Op-Ed Iran .... another Red Line in 6 Months

[Jack Springer]

Obama must like red lines. Obama blamed his Syrian red line on the USA people and the world -- he said it wasn't his idea. He has another red line this Saturday, November 30 for his web site to be functional .. he's been blaming the republicans for his healthcare.gov web site problems, and now Obama and several other countries have set a red line in 6 months for Iran.

I'm not sure what the red line here means -- except they want a permanent solution -- what the solution is we don't know -- limited nuclear power or full nuclear power or no nuclear power at all. The current agreement is only good for 6 months. Iran must be really happy -- $8 Billion for 6 months of showing UN Inspectors only the facilities that they want to show them. Can I get a deal like that? If only I could get my tax refund the same day as I sent my 1040 to the IRS.

No one other than Kerry, Obama, and Iran seem to like the deal. Democrats don't. Republicans don't. The Arab world doesn't. Israel doesn't. There is even talk today about Saudi Arabia starting work on their own nuclear bomb.

The strangest part of the whole deal seems to be the timing. Why this week? Why at 3am in the morning? Don't french speaking SOS sleep at 3am? What was so important that it had to be signed at 3am in the morning? Oh yeah, reporters did get a laugh out of Obama looking like he was talking to a crowd on Saturday night (the room was basically empty).

I guess only time will tell if the agreement is a good deal or not. Right now it seems only this guy is smiling . . .

http://freebeacon.com/reports-u-s-unfreezes-8-billion-in-iranian-assets/

 

[palbert]

Further evidence we should have left Iraq alone and taken out Iran. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/21/opinion/how-bush-let-iran-go-nuclear.html?ref=contributors

 

[Sausy]

I thought the original amount Iran was supposed to have access to was a bit over 4 billion? NOW it's 8 billion? We had them on the ropes and now they're rope a doping like Muhammad Ali. Thank you Barack Obama, incompetent boob.

 

[Sausy]

I do agree though that George W Bush dropped the ball and in taking out Iraq set the wheels in motion for the current predicament with Iran. Obama just has made it inevitable that Iraq gets the bomb even though this accord is supposed to be the beginning of Nirvana. Great judgment, common sense..... very hard to get leaders who have the temperament and talents to excel in these categories but what we have received in both Bush and Obama , despite supposed intellectual heft in Obama... is the making of a recipe for a disaster.

 

[palbert]

I do agree though that George W Bush dropped the ball and in taking out Iraq set the wheels in motion for the current predicament with Iran. Obama just has made it inevitable that Iraq gets the bomb even though this accord is supposed to be the beginning of Nirvana. Great judgment, common sense..... very hard to get leaders who have the temperament and talents to excel in these categories but what we have received in both Bush and Obama , despite supposed intellectual heft in Obama... is the making of a recipe for a disaster.

P5+1 plus EU demands seem to have been modest. We have established a poor benchmark.

Are we subcontracting any action to Israel? That's my expectation. Beginning to look a lot like Israel and the Suez nationalization of the 50's again. There's dirty work afoot - or should be.

 

[Alnitak]

Israel undoubtedly will bomb Iran if it senses an existential threat, with or without the American blessing, and the Arab nations will help the Israelis do it.

 

[T-Rexx]

He has another red line this Saturday, November 30 for his web site to be functional .. he's been blaming the republicans for his healthcare.gov web site problems, and now Obama and several other countries have set a red line in 6 months for Iran.

Please provide some evidence of the president blaming Republicans for healthcare.gov.

The president has been fairly straightforward in accepting responsibility for this fiasco.

Iran must be really happy -- $8 Billion for 6 months of showing UN Inspectors only the facilities that they want to show them.

Actually, inspectors now have unprecedented access to Iran's nuclear facilities.

http://www.mynews3.com/content/news...ns-end-of-nuclear/k_jEmW22uEa5mT2WUjd2JA.cspx

Without the deal, we would still be in the dark about what Iran is doing.

No one other than Kerry, Obama, and Iran seem to like the deal.

Actually, almost everyone likes it.

World Leaders Tweet Support for Iran Nuclear Deal - Except One.

The strangest part of the whole deal seems to be the timing. Why this week? Why at 3am in the morning? Don't french speaking SOS sleep at 3am? What was so important that it had to be signed at 3am in the morning?

So, your point is that war is better than peace negotiated into the wee hours of the morning.

When the negotiating gets tough, you would prefer our diplomats pack up and go to bed.

I guess only time will tell if the agreement is a good deal or not.

You seem already to have decided you don't like peace in the Middle East.

 

[palbert]

Sand (silica) + nuclear explosion = glass

 

[bike10]

The GOP and NeoCons would rather have another a war.

 

[Jack Springer]

Please provide some evidence of the president blaming Republicans for healthcare.gov.

The president has been fairly straightforward in accepting responsibility for this fiasco.
Actually, inspectors now have unprecedented access to Iran's nuclear facilities.
http://www.mynews3.com/content/news...ns-end-of-nuclear/k_jEmW22uEa5mT2WUjd2JA.cspx
Without the deal, we would still be in the dark about what Iran is doing.
Actually, almost everyone likes it.
World Leaders Tweet Support for Iran Nuclear Deal - Except One.
So, your point is that war is better than peace negotiated into the wee hours of the morning.
When the negotiating gets tough, you would prefer our diplomats pack up and go to bed.
You seem already to have decided you don't like peace in the Middle East.

