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I'm into him. I think he's into me? Closet Case, or just friends?

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Hi, I posted this on another forum, but I will post it here as well, I need all the advice I can get.

This is a long post but I'll be so happy if anyone answers/reads it. If you want you can skip the background story and go to the last 3-4 paragraphs, but I feel the understanding the proper context is necessary.

First, let me begin by saying I’m eighteen years old, have been with only a 1 or 2 girls in my life and 1 or 2 guys that no one knows about. Basically, everyone thinks I’m straight, but I’m bisexual with a lean towards guys :). Anyway, let me begin my question of whether or not my friend is into me or not, and whether or not we have something going. For anonymity sake, I will call my friend “Adam.”

Adam and I met in the beginning of Freshmen year of college which was in September of this year. We’ve chilled, partied, etc. , but one thing I noticed was that Adam would go OUT OF his way not to hook up with girls. Girls would be all over him, yet he would distance himself every time they got closer. One of my other friends at the university who went to the same high school as Adam(they’re close friends) claimed that Adam had never hooked up with a girl ever. This shocked me as Adam is both attractive and charming. It was funny at the same time because I would act in the same manner so perhaps he noticed.

Anyway the year went by, and my friendship with Adam strengthened. We lived in separate dorms, hanged out with the same group of friends, but every morning he would text message me and see if I wanted to eat with him. He was closer to others in our circle of friends at this time, but still would most of the time contact me. This struck me as odd, but I didn’t care because I was starting to have a crush on him :). Towards the end of the school year things changed even more, I noticed that after a few drinks he would always put his arm around me. Now I know this is common, but it would be for a slightly longer time than just a pat on the back. Naturally, I returned the favor and we would have our arms around eachother for a few minutes. From an outside observer I guess it just looked like a “bunch of bros enjoying the night.” And it was.

The school year was coming to a close, and I would not see Adam for a while, or so I thought. Adam had gotten a job over the summer at the university which was high paying. He said I should look into getting a job, and if I did we should be roommates. I was excited about this idea, and I got the job; Adam and I were going to be roommates all summer! This is where things start to get interesting, as I think I’m in love.

There have been some signs that Adam may be interested, but I may be looking to deep into it .Since we spend a lot of time together we do a lot of talking and one thing I notice is we always look each other in the eye longer than usual, I don’t know how to explain it but its sort of a connection, whenever were around each other we’re always smiling etc. He’s always kind of playfully teasing me, and we always kind of “play fight.” I know this is a sign of friendship, but I feel like he acts differently around me and things keep adding up. We have a couch in our room and, and somehow we always end up with our arms kind of touching or leaning against eachother; we never move them away. Now I don’t know, again if this is me, but I would assume it would be natural to move them away.

K now here comes the reason I have come to the forum making this post. A week or two ago I noticed shaking underneath my bed in the midst of the night. ( we have bunk beds, I sleep on the top). It could only be one thing :), he was obviously jerking off. As you could imagine I was happy about this and my naughty self pretended I was still asleep, even though I was listening with a hard on the whole time. A few days later again, I am awoken by the creaking sound of the bed, and the jerking sound of Adam beneath me. So, I did something unexpected, I returned the creaking sound by kind of shifting my body on the bed so he could hear it, and he did. He went silent for about 2-3 minutes and went at it again. The signs were too much and when I heard it again I made noise on my bed by shifting and kind of moving my body on the bed; he didn’t stop and kept going. That was it for that night, I didn’t want to push my luck.

Yesterday night it’s the same thing, this time I purposely wake him up by jerking on top of my bed so it makes noise. He wakes up and I hear him shifting and then I hear the jerking noise. We both start shifting a lot and I think he was jerking it too((air conditioner makes it hard to tell). It was apparent that we were both awake, and that we were both moving in our beds. What made me think he was jerking it too was that there was a bout of shaking underneath my bed(with what sounded like a moan) and then silence, and we all know what that means.

