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I'm losing it---advice needed.

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Hi guys,

So I got out of a 6 year relationship for about a year and several months now. Dated several guys, but this last guy I dated was different.

We met at a house party. We really hit it off on our first date and we had so many things in common: video games, anime, movies, etc From that very first date he would text me everyday and always was very interested in what I was doing and asking when we could spend more time together. I let him into my life and spent most of my free time with him. We'd meet for lunch, have dinners etc. It was great having someone who was so attentive and passionate. He had me delete grindr and he deleted his. I was ok with it as I wasn't using it at the time anyways.

A couple weeks into dating, he wanted me to meet him outside his work. I told him, I could do that sometimes, but not come to expect it. He got aggravated, but he still came over to my place afterwards. The next morning a friend texts and ask where "Joe" is. I said Joe is lying next to me in bed why? My friend says he sees Joe on Grindr. I look over and see the screen briefly. I ask him if it was Grindr and he denies it. I said I wouldn't be mad, just be honest. He continues denying it until about an hour later where he finally confessed. I told him again, I don't care as long as you're being honest about it. He claims it was just to catch up on some friends he had on there. I accepted it even though the incident was still in my mind.

We continue dating and everything is great. He really pushes to become boyfriends, and while I see the potential I felt it was way too soon yet. He continues asking and it's the same answer from me. He continues to show a heavy interest as he would call/text 15+ times if I don't respond within several minutes, and ask if I am ok? I felt it was a little crazy, but a part of me liked the attention and felt he really cared.
After a while, I noticed he would be on his phone at times and kind of hide what he is texting. I ask him, and he says just friends. Once in while he would go hang out with these friends when I couldn't. He assures me they are just friends. I like him more and more as time goes on though and get really used to hanging out with him.

Flash forward several months, and he tells me he checked my phone and browsing history. He found nothing, but an old video I had. All my friends are telling me some of his behavior was suspect and felt that since he checked my phone, I had the right to check his. I didn't want to do it behind his back so I asked him directly. He said text messages are really private, but he can show me all his pictures (that he claims are just for him and he doesn't send to anyone). I didn't want to push it, so I was like ok. We still continue to click very well and spend on weekends and some weeknights together.

A couple weeks later it is going to be his birthday and I was contemplating thinking of agreeing to be his bf in addition to a gift of a figure he really wanted. We were basically boyfriends in everything but title at this point. That Friday night we go see a movie and everything was great. A problem had come up with one of my friends that kept me awake while he fell asleep. Lo and behold, his phone went off and it was just too tempting. I gave in and checked his phone. Let's just say the "friends" he spent the night with were more than just friends. Flirty text messages, pic swapping, etc. I look at all these messages and I know they are not friends because some of them are just numbers with no contact information. This had been going on for as long as we had known eachother. Then I check the thread for his ex bf. The last thing he texted him was I love you. I was heartbroken, sad, mad, all rolled into one. I waited til the morning, and wished he would somehow have an explanation for everything.

I looked him in the face and said Joe can I ask you some questions. He said sure.

"We are dating exclusively right?"

"Yes."

"You are no longer seeing your ex?"

"Yeah, he cheated on me and did all these things to me..."

At this point, after lying to my face yet again, my voice cracked and I called him a liar.

He asked me what I meant and what I did. I said I went through his phone and saw everything. He tried to give me grief for going through his phone, but I apologized. He hugs me and tries to explain everything away. He says this is blank from my phone, this is so and so from my phone, but never once got to the texts that were incriminating.

I said you need to get your stuff and go because you are being shady. I feel awful...

He went to the rest room, came back and didn't say a word and starts grabbing his stuff. As he walking out the door, I ask him why did he lie to me. He wouldn't even look me in the face and had this look I can't even describe on his face and just left.

sigh, so that was about 2 weeks ago. I'm still having a hard time dealing with this as I ended up caring a lot about him. How do I reconcile what my heart is telling me versus what my logical mind is telling me? I kicked him out, but I missed afterwards... I was so out of it, I literally contemplated getting back together. He'll randomly check up on me still and says he still has feelings for me, and misses me, but it's just not the same as before. Yet he still never explain why he did any of the things he did or even a simple I'm sorry. It's left me feeling up and down.

