Indiana Legalizes Discrimination Against Gays

[xboxfan34]

Re: So no one is posting about Indiana? Homosexual discrimination legalized

Gay men have been served in restaurants, apartments and motels for as long as such have existed, with a tiny, tiny few exceptions. The problem arises when gays demand laws forcing service and demanding that yet another area of life , another part of freedom be regulated by law. Alas, liberals believe that every tiny detail in life should be governed by law and political correctness. They will not be happy until our is a totalitarian government.
I live in a conservative Midwestern Republican state, and I have never heard of a restaurant, apartment, bar or motel denying service to gays. We have not changed the definition of marriage but I know gay couples who have lived together in peace for decades.

That is such bullshit and you know it. All we want is equal rights. I believe in freedom of speech as much as everyone else, and if you're going to play the card of "we were trying to suppress the baker who didn't want to make a gay marriage cake's freedom of speech." Supposedly, the whole thing came about because that baker also used anti-gay slurs against the customer who wanted that cake.

The usage of slurs in the context of the desire to hurt, harass, demean, and slander another individual just for being a minority is hate speech, pure and simple.

 

[belamyi]

Re: So no one is posting about Indiana? Homosexual discrimination legalized

That is such bullshit and you know it. All we want is equal rights.

Yes, that's the logic of "if I haven't seen, heard or ever known about it, it has never existed elsewhere... or at least that's how I intend to keep my peace of mind for as long as the problem doesn't shit on me".

 

[Benvolio]

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That is such bullshit and you know it. All we want is equal rights.

Equal to whom? Restaurants, motels, bars, etc. can refuse service to straights as well. Gays can refuse any restaurant, motel, or bar, they chose. If the owners also can refuse then both have equal rights. But, if owners are forced to serve gays, then gays have superior rights. I agree that the denial of service would be wrong, but I don't think it happens often enough to be a problem, and forcing owners can make the problem worse. Do you really want to eat food served by someone who resents being forced? Do you want to work for an employer who resents being forced to hire you? Do we really want a law against everything unfair or not nice?

 

[TX-Beau]

Re: So no one is posting about Indiana? Homosexual discrimination legalized

Gay men have been served in restaurants, apartments and motels for as long as such have existed, with a tiny, tiny few exceptions. The problem arises when gays demand laws forcing service and demanding that yet another area of life , another part of freedom be regulated by law. Alas, liberals believe that every tiny detail in life should be governed by law and political correctness. They will not be happy until our is a totalitarian government.
I live in a conservative Midwestern Republican state, and I have never heard of a restaurant, apartment, bar or motel denying service to gays. We have not changed the definition of marriage but I know gay couples who have lived together in peace for decades.

YEAH!! All those fucking "liberals" trying to pass new laws that interfere with your...

Wait a minute. Note Ben does not support marriage equality. You gays can "be together" as much as you like, but you can't have the legal sanction let alone the perks, now shut the fuck up and go straight to the back of the bus.

 

[TX-Beau]

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Equal to whom? Restaurants, motels, bars, etc. can refuse service to straights as well. Gays can refuse any restaurant, motel, or bar, they chose. If the owners also can refuse then both have equal rights. But, if owners are forced to serve gays, then gays have superior rights. I agree that the denial of service would be wrong, but I don't think it happens often enough to be a problem, and forcing owners can make the problem worse. Do you really want to eat food served by someone who resents being forced? Do you want to work for an employer who resents being forced to hire you? Do we really want a law against everything unfair or not nice?

AND THE MADNESS CONTINUES!

So - we are all "equal" in discrimination? What a fine worldview Ben inhabits.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

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Equal to whom? Restaurants, motels, bars, etc. can refuse service to straights as well.

They wouldn't be refusing straight people because they are straight, though. So this argument doesn't work.

Gays can refuse any restaurant, motel, or bar, they chose. If the owners also can refuse then both have equal rights. But, if owners are forced to serve gays, then gays have superior rights.

No, it is equal. There is nothing superior about getting served somewhere just like any other human being would.

I agree that the denial of service would be wrong, but I don't think it happens often enough to be a problem, and forcing owners can make the problem worse. Do you really want to eat food served by someone who resents being forced?