However the only thing is, when its morning time, he acts like nothing happened! And I act the same way. I don’t want to jeopardize our friendship with the small chance that I was wrong about what had happened. And even if I confronted him, I feel like he would deny it right now( he’s very conservative, believes lots of stereotypes, and generally doesn’t do a lot of thinking). I feel like he’s one of those repressed closet cases, its actually kind of sad. Anyway, if you’ve read this whole post I applaud you, its good to get this out of my system even if only one person who reads it. I come to you asking advice, what should be my next move? Am I blinded by love? Are these signs of interest or just friendship. Any tips would be appreciated. Thanks!
 
I'd say you have a great friendship with a chance of there being something more. To find out you'll have to "hit on him" and see what happens. If he's not ready to admit he's into you then he may not react like you hope. I guess just drop a few more hints and see what happens. Maybe bring up the topic of girls/sex/jacking and see where it goes.
 
I hate/love the feelings I have for him, never felt this way about ANYONE before. It's like I can't get him off of my mind. But, I don't want to set myself up for a heartbreak.

I know there have been lots of cases of the gay/bi guy falling for the "straight" one. But, this feels different. I don't even know if he's straight, even though he acts entirely straight, and always points out hot girls etc. It just seems like an act. And the whole bed thing.. its just weird.

Also, any time something sexual is brought up he changes the subject or ignores it! Like he doesn't want to talk about it.
 
The obvious thing to do now is to come out to him. "We've been getting kinda tight lately, and because of that, I think there's something you should know about. I'm bi. I'm not really ready to let the world know just yet, but I think it's something I can share with you." This will be his signal. If he's gay or bi, he now knows he can entrust you with that information. And if he's interested in you, he'll know you're at least up for it.

Lex
 
The obvious thing to do now is to come out to him. "We've been getting kinda tight lately, and because of that, I think there's something you should know about. I'm bi. I'm not really ready to let the world know just yet, but I think it's something I can share with you." This will be his signal. If he's gay or bi, he now knows he can entrust you with that information. And if he's interested in you, he'll know you're at least up for it.

Lex

I... can't. I haven't come out to any one person yet; I'm not ready. I don't want to make things awkward either since we will be living with one another the rest of the summer.

Also, its much harder to explain, but he's one of those people that keeps his true feelings hidden inside. I don't know how he would react in such a situation.

Ugh, it's got to be a mutual thing if anything. I don't want him knowing if he's not bi, because I know my other friends will probably find out somehow. It's got to be both of us at the same time or none.

I'm probably around 65-70% sure he is too.
 
>>>I... can't. I haven't come out to any one person yet; I'm not ready. I don't want to make things awkward either since we will be living with one another the rest of the summer.

If you're not ready, then my advice is to make yourself ready. Because even if he IS gay and interested, he's going to be looking to you for a sign that you're interested, as well. And if all you're going to offer is "not pulling away when he puts his arm around you" and "not objecting when he masturbates in the same room as you", he's eventually going to assume this is a dead end, and look elsewhere.

Look, if he's gay/bi, then he's in precisely the same situation as you. Interested, wondering if something might happened, worried that you won't return the feelings, and terrified that you might betray his secret to the rest of the world. And so if he is gay - and yeah, there's a decent chance of that - then he's not going to go blabbing your secret to your friends, because to betray that secret is to betray his own. ("I've got a secret to tell - InTime is TOTALLY gay! Seriously! Last night, when I was fucking him, he stayed hard the WHOLE time!") And if he IS gay, then yeah, he's probably gonna keep his true feelings hidden. Because he doesn't want anybody to know, and he doesn't have anybody to share these feelings with. By coming out to him, you give him the opportunity to finally talk about "digging guys" - something you probably wish you could talk about with somebody, as well.

And if he isn't gay? (And yes, there's still a decent chance of that.) Then you'll at least know. You won't be waiting for something to happen that isn't gonna happen. I know that's tough, because we almost would much rather live in a state of not knowing, where at least there's a CHANCE that eventually he'll climb into bed with us, then know for certain that he isn't gonna. But it IS much better to know. You don't want to waste valuable college time mooning over a guy who won't be returning the attention, when there's plenty of guys out there who'd love to give you a roll. And as a bonus, you'll show that you're somebody he can confide in, even if he isn't gay. Because we all need somebody we can pour our hearts out to.

Give it some thought.