Any advice on how I just put this whole thing behind me? Was I played? and I still being played?

I need the help of more experienced Jubbers.
 
Well I'm sure I don't have to tell you this, but do NOT get back together with him. It's the easy thing to do now, but overall it's going to be much harder when he does the same again.
I think the best thing for you to do is to demand some sort of reasoning out of him, I would think he owes you that much and it would provide you with some closure, you're not going to feel better immediately either way, but with time you will.
 
The constant lying is what really gets me. Someone who lies like that is worthless. I get the feeling you are basically honest and expect the same out of others. I'm the same way. There are other guys in the world like you, just not a lot. Keep looking. I found one seven years ago and love him more today than ever. You want a partner in life who raises you up and holds you to a higher standard, not the opposite.

Keep looking and stay true to your principles.
 
Any advice on how I just put this whole thing behind me? Was I played? and I still being played?

No, you were dating an addict. And like all addicts, he lied, he snuck around, he cheated, he promised and then he lied again.

Where you went wrong is that you saw the signs but you chose to ignore them.
 
Sorry you are hurting.

Let me advise this for you whenever you are missing him or second guessing kicking him out. Think back to the text he wrote his ex and be grateful you found that out. Any time that you consider taking him back remember that he's incapable of trusting you because he can't fully commit to one person. It's called projection when a person suspects or accuses their partner of the very thing they are doing.

His possessiveness and control issues where big warning signs. I think it helps to separate the person from their actions just to make things less confusing for you and your emotions. I'm assuming he had some good qualities and did some nice things. But he's messed up to say the least. When a pleasant feeling comes over you when thinking about him acknowledge it but think about his behavior which makes him incapable of being in a healthy relationship.

This is a time to rely on friends and to keep busy. Every day without getting sucked back in will make the next day easier. Good luck.
 
Well I'm sure I don't have to tell you this, but do NOT get back together with him. It's the easy thing to do now, but overall it's going to be much harder when he does the same again.
I think the best thing for you to do is to demand some sort of reasoning out of him, I would think he owes you that much and it would provide you with some closure, you're not going to feel better immediately either way, but with time you will.

I was almost ready to get back together at one point. I have asked him straight up why he did what he did and all he said was he doesn't have to explain because it's past.
 
You got played.

Obviously there are serious trust issues on both your parts. Though, given his shadiness, I do feel like I would have done the same thing you did. The fact that he is able to lie to you like that says a lot about his character. Yes, he might be a good guy with that aside, but he might be playing other guys too. If you two were to get back together, it would be difficult to trust him again. You can forgive, but you can't forget.

As to how to get over it, time heals wounds. Make some time for yourself and your friends. Do something you like to do. Take your mind off of him.

Good luck with whatever happens.

I know he is playing other guys as well. I guess it was me, his ex, and several other guys on the side. I have no clue what he would have done if i had said yes to being his bf, seeing as how he was still together with his ex. And he always complained that I wouldn't be his bf around my friends, so he wasn't trying to hide it. I know for a fact he told his ex (which from another source told me they are not really exes) we were just friends, that he slept on the couch while I my place, and I had a bf who lived elsewhere.

I can't believe I got used to him so fast...blah. I really should never talk to him again, but once more my stupid feelings defy all logic.
 
The constant lying is what really gets me. Someone who lies like that is worthless. I get the feeling you are basically honest and expect the same out of others. I'm the same way. There are other guys in the world like you, just not a lot. Keep looking. I found one seven years ago and love him more today than ever. You want a partner in life who raises you up and holds you to a higher standard, not the opposite.

Keep looking and stay true to your principles.

Very nice words. Thank you. Sometimes it just feels like needle in a haystack. To this day, despite him saying he genuinely had feelings for me, I can't know for sure what was fake and what was real. It felt real to me at the time and I keep telling myself there's no way someone can be like this.
 
Sorry you are hurting.

Let me advise this for you whenever you are missing him or second guessing kicking him out. Think back to the text he wrote his ex and be grateful you found that out. Any time that you consider taking him back remember that he's incapable of trusting you because he can't fully commit to one person. It's called projection when a person suspects or accuses their partner of the very thing they are doing.

