I'm confused about the new Karate Kid movie

[gsdx]

That's called "updating", because the original was too dated

They can update and keep the essence of the original movie. In the original, there were only 3 zombies, and they did little more than skulk around the house and the graveyard.

Remakes rarely work and it's the originals which endure, and they will continue to endure for generations to come. 'Updating' doesn't make it good.

 

[Kulindahr]

Well, while we're at it...you need "e.g.," and "i.e.," NOT "e.g.", and "i.e.",

In proper grammar, the comma (or any punctuation) always proceeds the quotation mark, not trails. But then again, you should already know that since you wanted to pick apart my post as if you were the Dean of the English and Literature Dept.

Actually, that's not so. Both patterns are acceptable. I prefer the logically correct pattern, with the comma outside the quotes, since I am not quoting a comma.

 

[Kulindahr]

The interview in question shows Jaden with his hair out looking like his mom when she was doing the band Wicked Wisdom... find that one.

Am I supposed to google that phrase?

 

[Kulindahr]

Here's one where he sounds like an eleven-year old working very hard to sound adult:

http://video.about.com/movies/Jaden-Smith-Interview.htm

 

[Kulindahr]

At this point, with three other posters having seen the exact same interview and with you lacking the ability to find it on the site we all used to get it, and with you still looking for it and griping about it, i don't really care what you do concerning it.

I followed the only link in this thread that went to an interview, and it goes to the Today Show, and starts immediately, and gives no options for other interviews.

Maybe instead of being lazy and rude, you should actually pay attention to the posts, and you'd have figured that out, and just posted the link.

 

[Kulindahr]

This one's interesting -- I don't know if this is what was meant by "his hair down", though:

http://video.about.com/movies/Jackie-Chan-Jaden-Smith.htm

 

[jizzeater]

They can update and keep the essence of the original movie. In the original, there were only 3 zombies, and they did little more than skulk around the house and the graveyard.

Remakes rarely work and it's the originals which endure, and they will continue to endure for generations to come. 'Updating' doesn't make it good.

That was a sarcastic post by me. That's just another thing about remakes that bugs me: changing things around for no apparent reason, such as making it kung fu instead of karate.

 

[Kulindahr]

That was a sarcastic post by me. That's just another thing about remakes that bugs me: changing things around for no apparent reason, such as making it kung fu instead of karate.

But is it so important to the actual story that it be karate?If they'd changed it to boxing, that would be different, but in the essentials important to the story, kung fu and karate both fit.

 

[jizzeater]

But is it so important to the actual story that it be karate?If they'd changed it to boxing, that would be different, but in the essentials important to the story, kung fu and karate both fit.

The movie is called "The Karate Kid"! Changing it to kung fu eliminates the character of Mr. Miyagi and his WWII back story.

That was only the most obvious example of changes they made, and the topic of this thread, so I used it.

 

[GM1985]

I totally agree about absolutely disliking celebrities that have a high opinion of themselves. Its a total turn off for anyone to act like they are the bee's knee's and for children to be doing it is even worse, especially ones that are supposed to know better.

I noticed this on alot of people recently (e.g Miley Cyrus) and some of them aren't even that famous/have talent worthy of their fame.

 

[Kulindahr]

In all the interviews I tracked down, I didn't see him as having a high opinion of himself. Mostly he seemed like an eleven-year-old kid who was pretty confident, and occasionally a little out of his depth.

 

[AllMan]

Actually, that's not so. Both patterns are acceptable. I prefer the logically correct pattern, with the comma outside the quotes, since I am not quoting a comma.

Um, no, actually you are very incorrect! Proper APA format (are you even familiar with the APA) dictates that punctuation (especially commas) always remains inside the parent end quote, unless it is a colon or semicolon, or if the question mark/exclamation point does not directly apply to the quote.

5. In all the examples above, note how the period or comma punctuation always comes before the final quotation mark.

There is no such thing as "both patterns are acceptable."

Unless you have a master's degree or a doctorate degree, then there is nothing left for us to discuss! I didn't write the rules, I'm simply pointing them out to you. Accept your deficiencies and move on.

http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/577/01/
http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/577/03/

 

[Kulindahr]

I do happen to have a master's degree.

And before I started writing my story in the story forum here, I check to see the latest fads in punctuation, and discovered that indeed both methods are acceptable.

I'll stick with the logical one,which doesn't include things not being quoted inside quote marks.

But besides that, "e.g." and "i.e." are matters of correct word usage, not just style. I prefer precision in both -- and placing something within quote marks which is not part of the quote is not precise, any more than placing an equals sign like this:

2*(3+x=)7

 

[AllMan]

^^^^of course you would say that...you are indeed a funny character, ATTEMPTING to compare grammatically-derived quotation marks with parenthetical algebraic expressions.

But, have it your way within your own little world, incorrect as it may be!

 

[gsdx]

And before I started writing my story in the story forum here, I check to see the latest fads in punctuation, and discovered that indeed both methods are acceptable.

I'll stick with the logical one,which doesn't include things not being quoted inside quote marks.

