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Indiana Legalizes Discrimination Against Gays

kallipolis said:
Note my highlighting of gay cruise bars, and saunas used for sexual encounters....

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Yes, it says in all places where sex intercourse may happen, which is everywhere even if there are no dark rooms: you do not need cards for any of that. You either go to places whose main business is that, or you keep yourself out of the sections in which one would go seek that.

The best proof of how discriminatory and segregationist is that, is that you are not required the equivalent for straight places, which are no less promiscuous but didn't need to invent dark rooms for what hypocrites and haters would pretend is a specifically gay invention, catering for their specific perversions.

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kallipolis said:
You are once again spending your time here ventilating with many words of no consequence,,,,

...your initial post on this matter is incorrect...
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No: it's your obtuse mis-understanding of it.
 
Belamo....No one is preventing you from visiting a regular bar and picking up rough trade that suits your specific taste when understanding that you object to all gay bars that might possibility not include your specific types....I know a few here in Athens who only pick up their tricks from regular bars....preferring REAL men....not gays..
 
belamo said:
Yes, it says in all places where sex intercourse may happen, which is everywhere even if there are no dark rooms: you do not need cards for any of that. You either go to places whose main business is that, or you keep yourself out of the sections in which one would go seek that.

The best proof of how discriminatory and segregationist is that, is that you are not required the equivalent for straight places, which are no less promiscuous but didn't need to invent dark rooms for what hypocrites and haters would pretend is a specifically gay invention, catering for their specific perversions.

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No: it's your obtuse mis-understanding of it.
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Your long winded rants across these forums are generally ignored for their verbose over indulgence...
 
kallipolis said:
belamo....No one is preventing you from visiting a regular bar and picking up rough trade that suits your specific taste when understanding that you object to all gay bars that might possibility not include your specific types....I know a few here in Athens who only pick up their tricks from regular bars....preferring REAL men....not gays..
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We are not talking about Athens or Barcelona in 2015... we are talking about how you do not need to be as bullish as they are in Indiana to start hating and segregating homosexuals... and overturn the current state of affairs.

As I said, people who are very vocal against "islamization" have no problems with more than a few tenets of radical Islamism, because their main true god is Hate, and they are only bothered by the same liberty they pretend to defend.
 
Please, tell me--If I were in Naples, could you tell me which gay supermarket I should present myself at to buy my gay eggs, gay milk, gay bread, gay meat, and gay spinach from? Would I have to use my Gay Visa, or would my Gay Mastercard be accepted there as well? If I hire a straight taxi to get home would I be in some trouble? What if I got a lesbian taxi? Is that illegal? Do you have the phone numbers for any gay taxi services in Italy? What about gay post offices? I wouldn't want to ship anything from the wrong one.
 
Benvolio said:
No doubt, some gays would prefer a club where only gays are allowed. A place where you can sit down next to a guy and start a conversation without having to wonder if he is gay or likely to be offended. The real question is, should the law prohibit that, prohibiting discrimination against non gays?
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Technically it wouldn't. You can get a membership card to any establishment, and I'm sure some establishments are for both gay and straight people. To get a card doesn't mean you identify as gay (unless there's some bullshit test of purity), it just means you've paid to go to that bar/club (though a card that has "gay" in the name is a bit conspicuous).

Furthermore, I'm sure other clubs cater to no specific group and have membership cards just the same. If you want to go to a gays-only bar (or at least a bar where everyone pays to be in the company of gay men, who are predominantly gay, bi, curious, experimenting), then you get a card that applies to that bar.
 
mightbe said:
Please, tell me--If I were in Naples, could you tell me which gay supermarket I should present myself at to buy my gay eggs, gay milk, gay bread, gay meat, and gay spinach from? Would I have to use my Gay Visa, or would my Gay Mastercard be accepted there as well? If I hire a straight taxi to get home would I be in some trouble? What if I got a lesbian taxi? Is that illegal? Do you have the phone numbers for any gay taxi services in Italy? What about gay post offices? I wouldn't want to ship anything from the wrong one.
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You don't get it: since they can not start discriminating openly and directly, they take the subterfuge of sex that they won't use for straight people. You would be more right saying that it's the fault of the gay for putting dark rooms in some of their businesses, but it just makes it a bit more easily and they could still use the same sex joker that they won't use to allow people access or be excluded from "straight" clubs.
 
mightbe said:
Technically it wouldn't. You can get a membership card to any establishment, and I'm sure some establishments are for both gay and straight people. To get a card doesn't mean you identify as gay (unless there's some bullshit test of purity), it just means you've paid to go to that bar/club (though a card that has "gay" in the name is a bit conspicuous).

Furthermore, I'm sure other clubs cater to no specific group and have membership cards just the same. If you want to go to a gays-only bar (or at least a bar where everyone pays to be in the company of gay men, who are predominantly gay, bi, curious, experimenting), then you get a card that applies to that bar.
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But the all that "membership" spins around the homosexual identity, makes an annoyance out of the mere act of entering a club, and bureaucratizes unnecessarily... unnecessarily, unless you real goal is targeting gay people.