Lex
 
>>>I... can't. I haven't come out to any one person yet; I'm not ready. I don't want to make things awkward either since we will be living with one another the rest of the summer.

If you're not ready, then my advice is to make yourself ready. Because even if he IS gay and interested, he's going to be looking to you for a sign that you're interested, as well. And if all you're going to offer is "not pulling away when he puts his arm around you" and "not objecting when he masturbates in the same room as you", he's eventually going to assume this is a dead end, and look elsewhere.

Look, if he's gay/bi, then he's in precisely the same situation as you. Interested, wondering if something might happened, worried that you won't return the feelings, and terrified that you might betray his secret to the rest of the world. And so if he is gay - and yeah, there's a decent chance of that - then he's not going to go blabbing your secret to your friends, because to betray that secret is to betray his own. ("I've got a secret to tell - InTime is TOTALLY gay! Seriously! Last night, when I was fucking him, he stayed hard the WHOLE time!") And if he IS gay, then yeah, he's probably gonna keep his true feelings hidden. Because he doesn't want anybody to know, and he doesn't have anybody to share these feelings with. By coming out to him, you give him the opportunity to finally talk about "digging guys" - something you probably wish you could talk about with somebody, as well.

And if he isn't gay? (And yes, there's still a decent chance of that.) Then you'll at least know. You won't be waiting for something to happen that isn't gonna happen. I know that's tough, because we almost would much rather live in a state of not knowing, where at least there's a CHANCE that eventually he'll climb into bed with us, then know for certain that he isn't gonna. But it IS much better to know. You don't want to waste valuable college time mooning over a guy who won't be returning the attention, when there's plenty of guys out there who'd love to give you a roll. And as a bonus, you'll show that you're somebody he can confide in, even if he isn't gay. Because we all need somebody we can pour our hearts out to.

Give it some thought.

Lex

Thanks for your advice, I really appreciate it. I feel like if I had one -- just one-- more shred of evidence of him being bi, I would tell him. We still have a few weeks left together as roommates, and I feel like I will probably tell him how I feel before those weeks are over.

I just wish there was some way of testing or gauging him, but he is so hard to read. Maybe we should get a few drinks one night and take it from there? hah. I mean judging by our body language together you'd think we were a couple, but when we talk to one another its different. It's a real pain!
 
>>>I just wish there was some way of testing or gauging him, but he is so hard to read.

And you? How easy are you to read or gauge? :) It seems we all want to see everybody else's cards before we show our own. But sometimes, we gotta just grow a pair and make the first move. Sucks, but there it is.

And just for the record, life out of the closet kicks so much ass, you can't even comprehend. :)

Lex
 
>>>I just wish there was some way of testing or gauging him, but he is so hard to read.

And you? How easy are you to read or gauge? :) It seems we all want to see everybody else's cards before we show our own. But sometimes, we gotta just grow a pair and make the first move. Sucks, but there it is.

And just for the record, life out of the closet kicks so much ass, you can't even comprehend. :)

Lex

I feel like I'm a little easier to read or gauge; but also, he has less to fear from me than I from him. Like I said, he comes from a very conservative family and has expressed very "traditional" views on things. I hate to say it, but he's kind of "close-minded," in a sense.
I, on the other hand, am very outspoken in my progressive views, and have said lots of things that should put him at ease in acting or saying things to me. But i'd say as far as move making goes, we're on the same level.
 
Like I said, he comes from a very conservative family and has expressed very "traditional" views on things. I hate to say it, but he's kind of "close-minded," in a sense.

Wondering wether you have had a discussion with him about gay/bi guys. If you are so against coming out to him now, maybe once you can have a little conversation about this topic (of course, you have to clearly show you are gay-supportive before he freaks out), and in case he doesn't say something like "I totally hate them", that would be a good opportunity to mention "You know, actually I'm bi as well". In fact, you even should say this otherwise he might have an impression you have lied to him if you decide to come out to him only later, after this conversation.
 
I would just bring up an gay issue with him and see his reaction. when yall are talking just tell him that i was online and the are still fighting over that prop 8 i wish they would just let gay people get marry and move on. And see his reaction and that will tell you if hes for or aganst it if he keeps going on and on ask him are you gay or bisexual and see what he says or do.
 
