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im out

Yeah, I'm proud of you too. Get it all out. I love hearing it. And I love that you trust your gut in deciding what's fucked up and what's not.

So go out and get your motorcycle and film degree. West Hollywood is calling you!
 
ok i responded to her email like so:
fine
yes
1 other on tues
cool
sure
it has basically been triple digits since i got here
i left the fan for you guys to have since i will be fine with the a/c
no

this is her response...

>Do you have a problem having a conversation with me? *Why am I only getting
> one word answers?
>
> Why don't you tell me about your job?
>
> Mom

heres what i am thinking my response to be...
"take a wild guess,
take a wild guess.
its just a cashier job... the place is a lot like if you take linen's and things and then put a bunch more stuff that you find at walmart... then make it cuter... and orange... and then you have garden ridge"

i think thats gonna be my response... what do ya think?
 
Its funny. Well, to me! :lol:

You're on a roll. You know what you're doing better than I.
I'm just happy that I finally get to use this smiley! :corn:
 
yeah i found it hilarious to... i didn't send it... since well... my parents kinda still have my birth certificate and some other papers that i need.. and since they are bitter grudge bearing people i don't think that i want to send that grrr i wanna just slap my mom and say "i'm the queen now bitch!" but that would so mean not getting certain things that i need to continue in a personal and independent future... oh the queen thing... my mom had this queen complex for a while where she did this whole "she's the queen of everything" i think i get the crown now boohaha lol i'm sorry i am tryin to make myself laugh... and its workin :kiss: thanks again guys
 
you should have added "Where's all my stuff? I need that here".

My parents pulled that "Maybe we better hang on to that" shit.

Parents who partake in emotional blackmail are just bad parents.

Mine got over that.. yours will too.
 
first, sorry to hear about all of the problems you are having with your parents. parents are suppose to love their children no matter what.:mad:

second, i am very proud and impressed with how you have taken charge of the situation. you are a very wise man to come so far so quickly.:=D:

third, all of the documents that your parents still have can be quickly replaced. you can get another certified copy of your brith certificate by contacting the county you were born in. most counties have websites that you can order them on-line. the same goes for the most any other important documents, hs diploma, etc.

best of luck
 
muscleboy is right: almost any and all documentation can be obtained with a phone call. If you need a hand tracking things down (like websites for this stuff), you know how to reach me.
 
ok this isn't really an update... oh wait heres one... i am really looking forward to my interview at blockbuster.... and i move in 10 days (yeah!) ok so heres the sort of question i have...

a lot of people have told me that they are here if i want someone to talk to ever since i came out... so i said cool and so far have not talked to any of them... its not that i don't want to... cause i do and would like to... i just don't know what benefit it would be to me... i have come to reality with my situation (financially and emotionaly) that i don't need sort of a constant support... but i would like someone to talk to face to face... i guess this is kinda a weird way of asking... whats a good way to say you would like to talk? this is an odd question i know... i blaim my shyness and my slight tendency for being antisocial... meh i dunno i could just be a bit weird since i'm tired... *shrug*

oh and taiga i might be contacting you later this week should i need help getting the stuffs
 
*laughs*

I am sorry...Your most two recent serious replies about your parents are something my mom would do, and your responses what I would do, I am sorta living in the same boat. The fucked up emotional blackmail, the stupid games, and her nice little peace of denial...(but in her mind she is doing the best thing, for she wants only what is best for you) ;)

There is nothing wrong with you, douseiai, but notice you still haven't stand up to your mother, you want to say

heres what i am thinking my response to be...
"take a wild guess,
take a wild guess.

but you haven't had you? I bet your response by email was alot more gentle, alot more I don't want to hurt you, a little I am going to stand up for myself, but lets keep this silly dance going, for you are afraid to just let it all out. You need to let it all out, you need to tell your parents/mother that what she is doing is sick and twisted, and not what a parent should do. You need to tell your mother she is acting like a fucktard. Not avoiding the subject by doing things like one word answers for you just don't want to hurt her anymore.






douseiai do what feels right, trust your gut. Do whatever you want to do, its your life, and it is you who gets to determined how you allow others to treat you.
 
i didn't respond like i said i thought i might... i responded as you said gently... you have to keep in mind my parents are currently paying for my cell phone and sort of secretly my insurance.... i do not want to break all contact by saying that i am gay and not going to change for them... because that would mean... no more cell phone... and car insurance which i cannot afford... keep in mind i am working part time for $6 an hour right now i hate to use my parents like this but i am willing to in order to keep things stable in my life...
 