His possessiveness and control issues where big warning signs. I think it helps to separate the person from their actions just to make things less confusing for you and your emotions. I'm assuming he had some good qualities and did some nice things. But he's messed up to say the least. When a pleasant feeling comes over you when thinking about him acknowledge it but think about his behavior which makes him incapable of being in a healthy relationship.

This is a time to rely on friends and to keep busy. Every day without getting sucked back in will make the next day easier. Good luck.

Thanks. He still texts me randomly, almost like he checks up on me or wants attention. Last week he texted me asking if I was drinking (he hates it when I go out) and claims to hate drinking because alcoholism runs in his family (yet he drank on his bday and wanted to see how many free drinks he could get. when I called him out on it before I kicked him out, he said he was going to give them to me). Then he texted he misses me and then asking what I did at a local fair. Just today he messaged me on grindr being all sarcastic about me going to the museum without him (we were supposed to go together). I keep responding...but it is getting better, though still up and down.

His possessiveness was a little worrisome at first, but I dismissed it to him just really caring about me. I am trying to tell myself that what I'm missing is the idea of him, not what he actually was. It's working somewhat.

I've never had someone lie like this to me, but I don't really want it to change my trust in new people.
 
^If your actions match your thoughts you are on your way. It's good to remember how it was and not be taken in. Keep up the good work and do check in often and pm anyone with whom you're comfortable. No need to go it alone. Take good care of yourself.
 
^If you actions match your thoughts you are on your way. It's good to remember how it was and not be taken in. Keep up the good work and do check in often and pm anyone with whom you're comfortable. No need to go it alone. Take good care of yourself.

Trying my best...sometimes I do have these intense feelings where I feel reaching out to him, but have managed to avoid it. Crazy huh? lol
 
He's a compulsive liar and habitual cheater. He's done this many times to many others. You were just another notch in his belt. I'm sorry to put it so bluntly but I want you to know that he meant a lot more to you than you did to him. There's no doubt in my mind the stories he told you about his ex cheating were actually things he did to his "ex". Trust me on this. You need to cut off all contact with him. He's going to try to string you along or worm his way back into your life. He know's you are very vulnerable right now and is just continuing his game. I was cheated on by the man I loved more than anything in the world. I was crushed. It took me a long time to get over it and I'm not sure I will ever be completely over it. The pain and loss get better with time. By staying in contact with him you're on an emotional roller coaster. You need to get off the ride and heal the wounds. Tell this jerk to go pound sand.

Steven.
 
Wow -- I have a TOTALLY different opinion than everyone else who has responded here...

My feeling is that using Grindr was a "habit" for him that he found to be stronger than he probably realized...

He probably used to use it ALL the time prior to meeting you -- and found it difficult to put away...

SO -- he still checked in -- just to see what was going on around him, and chatted with those who chatted with him...

IDK -- the "I love you" to his EX seems odd -- but still explainable I suppose...

Personally, I would try and work it out with him...

I HATE advising people to GIVE UP over SILLY shit...

Best of luck either way...

:):):)
 
He's a compulsive liar and habitual cheater. He's done this many times to many others. You were just another notch in his belt. I'm sorry to put it so bluntly but I want you to know that he meant a lot more to you than you did to him. There's no doubt in my mind the stories he told you about his ex cheating were actually things he did to his "ex". Trust me on this. You need to cut off all contact with him. He's going to try to string you along or worm his way back into your life. He know's you are very vulnerable right now and is just continuing his game. I was cheated on by the man I loved more than anything in the world. I was crushed. It took me a long time to get over it and I'm not sure I will ever be completely over it. The pain and loss get better with time. By staying in contact with him you're on an emotional roller coaster. You need to get off the ride and heal the wounds. Tell this jerk to go pound sand.

Steven.

Hi Steven, funny you say this because I've learned recently that he has done the cheating thing to others as well.

He claims he wants a bf. But because he never explained or owned up to what he did I still have so many lingering questions. One of the questions that still bothers me is, I still don't get why he went through all this effort. He was the one calling/texting, insisting we become bfs, so why would he purposely do this? what does he gain out of it? I think I'm trying to think of excuses or give some sort of rational for his behavior.