It's controversial enough that people are denied access for not being female, young and passably pretty, or for wearing white socks, or being black without being a successful rapper or NBA star, but in this case you are not even preserving any previous membership rules when what you are doing is precisely CREATING a membership rule so that you can discriminate and segregate according to a rule.
 
belamo said:
Again... *************facepalm******************** that norm makes ALL clubs private: it turns homosexuality into something more secret, hidden, segregated, something that others won't know directly about, because not allowed to know directly without a card they won't need, so it effectively segregates underground and even make it liable of any lies the haters may feel free to invent about what actually goes on in those "private" places.

Being private is a choice, not a norm, unless you either want to hide something, or to separate something or somebody from the rest: and it's not that bad if you choose to do so as when you compel others to do so. "You want to be gay? ok, but indentify yourself and, please, keep yourselves apart".
What's next, legal enforcement of gay ghettos? maybe in US it can pass for normal because there are so many communities rubbing against each other, and so much hate half-unleashed out there, that you may prefer to live in separate ghettos, and I think that may even be the future, but I have been raised in a place in which people do not live and work in places segregated from the rest of the world, no Chinatowns, no Gaytowns: we all still have our privacy and you are even allowed to have closets and basements of crime if you want, but we are not segregating people according to this or that pretending we are being "practical" or serving specific needs.
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In the US there is a legal difference between Private Club and Public Accommodation. If you are classified as a Public Accommodation you can't discriminate, if you are classified as a Private Club you can. This is far older than fights about gay people.
 
belamo said:
But the all that "membership" spins around the homosexual identity, makes an annoyance out of the mere act of entering a club, and bureaucratizes unnecessarily... unnecessarily, unless you real goal is targeting gay people.

It's controversial enough that people are denied access for not being female, young and passably pretty, or for wearing white socks, or being black without being a successful rapper or NBA star, but in this case you are not even preserving any previous membership rules when what you are doing is precisely CREATING a membership rule so that you can discriminate and segregate according to a rule.
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I really think you have wildly distorted view of America.
 
Benvolio said:
Our first amendment to the Constitution prohibits an establishment of religion, but continues, "or prohibit the free exercise thereof." This necessarily requires some balancing. Liberals wish to brush aside the right, subordinating religious objections to the liberal agenda. Liberals have tried to force people of conscience to pay for the killing of children, for instance. Clearly if gays could not find places to live or eat or stay, balancing would probably require the religious objection to give way. The statute has an exception for the states compelling interest. But so long as it is only a matter of isolated incidents, the Constitutional right of " free exercise" should be respected. Again, I think discrimination is wrong, but a rare problem which will disappear when liberals stop trying to force their view.
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I have bolded the part which exemplifies a recurring fault with Republican mentality. Presumably you might think that airlines which have introduced new cockpit procedures following the Germanwings incident are over-reacting?
The idea that if liberals just shut up a bit, then things would get better all by themselves is a ridiculous notion.
I am no fan of militant campaining of causes, but its hardly militant to protect whole subsections of society from legislation which is specifically designed to allow for discrimination against them.

You mentioned the prohibiting of the free exerise of religion, as a counterpoint to my claim of the establishment of it. This doesn't stand up as a valid argument however. I already pointed out that this has nothing to do with the exercise of religion, but the exercise of fundamentalism WITHIN the faith.

Such laws that disgruntle the christian right are NOT preventing the practice of faith, merely limiting the extreme practice of it, for the benefit of those who would otherwise have their rights abused by it. An isolated incident under Pence's law, would be subject to recurring isolated incidents, which would then give way to status quo behaviour in discrimination towards gays, umanrried couples etc etc. A clear step backwards.

The impetus should not be on unmarried couples to find a motel that are happy to give them a room, or a photographer who is happy to take pictures at a gay wedding. The impetus should be on the christian, providing a public service, to exercise what should be a good key value of any GOOD christian, tolerance. If they feel they can't reconcile their faith with the service they provide to others, they shouldn't be doing it. Pence's legislation is protecting fundamentalism, not religious freedom.
 
Mitchymo said:
The idea that if liberals just shut up a bit, then things would get better all by themselves is a ridiculous notion.
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QFT

Every time things DO start to get better "all by themselves," Republicans pass legislation like this Indiana hate law to try and stop tolerance, civility, and humanity from becoming common in America.
 
JackFTwist said:
I think it was an incredibly wrong decision to move this thread from Hot Topics to here. This is at the very least a hot topic. Decisions like this is why I avoid JUB for years at a time.
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This thread was NOT moved here from "Hot Topics."

I started it here because it is a current, political event. Which is what we discuss in Current Events and Politics.
 
T-Rexx said:
This thread was NOT moved here from "Hot Topics."

I started it here because it is a current, political event. Which is what we discuss in Current Events and Politics.
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and, thank you for so doing....for it is an eye opener in terms of what the Neanderthal mind set can do to reverse progress.
 
TX-Beau said:
In the US there is a legal difference between Private Club and Public Accommodation. If you are classified as a Public Accommodation you can't discriminate, if you are classified as a Private Club you can. This is far older than fights about gay people.
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The same in Europe, but that doesn't prevent people from confusing the concepts, and some politicians even discuss legislation for the whole of a society likening it to abiding by private membership clubs.
 
TX-Beau said:
Private clubs in the US ARE allowed to discriminate genius, public accommodations are not.
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Public accommodations ARE allowed to discriminate against gays in Indiana and that was true even before this law. This law changes nothing in that regard.

Public accommodations are only not allowed to discriminate against gays in states or cities that have enacted anti-discrimination laws that include gays. Indiana was never among them.
 
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