Real world leaders don't tweet.

 

[Alnitak]

Real Scots eat haggis.

 

[rareboy]

Christ Almighty.

There would be no pleasing the far right in the US over Iran unless it gets turned into a sheet of glass so that finally they could feel they really got even for the humiliating hostage taking that in itself was a get-back for the toppling of Iran;s democratically elected government in the 1950's in order to install a fake puppet prince as a bulwark against those evil Russkies.

Deal with it. Having Iran on the outlaw side of nation states isn't working.

 

[Callum]

Oh come on Springer: it's pretty amusing how a trade-off for 'ceasing uranium production for lesser economic sanctions' turned into "Iran can build nukes now" on Fox News.

Israel undoubtedly will bomb Iran if it senses an existential threat, with or without the American blessing, and the Arab nations will help the Israelis do it.

Probably this, particularly Saudi Arabia.

I don't agree with Israeli policies/politics, but they haven't really been wrong on anything yet. I'd trust Israeli intelligence over Persian.

 

[nycguydowntown]

Iran was our close friend for 40 years after we killed their elected leader and put the Shah in power. The religious turn it took was in response to many years of bad government by the Shah--where the rich got richer and the poor poorer--similar to republican economics---thus the turn to religion for many years which many didn't really want but that's what happens when you put a greedy family in power after you've taken out the elected leader---my sister was married to an Iranian--he was a wonderful guy with a wonderful family---the young people in Iran want to be our friend again---more so than many places in that region---eventually this will happen--it is inevitable---(like health care for all) in spite of the morons on the right. It's easy to be a gop pres and cut taxes for the rich and send men into war--no political danger there---it's much harder to try to make peace with our enemies and give poor people access to health care---these are brave moves by real leaders.

 

[Jack Springer]

Christ Almighty.

There would be no pleasing the far right in the US over Iran unless it gets turned into a sheet of glass so that finally they could feel they really got even for the humiliating hostage taking that in itself was a get-back for the toppling of Iran;s democratically elected government in the 1950's in order to install a fake puppet prince as a bulwark against those evil Russkies.

Deal with it. Having Iran on the outlaw side of nation states isn't working.

The far left is not happy with this at all.

Can you tell me what this agreement does?

 

[Jack Springer]

Oh come on Springer: it's pretty amusing how a trade-off for 'ceasing uranium production for lesser economic sanctions' turned into "Iran can build nukes now" on Fox News.



Probably this, particularly Saudi Arabia.

I don't agree with Israeli policies/politics, but they haven't really been wrong on anything yet. I'd trust Israeli intelligence over Persian.

Iran is not ceasing uranium production -- they have only agreed not to make the high quality stuff.

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Iran was our close friend for 40 years after we killed their elected leader and put the Shah in power. The religious turn it took was in response to many years of bad government by the Shah--where the rich got richer and the poor poorer--similar to republican economics---thus the turn to religion for many years which many didn't really want but that's what happens when you put a greedy family in power after you've taken out the elected leader---my sister was married to an Iranian--he was a wonderful guy with a wonderful family---the young people in Iran want to be our friend again---more so than many places in that region---eventually this will happen--it is inevitable---(like health care for all) in spite of the morons on the right. It's easy to be a gop pres and cut taxes for the rich and send men into war--no political danger there---it's much harder to try to make peace with our enemies and give poor people access to health care---these are brave moves by real leaders.

This isn't what the real world looks like . . .

 

[medic1]

Israel undoubtedly will bomb Iran if it senses an existential threat, with or without the American blessing, and the Arab nations will help the Israelis do it.

Yes! Yes they will.

Real Scots eat haggis.

Yep!.....

 

[Kulindahr]

Obama .... has another red line this Saturday, November 30 for his web site to be functional .. he's been blaming the republicans for his healthcare.gov web site problems

What source do you get your lies from? I've listened to Obama twice now speak about the issue, and he hasn't blamed any Republicans.

 

[Kulindahr]

The far left is not happy with this at all.

Can you tell me what this agreement does?

A link has been posted. There's this thing people here do called "reading". Try it.

 

[JayHawk]

SO wait... we go to war and the left cries tears of agony enough that the right eventually joins them......

Then we begin a negotiation process instead of war and then the right cries like stuck piggies until some lefties join in to bitch......

So basically we would be better off doing nothing ever and just hearing the same amount of bitching?

No wonder Europe gave up on being world powers... it sucks being the pivot man.

The original intent in Iraq was to knock it down and establish a pincher with Afghanistan to the east and Iraq to the west of Iran. The plan was weak to have a follow on government and it didnt materialize.

What is most amazing is the same people whining that Obama is talking to Iran would be the exact people crying hysterics if we bombed the nuc facilities into the stone age.

Utterly Amusing.

So since everyone is a world class diplomat, please identify the things you would have done in the place of our bumbling idiotic administration. Crushing the life out of a country economically is not a plan and further destabilizing the fractured middles east with a Israeli strike is not even remotely logical either.... so go for it wizzards. Take us to the next step after we have not talked diplomatically in 34 years .... jeesh