It is their job to serve food, who they are serving it to should not matter. If they don't like who they're serving to, get a new occupation.

Do you want to work for an employer who resents being forced to hire you?

Again, an employer is doing their job by hiring and should be hiring based on the individuals work experience and nothing on the individuals personal life. They aren't being forced to do anything different unless they have the problem with a certain group of people and if they have that problem, once again they should find a new occupation.

I know this was a waste of time, I just felt like saying something.

 

[chrisrobin]

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AND THE MADNESS CONTINUES!

So - we are all "equal" in discrimination? What a fine worldview Ben inhabits.

George Orwell said, "all men are created equal, but some are more equal than others." - Animal Farm.

 

[Vitamin]

YEAH!! All those fucking "liberals" trying to pass new laws that interfere with your...

Wait a minute. Note Ben does not support marriage equality. You gays can "be together" as much as you like, but you can't have the legal sanction let alone the perks, now shut the fuck up and go straight to the back of the bus.

Actually we're lucky if we can even convince them to let us on the back of the bus. What do you think civil unions are?

 

[Benvolio]

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I iii

They wouldn't be refusing straight people because they are straight, though. So this argument doesn't work.



No, it is equal. There is nothing superior about getting served somewhere just like any other human being would.



It is their job to serve food, who they are serving it to should not matter. If they don't like who they're serving to, get a new occupation.



Again, an employer is doing their job by hiring and should be hiring based on the individuals work experience and nothing on the individuals personal life. They aren't being forced to do anything different unless they have the problem with a certain group of people and if they have that problem, once again they should find a new occupation.

I know this was a waste of time, I just felt like saying something.

I was responding to xbox's starkest that all we want are equal RIGHTS. Gays do have equal rights with straight people. Gays want rights superior to straights and the owners of restaurants, motels etc.

 

[Mitchymo]

Creating a law which exempts those of religion, from laws which protect those who are less religious or irreligious, is surely unconstitutional.
The argument, Pence makes, is that it protects religious freedom. This cannot be the case when it is seeking to superiorise a specific viewpoint within that faith. Allowing one christian to discriminate, on the grounds that they are christian, against gays, against unmarried couples, or against pro-choice legislation, seeks to give legality to that christian view, as opposed to other christian views that may think differently. Moral issues within faiths are matters of that faith, one which Governer Pence is trying to circumvent by establishing within law, one view. That it may be a majority view is irrelevent, its the establishment of faith. Unconstitutional

 

[Benvolio]

Our first amendment to the Constitution prohibits an establishment of religion, but continues, "or prohibit the free exercise thereof." This necessarily requires some balancing. Liberals wish to brush aside the right, subordinating religious objections to the liberal agenda. Liberals have tried to force people of conscience to pay for the killing of children, for instance. Clearly if gays could not find places to live or eat or stay, balancing would probably require the religious objection to give way. The statute has an exception for the states compelling interest. But so long as it is only a matter of isolated incidents, the Constitutional right of " free exercise" should be respected. Again, I think discrimination is wrong, but a rare problem which will disappear when liberals stop trying to force their view.

 

[Keeland]

Just another attempt by the conservative far right loons to turn this country into a theocracy.

They're doing a mighty fine job.

The fiction that is the U.S. Constitution.

When it starts costing Indiana millions in lost revenue, they’ll sober up.

Perhaps. But that would be merely treating the symptoms.

Christians live to hate. Without hate and the power it gives them, the religion would join the Greek pantheon in the dustbin of history.

Christian love is hate. It defines them.

 

[mightbe]

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I live in a conservative Midwestern Republican state, and I have never heard of a restaurant, apartment, bar or motel denying service to gays.

Do you live in Kansas? I seem to remember a post a long time ago where you mentioned living somewhere close to where I'm originally from (Northwest Missouri), and my gut feeling is that it was somewhere in Kansas. (of course I could be totally wrong)

If you think this doesn't happen around you you are sadly mistaken. I've had friends that were asked to leave bars, and I know my uncle and his longtime boyfriend have been booted from at least one restaurant (though I think that was about 10 years ago). The fact is that people are bigots, and there are no (or very few) legal protections in place. People follow the laws they like, and if there aren't any laws on the books there aren't repercussions.

