they treat the countryside and rural people like their fiefdom with serfs to be ordered and commanded to benefit the cities. Rural people can make almost no decision about their land on their own; in fact unless they're on a river designated as navigable by the federal government, they have to get permission to put a boat in the water!

I talked with a guy near here recently who wanted to level a section of his yard to put up a play castle for his kids. But because it was slightly sloped and visible from a river, it counted as river drain slope, and that meant a permit. The land is zoned agricultural, and that meant a permit. He had to have the ground tested so the government could decide what sort of anchors he could use for the play castle -- and on and on. Between state and federal, he needed five permits totally $2500 to put up a $250 play castle for his kids... and when it was all done, the approved design wasn't any different from what his old-timer neighbor told him to do in the first place!
And who invented all those idiotic permit requirements? City people -- ignoramuses with diplomas, busybodies with education.

The attitudes that need to change in this country are the ones of entitlement that let "educated" city people think they can dictate to all the people they regard as serfs, so that government of the people, by the people, and for the people means the same people in each phrase: the ones who live there.
 
This is not addressing my point, but keep blaming city people.

And rural folks aren't bright enough to know about the market and by having so many of a particular animal you could cause the priec to collapse. And trees? How about consider the environment?

Revolts lmao...

My proposal: Eliminate farming subsidies and tariffs on food imports and other primary products. Lets see who is laughing now.

Let's go ahead and add elitist to your descriptors.

You underestimate how smart these farmers and other producers are; if they wanted, they could cause the price of beef and milk to jump without a second thought. And you wouldn't have any idea whatsoever what to do about it.
 
This is not addressing my point, but keep blaming city people.

And rural folks aren't bright enough to know about the market and by having so many of a particular animal you could cause the priec to collapse. And trees? How about consider the environment?

Revolts lmao...

My proposal: Eliminate farming subsidies and tariffs on food imports and other primary products. Lets see who is laughing now.


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Yes, rural folks understand the market. Moron bureaucrats assume they don't.

And the rural folks know one hell of a lot more about the environment than anyone from outside. You know what the federal environmental rules have accomplished for this county? They destroy wetlands, ruin fishing, clog waterways, make forests at high risk for tree disease, encourage invasive species, turn natural native forest into dense tangles of imported vegetation, contribute to landslides....

The people here know what the land is like. All my life I've watched 'bright' government types with degrees and environmental education come in and decide how to do things, ignoring the advice of the locals, and down the line a dozen years watch it cost taxpayers millions (upwards of $30 mn in one case) before government critters realized it should have been done the way the locals already knew. Highways, bridges, dredging... it doesn't matter, the government screws it up and the locals pay -- like the recent two-year battle with FEMA and their expensive scientists doing a new flood-plain determination, which had places in a twenty-year flood zone that haven't had a flood in the memory even of the local tribes, and then millions of dollars in legal expenses to get it challenged and finally double--checked, only to find that those scientists never put a foot on the ground checking actual flood data! and that after assuring everyone that their figures were without error, learning half of it rested on a calibration error that had one side of a river flowing a meter higher than the other! That process cost millions, and in the end it came down to doing what the locals said in the first place: send engineers around with the landowners to look at past flood evidence, and go from there. After nearly ten million dollars wasted, they wised up and got it right.


Oh -- trees: farmers here would like to put in more trees. Thanks to regulations, they're not allowed to. That kind of idiocy is why one farmer decided he was just going to blow the dikes on his pasture and move (neighbors pointed out he'd better dike their fields first, because they weren't moving... which changed his mind).

And as for number of animals, the locals are a generation ahead of the government on that -- when the Dept. of Agr. came out with their latest critters per acre figures, everyone laughed, and the farmers co-ops got together to write letters telling the government to wise up and not allow so many animals per unit area, that they were doing it wrong by trying to calculate defecation and runoff, ground compression from hooves, and such, when they should have been asking the question of what population density provides for optimal health for the herd. The second answer is substantially lower than the guesstimates the government had.
 
Let's go ahead and add elitist to your descriptors.

You underestimate how smart these farmers and other producers are; if they wanted, they could cause the price of beef and milk to jump without a second thought. And you wouldn't have any idea whatsoever what to do about it.


Yeah -- with the networking a friend's dad in Minnesota showed me, it's scary what they could do. While in his (air-conditioned) combine rolling across the field, he can consult market prices around the world for hundreds of different things, at the same time watching the soil analysis display, and click to chat/talk with any one of many dozens of farmers in his area that he's linked to. Hooked through the granges, they could forge an agreement to charge 30% more for corn in the fall, that would cover the entire midwest... without ever leaving the combine (though he'd probably go through a few cold ones from the on-board fridge).
 
They've got the guns but we have the education. Go for their weaknesses. Tell them babies are being aborted in Canada, gotta go there and stop them. There's plenty of free natural resources up for grabs to appeal to their greed.

If you tell Newt Gingrich there are women wanting affairs and free Viagra in Sweden he'll be there faster than spit through a trumpet and a bunch will follow.

That would be nasty to do to those areas tho.


Oh Christ.

Don't send them here. They've fucked up the world already. We don't need them.

Send them to Israel. They all seem to pop a chub for that part of the world. It would also give them something to do; converting Jews and Muslims to Christianity.
 
NYC is a hotbed of economic activity.

but I question what the Wall Street cleaning lady making minimum wage is going to do when food prices skyrocket because the corn belt is now a foreign country and all food has to be flown or shipped in (assuming the red states don't take advantage of the fact that they also control most of the guns/military and don't embargo the blue states)

She can get her corn from Canada. No problem. We'll even grow more of it on our farm if that helps.

I think that one thing that would happen is that the northeast states and the provinces form Ontario eastward would end up forming an even stronger trading bloc.

the other thing that will happen is that she'll have a lot less garbage calories in her food as she no longer bulks up like the cattle in our corrals here.
 
To be fair, there are yokel farmers amongst the bright sparks. There are generally not yokel physicists.
 
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