Douseiai, I just wanted to drop a comment in here. Soilwork seems to think that everybody is as emotionally durable as he is and you should just let the shit hit the fan and let the world come around or not - it's their problem. It just isn't that simple. You owe your parents some respect, but at the same time, you can't concede them the right to run your life. I would recommend you going to the counseler two or three times. It might just help. If it doesn't, just walk away and tell your parents that it wasn't helping.

I think you should also take up the offer to meet with the gay couple you know. Talking about your situation and your concerns will help you sort things out. You need to keep telling your parents that you're gay and it's not going to change. Yes, refer them to PFLAG and maybe send them a book about having a gay child. It doesn't sound like they will listen, and if they refuse to consider any viewpoint but their own, there's nothing you can do about it. However, you will feel better that you tried. Just walking away may be the thing you need right now (and it sounds like you are doing fine) but you will harbor some guilt about it. You probably need to keep some distance from them now, but keep talking to them and keep emphasizing that you love them, and that you're being gay has nothing to do with that. Even if it doesn't change things, you need to try.

Don't submit to their blackmail, but don't consider them fucktards, either. You need to be responsible for yourself, but you need act responsibly, too.

By the way, you can get a certified copy of your birth certificate from the State of California by mail. There will be information on how to do that on the State website. You don't need the one at your parents' house.
 
I understand, but also recongize what your parents are doing is blackmail. It is understandable they thinking they are doing what is right. But you are their son and deserve their love, and what they do for you shouldn't matter on your sexuality.

Of course this ideal world isn't reality, and you have to deal with reality, but your mind should recongize what reality should be, even if you have to deal with an imperfect one.
 
i know its blackmail and i do refuse to submit to it...
i know they deserve a level of respect... which i did show them before leaving... if they do not want to recognize me as an adult then thats their problem.... they seem to not understand that i am an adult and will treat my like i'm still a child with their blackmail... if i don't get my papers soon then i will simply contact the state... i am giving them a chance to grow up a bit and send me the stuff that i need...

oh and btw muskox... soilwork actually kinda knows me... he knows i work like that...

and thats very true my parents basically do what they said they would at first without reviewing other options...
 
omg her response to the email....

"I don't want you to be uncomfortable talking to me or your Dad. I want us
to be able to work through this. We love you and care about you and want
you to grow into a mature, hard working, Godly man. We want you to have a
relationship with God and for God to be number one in your life. I wish you
had talked to someone sooner (like me or Dad or your youth ministers or the Elders).

We're not perfect parents, there are no perfect parents, there are no
perfect children either. We're not perfect but we tried to do our best.

Have you been able to work the counseling sessions into your schedule yet?
I don't want you to let that slide. I think it would really help.
Love,
Mom"

i am not responding to this part of the email... theres was this big paragraph above asking about the stuff that i want sent and if theres anything else i can think of... so i just told her what and said it was cool about how long it was taking (not to worried about it really since i can always buy cuter shoes and can send for a birth certificate)
but i just litterally laughed to her comments there... i found it a little funny since well... i find it in my experience that everyone is capable of being helped... but it will only work if they want to be helped... quite frankly i like the cock and i don't think i would enjoy pussy... so i think i'm stickin with the gay thing... and doubt a counselour could convince me that the pussy is the ultimate pleasure... especially with the fact that i like puttin stuff up my ass lol... i'm sorry i'm tired and giggling in my seat right now to this email anyways thats it really lol
 
Nope no "gay religious groups" for the Church of Christ, like some denominations such as Catholic have dignity. Most Church of Christ believe that homosexuality is not inherent (several churches even Catholics believe that homosexuality is part of your personhood, still alot of these faiths see homosexuality acts as sinful) and that homosexual acts are always sinful.

Sorry tough luck Dou :( I can't give you anyhelpful religious links or something to help your parents.
 
ummm.... i already knew that? actually... not only do they believe it sinful... but they believe it to be an unforgivable sin... because you are forsakeing God's command willingly and thus sin unforgivably... fun huh
 
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