You're more progressive and outgoing. He's more conservative. Do you really think he's going to give you the evidence you need?

Leave the alcohol out of it. If you introduce anything with alcohol, it can all be denied later and blamed on the drink; then you'll be driving yourself crazy wondering if it was just the drink.

You're falling in love with him. In ten years, will you look back and wish you would have at least made the attempt at opening up to him? Where will this friendship go anyway if you don't pursue this at all?

I'm not telling you to go for it. However, I am telling you that if you don't go for it in some way, you better be okay with never having done so down the road.
 
Wondering wether you have had a discussion with him about gay/bi guys. If you are so against coming out to him now, maybe once you can have a little conversation about this topic (of course, you have to clearly show you are gay-supportive before he freaks out), and in case he doesn't say something like "I totally hate them", that would be a good opportunity to mention "You know, actually I'm bi as well". In fact, you even should say this otherwise he might have an impression you have lied to him if you decide to come out to him only later, after this conversation.

The problem is EVERYTIME anything remotely sexual is brought up like this he'll change the subject, remain silent, shrug, or just say "I dunno." I've never directly asked him if he was straight/bi/gay, but I feel like he would just answer straight just so he didn't need to talk about it.
 
I... can't. I haven't come out to any one person yet; I'm not ready. I don't want to make things awkward either since we will be living with one another the rest of the summer.

Also, its much harder to explain, but he's one of those people that keeps his true feelings hidden inside. I don't know how he would react in such a situation.

Ugh, it's got to be a mutual thing if anything. I don't want him knowing if he's not bi, because I know my other friends will probably find out somehow. It's got to be both of us at the same time or none.

I'm probably around 65-70% sure he is too.

Well, nothings going to happen at this rate. How is he suppose to know that you're interested in men if you don't tell him, and vice versa? Coming out to people is the next big step for you. And why do you not want him knowing your sexuality if he doesn't turn out to be bi? He's still your friend, and if he was truly a good friend, he wouldn't be bothered by your sexuality.
 
>>>I've never directly asked him if he was straight/bi/gay, but I feel like he would just answer straight just so he didn't need to talk about it.

And if somebody asked you directly if you we straight/bi/gay, it seems like you would just answer "straight" as well. That's why I'm in favor of coming out to him. Because it ceases being a "why don't you tell me your deepest darkest secret", and becomes a "I'm willing to put my cards on the table."

Lex
 
you live in the same room, find yourself in situations where you're changing with him in the room, see how he reacts or if he looks. have you noticed anything like that?

Also when you have morning wood, walk to the bathroom. Bunkbeds are the perfect platform for him to see you from the waist down when you either get up or down from it.

Also, can you look down and see if he is actually jerkin off?

Finally, work it so you watch porn with the guy. Then say he can take care of business if he needs, etc.

OR you go for guys that you know are gay. that is 100% easier and more fulfilling (easier isn't the same as easy, btw)
 
you live in the same room, find yourself in situations where you're changing with him in the room, see how he reacts or if he looks. have you noticed anything like that?

Also when you have morning wood, walk to the bathroom. Bunkbeds are the perfect platform for him to see you from the waist down when you either get up or down from it.

Also, can you look down and see if he is actually jerkin off?

Finally, work it so you watch porn with the guy. Then say he can take care of business if he needs, etc.

OR you go for guys that you know are gay. that is 100% easier and more fulfilling (easier isn't the same as easy, btw)

Since we go to the gym together, we always take a shower right after and end up changing at the same. I do notice that he'll always be walking around in his boxers, or he'll walk near me as he's changing and jokingly pretend to flex and be like "wow look at me, I'm jacked." Then he'll jokingly tease me or I'll tease him back, "you wish you looked like this." etc. Happens every time though.

As for the morning wood, I laughed when I saw that, because I do exactly that EVERY morning.

Edit: I'm almost 100% sure he was jerking off and he knew I was awake and most likely jerking off too. If I do look and see him jerking what would I say? lol
 
"You first"

"No, you go first"

"Nah, that's okay. You go first"

"Well, I was going to tell you something but... you go first"

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