 

[Benvolio]

Re: So no one is posting about Indiana? Homosexual discrimination legalized

Ju

Do you live in Kansas? I seem to remember a post a long time ago where you mentioned living somewhere close to where I'm originally from (Northwest Missouri), and my gut feeling is that it was somewhere in Kansas. (of course I could be totally wrong)

If you think this doesn't happen around you you are sadly mistaken. I've had friends that were asked to leave bars, and I know my uncle and his longtime boyfriend have been booted from
at least one restaurant (though I think that was about 10 years ago). The fact is that people are bigots, and there are no (or very few) legal protections in place. People follow the laws they like, and if there aren't any laws on the books there aren't repercussions.

Remember, if one or a group of men go into a restaurant or bar, the management has no possible way to know they are gay. They must do something which sets them apart, and question arises whether it is their identity or their behavior which causes the problem.

 

[Benvolio]

You will hear far, far, more hatred in this forum than ever from Christians. Likberals /democrats teach hatred as a strategy: divide and conquer.

 

[mightbe]

Like it or not, not every gay "blends" in (nor should they). People can tell. There are things we do, say, ways we dress, ways we walk, gesture, etc. Gay isn't invisible. It can manifest itself in any combination of subtle (or not-so-subtle) ways.

Then there are even more obvious things. Displays of affection (hugging, holding hands, kissing of all types), body language (towards a partner), genderqueer clothing/styling etc.

 

[belamyi]

Ju

Remember, if one or a group of men go into a restaurant or bar, the management has no possible way to know they are gay. They must do something which sets them apart, and question arises whether it is their identity or their behavior which causes the problem.

Like it or not, not every gay "blends" in (nor should they). People can tell. There are things we do, say, ways we dress, ways we walk, gesture, etc. Gay isn't invisible. It can manifest itself in any combination of subtle (or not-so-subtle) ways.

Then there are even more obvious things. Displays of affection (hugging, holding hands, kissing of all types), body language (towards a partner), genderqueer clothing/styling etc.

You could always resort to the "gay ID card", as Berlusconi forced gay people to have and show in Italy.

 

[kallipolis]

You could always resort to the "gay ID card", as Berlusconi forced gay people to have and show in Italy.

Kindly elaborate for I have never heard of such a thing....a citation from a credible source would suffice...thank you

 

[TX-Beau]

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I see Ben has been living in the minds of "liberals" again. What a load of tossers they are over on Planet Conservabot.

Ju

Remember, if one or a group of men go into a restaurant or bar, the management has no possible way to know they are gay. They must do something which sets them apart, and question arises whether it is their identity or their behavior which causes the problem.

It is nice of him to provide us with the above stupidity. No Ben, no one must do "something that sets them apart," all your bigots need is to THINK someone is gay to have your sensibilities offended. Whether in fact the other guy IS gay in fact is completely irrelevant, you all think you "know" just like you enjoy speaking for the evil "liberals" the voices in your head told you about.

The utter ridiculousness of this bigoted law is that they don't even know who they are discriminating against, and it doesn't matter. All that is needed is stereotype and paranoia.

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BTW I no longer believe that Ben is a gay man.

 

[TX-Beau]

Creating a law which exempts those of religion, from laws which protect those who are less religious or irreligious, is surely unconstitutional.
The argument, Pence makes, is that it protects religious freedom. This cannot be the case when it is seeking to superiorise a specific viewpoint within that faith. Allowing one christian to discriminate, on the grounds that they are christian, against gays, against unmarried couples, or against pro-choice legislation, seeks to give legality to that christian view, as opposed to other christian views that may think differently. Moral issues within faiths are matters of that faith, one which Governor Pence is trying to circumvent by establishing within law, one view. That it may be a majority view is irrelevant, its the establishment of faith. Unconstitutional

Not even the bigots on the right think this is about "religious freedom," we all know what is fig leaf and what is truth. The really sad thing is that this is a political hatred, NOT a moral one. Hence the dance of the seven veils about the Constitution. My bet is that this doesn't even get out of the Indiana State Courts.