I don't understand, then, why all your other punctuation goes inside the quotation marks. The only time commas are acceptable outside quotation marks is if there was no comma in the quoted phrase. For instance, when you wrote "before I started writing", there wasn't a comma there. Were I to include it in the quotation, I would, in effect, be misquoting you.

I Googled to find out where both methods are acceptable but I couldn't find any references to it. All the sites I went to declared that, as least here in North America, the comma follows the final word inside the close quote in narratives. I've never, ever, seen it placed outside.

 

[AllMan]

All the sites I went to declared that...the comma follows the final word inside the close quote in narratives. I've never, ever, seen it placed outside.

THANK YOU!!! But, of course, he is using his own created language style where he "stick with" his own methods that he "prefer"...so he doesn't have to follow correct English standards in the deranged world he lives in!

 

[Kulindahr]

^^^^of course you would say that....have it your way within your own little world, incorrect as it may be!

I did a lot of grammatical analysis for my master's, and discovered that the more common punctuation rules were invented by stylists -- and they don't work at all with grammatical analysis.

Technically, a comma is not a punctuation mark, it is logical section of a sentence. The mark should thus be placed to delineate the border of the section. A quote mark is also a logical section of the sentence. That mark, too, should be placed to delineate the border of the section.

Quotes are parallel in function to parentheses (which are also a logical function of a sentence). It would be silly to write, "I have three dogs (labradors,) but none is female" -- so it is likewise silly to put the comma mark inside quotes.

Though the style I prefer be a minority, it is acceptable, and I'll take the logical and sensible over the stylish any day.

 

[Kulindahr]

I don't understand, then, why all your other punctuation goes inside the quotation marks. The only time commas are acceptable outside quotation marks is if there was no comma in the quoted phrase. For instance, when you wrote "before I started writing", there wasn't a comma there. Were I to include it in the quotation, I would, in effect, be misquoting you.

That describes exactly what I'm doing: unless a comma is part of the actual quote, the comma goes outside. Thus when I put e.g. in quotes, it's "e.g.", because that comma isn't part of the item I'm delineating. So by this rule, AllMan's original post is incorrect; it should in fact be "i.e.", and "e.g.", after all.

The only punctuation that goes inside the quotations marks is what's part of the material there. For example, if I write:

"Johnny said he's going home", Suzy announced.​

that tells me Johnny's statement was complete. But if I write:

"Johnny said he's going home," Suzy announced.​

then it indicates that a comma occurred in Johnny's statement, that he said more, and Suzy isn't reporting it.

I Googled to find out where both methods are acceptable but I couldn't find any references to it. All the sites I went to declared that, as least here in North America, the comma follows the final word inside the close quote in narratives. I've never, ever, seen it placed outside.

I don't remember where I found it, or exactly what I googled; to check I just did a google and picked some references.

 

[AllMan]

I did a lot of grammatical analysis for my master's, and discovered that the more common punctuation rules were invented by stylists -- and they don't work at all with grammatical analysis.
[STRIKE]
Technically, a comma is not a punctuation mark, it is logical section of a sentence. The mark should thus be placed to delineate the border of the section. A quote mark is also a logical section of the sentence. That mark, too, should be placed to delineate the border of the section.

Quotes are parallel in function to parentheses (which are also a logical function of a sentence). It would be silly to write, "I have three dogs (labradors,) but none is female" -- so it is likewise silly to put the comma mark inside quotes.

Though the style I prefer be a minority, it is acceptable, and I'll take the logical and sensible over the stylish any day.[/STRIKE]

[STRIKE]That describes exactly what I'm doing: unless a comma is part of the actual quote, the comma goes outside. Thus when I put e.g. in quotes, it's "e.g.", because that comma isn't part of the item I'm delineating. So by this rule, AllMan's original post is incorrect; it should in fact be "i.e.", and "e.g.", after all.

The only punctuation that goes inside the quotations marks is what's part of the material there. For example, if I write:

"Johnny said he's going home", Suzy announced.​

that tells me Johnny's statement was complete. But if I write:

"Johnny said he's going home," Suzy announced.​

then it indicates that a comma occurred in Johnny's statement, that he said more, and Suzy isn't reporting it.[/STRIKE]


I don't remember where I found it, or exactly what I googled; to check I just did a google and picked some references.

Just...wrong. ALL WRONG!!!!!

How is it possible to be SO wrong and cocky at the same time????????????

 

[gsdx]

It would be silly to write, "I have three dogs (labradors,) but none is female" -- so it is likewise silly to put the comma mark inside quotes.

That is because there is no need to place a comma there in the first place, so your argument is moot.

The only punctuation that goes inside the quotations marks is what's part of the material there. For example, if I write:

"Johnny said he's going home", Suzy announced.​

that tells me Johnny's statement was complete.

Firstly, it's not Johnny's statement. It's Suzy's statement. She is simply relating something Johnny said, but she's not quoting him.

Secondly, why are you the only person to write it like that? I've read a lot of books and I've never, ever seen an author place a comma outside a quotation mark in a narration in my entire life.

I believe you are mistaking commas and narration with commas and quotation. There is a huge difference. Your reasoning is correct as far as literal quotations are concerned, but not where narratives are concerned.