In Way Over His Head

[NickCole]

As a lifelong Democrat who believes in Democratic principles and that the power to engage those principles is achieved through a strong Democratic party, one of the things that pissed me off during the 2008 primaries was the total disrespect from Obama and his Democratic supporters towards President Bill Clinton and his legacy. He was a triangulator. He was a racist. He didn’t really do right by GLBTs in the military with DADT. All we heard was how Obama would do so much better than Hillary because look at how awful Bill Clinton was when he was in office. And any suggestion that Obama was inexperienced was dismissed as irrelevant or racist. You’d have thought that the Clintons were Republican to hear the fauxprogressives talk.

Remember this?

On Tuesday's The Situation Room, CNN's liberal political analyst Donna Brazile, formerly an advisor to both Bill Clinton and Al Gore, hinted that she was racially offended by some of the former President's recent attacks on Barack Obama. Invoking Clinton's labeling of Obama as a "kid," and his accusation that some of Obama's claims are a "fairy tale," Brazile expressed that, "as an African-American," she found Clinton's comments "depressing." Brazile: "For him to go after Obama using 'fairy tale,' calling him a 'kid,' as he did last week, it's an insult. And I tell you, as an African-American, I find his words and his tone to be very depressing."​

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-w...bama-attacks-racially-offensive#ixzz0tkDu38Ie

I was reading through Krugman's blog yesterday and came across these revealing graphs:​

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/13/invincible-ignorance/

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They’re hyped as a way to show how bad the Dubya economy was and how wrong Kyl is about his economic opinions, but what they really show is how good we had it under Bill. One of the graphs shows how we’ve essentially erased any employment gains from the time Dubya took office, but really, the amazing thing is the exponential function that represents job creation during the Clinton years.​

The other graph shows the incredible amount of federal revenue generated during the same time period with the same result. Up during the Bill years, complete erasure of any gains made during the Dubya years. Dubya was handed a surplus budget. Now we have record deficits.​

Yeah, well that was then and this is now. Evidently all is forgiven, because now we have this:

Obama leaning heavily on Bill Clinton for election help

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http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/07/13/obama.clinton/index.html

It seems somebody realizes they are in over their head.​

That wrascally wracist Bill Clinton still has the longest democratic coattails out there. And Hillary Clinton has those astronomic poll numbers.​

Then there's this:​

Bill Clinton back in the White House, holds economic meeting with Obama

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http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/07/bill-clinton-back-in-the-white.html ​

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Wasn’t part of the reason that we got stuck with Obama the idea that we wouldn’t have Bill around the West Wing? My, how the worm has turned.​

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[evanrick]

we can even blame republicans for clinton leaving office since it was their idea to term limit presidents.

 

[JayHawk]

Term limits are good ideas for all public office. It would reduce the crap deals we get shoved upon us as a public.

Don't forget Nick that Clinton looked pretty damn shaky his first year in office.

 

[BostonPirate]

Term limits are good ideas for all public office. It would reduce the crap deals we get shoved upon us as a public.

Don't forget Nick that Clinton looked pretty damn shaky his first year in office.

and at this point for reagan. the country was in a recession, his approval ratings were in the thirties, and he lost control of congress. Obama has done better with worse, and has better ratings.

 

[NickCole]

Don't forget Nick that Clinton looked pretty damn shaky his first year in office.

Almost looks like you didn't read the OP to see what this thread's about.

But I'll respond within the context of this thread's topic.

When Bill Clinton ran for President neither of the Clintons ever said anything disrespectful about a former Democratic President, nor did they dismiss in any way any former Democratic President's achievements or legacy. And the Clinton campaigns and surrogates certainly didn't do anything as egregious as suggest anything remotely like a living former Democratic President was racist.

As for the first year in office, during Bill Clinton's first year in office he pushed aggressively for legislation that was the substance and principle of his campaign promises, which were aligned with Democratic principles.

 

[palemale]

The economic numbers were great during the "Roaring Twenties" and the presidencies of Warren Harding and Calvin Coolidge. We know how that turned out.

Bill Clinton was a pro-business, centrist Democrat. His administration continued the deregulation of Wall Street. He himself has admitted he made a mistake listening to his advisers regarding the regulation of derivatives. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/17/clinton-rubin-and-summers_n_541795.html So, his policies worked for awhile. He had few legislative achievements that would safeguard our economy. As with the Roaring Twenties, the chickens eventually come home to roost.

It is interesting, Nick, that the blog you cited discussed the speculation that the purpose of the meeting was for Clinton and Warren Buffett to mediate with the business community, which is angry with the Obama administration for over regulating business. Of course, the problem is that business has been under regulated for way too long, including during the Clinton administration.

I don't say this to denigrate Clinton. It is what it is. I voted for him twice. Whatever complaints I have about him, he was far superior to Reagan/Bush before him and Bush after him.