You are right about him still sending me random texts every once in a while asking why I'm doing certain things, or what I'm doing in the first place. When he texted me about drinking and I said I did have some to drink, he actually texted back that he was shocked because he thought I would try to prove I wanted to be with him and that I couldn't keep the promise of not drinking. I keep on going back and forth...thinking he really does still care. But then he seems cold and much more distant than before in his texts beyond that. You bring up a good point, he may just be playing on my emotions again.

Thanks again for the responses so far everyone. It's nice to let it out.
 
Wow -- I have a TOTALLY different opinion than everyone else who has responded here...

My feeling is that using Grindr was a "habit" for him that he found to be stronger than he probably realized...

He probably used to use it ALL the time prior to meeting you -- and found it difficult to put away...

SO -- he still checked in -- just to see what was going on around him, and chatted with those who chatted with him...

IDK -- the "I love you" to his EX seems odd -- but still explainable I suppose...

Personally, I would try and work it out with him...

I HATE advising people to GIVE UP over SILLY shit...

Best of luck either way...

:):):)

Thanks. He say's it's complicated with his ex. Aside the text says I love you, that they recently cammed together. Why we were together buying pants, he texted him some of the same things he was asking me in person. And why would he have to tell his ex I have a bf and that he sleeps on my couch if they aren't together? #-o

I seriously don't mind him chatting grindr as long as he was honest that he was. It was the other texts I found where he was ultra flirty and spending the night with "friends" with no actual name that made me freak out. One of them even had the guy saying what soft lips he had and that he enjoyed the cuddling. Do people just stop at cuddling? He also used some of the pet names he used for me with some of these guys.:##: UGH. Just thinking about it, makes me sad and mad. I just let him go hang out with these people because I didn't want to be controlling and wanted to trust. It just felt like I was his top trick at this point with bf potential, while he still together with his ex and having fun on the side.

Doesn't the change the fact, I still miss him though. Feeling better, but it's still there.
 
Hi :wave: ,

From the tone in your initial post to this thread, I think that maybe it will take a while to get used to soon-to-be bf to be gone. If you can afford one a therapist could help to talk you hrough it. If you think that you are ready try & find another soon-to-be bf maybe.

Good luck & keep evereyone here at JUB up-to-date (*8*)
 
Hi :wave: ,

From the tone in your initial post to this thread, I think that maybe it will take a while to get used to soon-to-be bf to be gone. If you can afford one a therapist could help to talk you hrough it. If you think that you are ready try & find another soon-to-be bf maybe.

Good luck & keep evereyone here at JUB up-to-date (*8*)

I can't say for sure how long it will take to get completely over it. Here's hoping I don't need therapy. :/
 
I know it s a hard thing to go through. Been there myself. Hang in there, things will get better (*8*)

Me I just go spend money and buy stuff whenever I get down and out. My therapist says that's not an adequate coping method
 
You should have blocked him on Grindr looooong ago. Nothing positive can come out of this.
 
Your Welcome.

A lot of what your saying in your posts after you replied to mine sound very similar to what I went through. I found out my ex had been cheating for a long time. He was on cam4 either looking for guys to cam with or even hook up. He called them the same pet name he called me (cricket). He was always texting someone and would downplay the conversation or lie about who he was talking to. He'd say it was his dad or his "uncle". I found out it was other guys he was making plans with. However, if I received a text or call from someone he'd have to know who I was talking to. He'd get jealous and pissy. On two occasions he heard me tell the other person on the phone "I love you". I had to prove to him I had been talking to my parents.

Obviously he and his "ex" are still seeing each other. I understand people can continue a friendship with their ex but why is he lying and trying to cover up he's staying at your place. Why are people telling him he has soft lips. Because he's been kissing them. My ex kept telling me I was his "bf" but he kept secretes about his past or other things. When I pushed for information he'd say "if we were married then you could ask that but since we aren't I'm not going to tell you."

If there was a single incident or he had a small little quirk about grndr or something I'd say your just being paranoid and that he needs some private space. That's not the case at all. There's too many red flags to ignore. I did end up going to therapy for a while and my therapist helped me realize there are people out there that get off on this type of game. It's more about controlling someone (you, his ex and the other guys) and the thrill of having several people in love with them at the same time. It's a huge ego rush. Don't let him do this to you. I know it hurts and it will take some time to get over. You're going to second guess yourself for a while but once you've had some time away from him you'll realize you did the right thing.

Steven.
 
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