Nick, I also note that the Clintons have gotten over the primaries and put it behind them. You might try to do the same.

 

[Kulindahr]

 

[hotatlboi]

As for the first year in office, during Bill Clinton's first year in office he pushed aggressively for legislation that was the substance and principle of his campaign promises, which were aligned with Democratic principles.

And got virtually none of it.

Obama took a different approach, and so far he's gotten the stimulus package, health care reform, and financial reform done.

Seems like you value form over function.

 

[Kulindahr]

And got virtually none of it.

Obama took a different approach, and so far he's gotten the stimulus package, health care reform, and financial reform done.

Seems like you value form over function.

On those items, Obama seems to value labels over content.

 

[hotatlboi]

On those items, Obama seems to value labels over content.

I disagree.

While perhaps not as sweeping as the Dems wanted, both the health care reform and financial reform bills make significant expansive changes and are the most comprehensive reforms enacted in decades on those issues.

 

[palemale]

To be fair, Clinton did sign two very far reaching pieces of legislation. DOMA and DADT.

 

[BostonPirate]

To be fair, Clinton did sign two very far reaching pieces of legislation. DOMA and DADT.

dadt was a bad blow. He could have ordered the policy change, but like Obama, made the same mistake of trying to negotiate with the repubs. In the end it was Nunn that stabbed us in the back and clinton went along with it.

not very pretty but true, and the reason I resent him as president.

I have many problems with republican politicians, but at least they have the balls to just step up to the plate and act on their social agenda.

the Dems need to as well.

 

[Kulindahr]

I disagree.

While perhaps not as sweeping as the Dems wanted, both the health care reform and financial reform bills make significant expansive changes and are the most comprehensive reforms enacted in decades on those issues.

Oh, they're expansive, all right. I disagree that they can be called "reform" in any real sense.

 

[Kulindahr]

dadt was a bad blow. He could have ordered the policy change, but like Obama, made the same mistake of trying to negotiate with the repubs. In the end it was Nunn that stabbed us in the back and clinton went along with it.

not very pretty but true, and the reason I resent him as president.

I have many problems with republican politicians, but at least they have the balls to just step up to the plate and act on their social agenda.

the Dems need to as well.

Oh, you didn't mind that he lied to the American people, and failed to get any of the felons he claimed were kept from buying guns prosecuted?

 

[BostonPirate]

Oh, you didn't mind that he lied to the American people, and failed to get any of the felons he claimed were kept from buying guns prosecuted?

nah.. I'l take a lie about a blowjob over a lie that killed thousands and sent us to war anyday.

I am not that into the gun activist thing...I own a few and I hunt wild turkey. the kind that is on legs... not the bottle. No one has ever tried to take my guns and I don;t have a record. The whole 2nd ammendment thing is made to be way too much of a deal in our politics. No party has any designs on changing federal gun legislation right now and the supreme court is holding the line.

 

[JB3]

we can even blame republicans for clinton leaving office since it was their idea to term limit presidents.

Oh grow up. Your shtick is getting real old, real quick.

 

[construct]

dadt was a bad blow. He could have ordered the policy change, but like Obama, made the same mistake of trying to negotiate with the repubs. In the end it was Nunn that stabbed us in the back and clinton went along with it.

not very pretty but true, and the reason I resent him as president.

But you see, he did order the policy change. I believe that was during his first week in office.

Now I'm not a huge Clinton fan. (He was better than Reagan-Bush and, of course, the Bush that followed him, and I voted for him four times--primaries and general elections.) Nevertheless, he did try to fix the military thing. And, also of course, it wasn't the Republicans he had to negotiate with to get DADT but the conservative Democrats like Nunn (who never wanted the Reagan-Bush policy touched).

The rest I quote for truth.

 

[Kulindahr]

nah.. I'l take a lie about a blowjob over a lie that killed thousands and sent us to war anyday.

I am not that into the gun activist thing...I own a few and I hunt wild turkey. the kind that is on legs... not the bottle. No one has ever tried to take my guns and I don;t have a record. The whole 2nd ammendment thing is made to be way too much of a deal in our politics. No party has any designs on changing federal gun legislation right now and the supreme court is holding the line.

I'm not into comparative ethics: a lie to the American people is a lie. Why can't we get a president who doesn't?

 

[BostonPirate]

I'm not into comparative ethics: a lie to the American people is a lie. Why can't we get a president who doesn't?

I'm not sure that we ever have had a president who didn't lie to us.

Why can't we? Because we expect them to be more than human, and they are just people like us.

 

[Kulindahr]

I'm not sure that we ever have had a president who didn't lie to us.

Why can't we? Because we expect them to be more than human, and they are just people like us.

True.

And we want the government to be God.