Iraq - not ALL is bad

[chance1]

Someone quoting the NY Post as a source for an op-ed defending the situation in Iraq? WOW. Delusional! Feel good stories from Iraq? Maybe if the journalists could be guaranteed that they won't be blown to hell while reporting them, or kidnapped or beheaded. Chance1, why don't you join up for your buddy Bush, then you can report from Baghdad.

The NY Post is a fine paper - great sports section - check out Pete Vecsey's basketball column

delusional?? a bit strong

Yeah - feel good stories - as in it's not all doom and gloom - it's called balance - vs. we gotta get the fuck out - everyone is miserable - etc etc

I think it's actually a good idea

 

[ryankeith]

The NY Post is a fine paper - great sports section - check out Pete Vecsey's basketball column

delusional?? a bit strong

Yeah - feel good stories - as in it's not all doom and gloom - it's called balance - vs. we gotta get the fuck out - everyone is miserable - etc etc

I think it's actually a good idea

Its called Balance? There is no balance between what good is happening in Iraq right now and what bad is happening in Iraq...I think that is the point people are making. That is why the papers are loaded with bad things happening in Iraq, because there are so few things that are good.

That's why you will never get "balanced" reporting between good ole boy stories and bad shit stories.

 

[texpatriot]

The NY Post is a fine paper - great sports section - check out Pete Vecsey's basketball column

delusional?? a bit strong

Yeah - feel good stories - as in it's not all doom and gloom - it's called balance - vs. we gotta get the fuck out - everyone is miserable - etc etc

I think it's actually a good idea

Ummmph!

I love me some hot "jock" big dicked gay boys who choose their news sources for it's sport's content as opposed to their political/national/world news commentary!

I wanna grab a copy of the New York Post so that I'll have something to wipe my pre-cum on!

Thanks for the tip!

Next time you're at a Newstand there in NYC, pick up a copy of Mother Earth News!

It will be a good resource when everything else has failed, and the doomsayer's predictions come true.

In the meantime you can learn about self-sufficiency, and how to take care of yourself when the proverbial "shit hit's the fan."



Trust me on this!

 

[chance1]

If you want balance why don't you read Iraqi newspapers? I'm certain they'll have all the good and the bad on their pages, chance.

do they deliver?

LOL

 

[Kulindahr]

I see why chance gets so disgusted in this forum. Most of the posts so far either (1) didn't really read the article, (2) discounted what it said because it doesn't agree with their positions, (3) just repeated standard anti-American, anti-Bush rhetoric that didn't even relate, or (4) spun theories out of air to try to theme seem false.

The article acknowledged all the violence, it acknowledged all the bad things happening, but it point out what the mainstream media hasn't -- that in most of Iraq, things are peaceful and are getting better. They're repairing horrendous damage to the environment (liberals love that till it makes someone look good when they don't want that happening), establishing a grass-roots economy, learning to live with more freedom, and so on.
Yes, Bush has screwed things up badly -- but don't let blind anti-Bush hatred shut off your vision to the fact that good things are happening.
The question people should ask, after reading that article, is this: Are the good things that are happening, and there are a lot, building up fast enough to overtake and overcome the bad things?
The question to that lies in Baghdad, which the writer seems to dismiss as just a small part of the country. In terms of physical geography he's right; in terms of human geography he isn't. Iraq is, like many countries, the sort of place where as goes the capital, so goes the country. So in spite of the fact that the greater land area of the country is making progress and enjoying a better life than under Saddam, all it might take is that one city remaining bad, and there goes the whole thing.
None of us know enough to really call this one, but from the amount of violence in the capital, and from the wright the capital has in the human and political equation, it doesn't look good.

 

[chance1]

Ummmph!

I love me some hot "jock" big dicked gay boys who choose their news sources for it's sport's content as opposed to their political/national/world news commentary!

I wanna grab a copy of the New York Post so that I'll have something to wipe my pre-cum on!

Thanks for the tip!

Next time you're at a Newstand there in NYC, pick up a copy of Mother Earth News!

It will be a good resource when everything else has failed, and the doomsayer's predictions come true.

In the meantime you can learn about self-sufficiency, and how to take care of yourself when the proverbial "shit hit's the fan."



Trust me on this!

me thinks you've gone negative Tex - wha happened?

The shit could hit the fan - for sure - always could

let's not plan on it

let's try to not make it happen

and BTW - the Sunday NY Post sports section is aces

as for Mother Earth News, well ............... I can only adjust so much

 

[Andreus]

this is all just bullshit

there is absolutely NO DOUBT by any of the bush admin oficials that the war has gone badly

they have spent all week talking about it in the media and on capital hill

so lets stop with the accuations of negativity

its just partisan CRAP

these types of posts and threads dont do anything but insult the intelligence of the readers and expose the republicans in wolves clothing

no one is being fooled here

this thread's main purpose is to stir shit up and that is just becoming a standard fare for some who just cant stomach how BAD the Bush administration has become and become viewed in america.

 

[unclaimedblessing]

If everything is so honkey-dorey in Iraq and constantly improving, why do they keeping shooting at us?.
They might (probably) hate us, but if we were really improving the lives of the average Iraqi, they undoubtedly could figure that out for themselves.
If the USA was invaded and bombed and occupied I don't think we'd be treating the invaders as welcomed liberators despite what their president might say.

 

[naked gent]

I'm usually the voice of "doom and gloom" from the Right on Iraq, but it is just possible that the Iraqi's watch and follow American politics enough that they are starting to get the clue that this may be their final chance of pulling a respectable country out of this. One of my hopes is that when the American people and the Democrat Congress finally pull the plug, patriotic Iraqis will fight like hell to keep it from all going down the drain. It is important to keep in mind all the great things they have accomplished since the fall of Saddam. They are still the ONLY arab country to actually hold multi party, multi ethnic, multi religious free elections multiple times and hammer together the beginnings of a democracy.

Wow seapuppy you can grasp at democtatic straws as well as republican ones. Sooner or later you'll realize that they don't share your goals. As today's request by Maliki for more weapons (not more troops) indicates us threatening them with our leaving is hardly going to scare them. They can't wait till we leave so they can settle scores both old and new.

Maybe had the sunnis accepted their minority status and lack of power the shia might have gone easy on them but they did not and now the shia will not.

'Patriotic iraqi's' whoever are you talking about?

I'd ask you to consider this, from your previous posts you have shown a readiness to identify enemies and then confront them. Were you a shia iraqi who would you identify as the enemy? Perhaps the sunnies your former oppressors who are killing your friends and families because they are shia? Might you identify with your tribe before your nation......a nation by the way which has always treated you and yours as second class citizens.

For me the irony of your post is that were you iraqi I believe you would be far more likely to join a militia than join an army supported by an invading power.

 

[chance1]

This thread is typical "life on JUB'

The writer makes no attempt to say things are great - he provides examples of "not all bad" - for that balance, he is skewered

But that couldn't possibly be the case right? The extreme lib media and their henchman (you) need everything to suck so Bush sucks so life is good

The amount of investment in Iraq sucks is so great that anything that isn't consistent with that is shouted down. It's a freaking mob

The comments about the NY Post are laughable - it is consistent with the trashing of Fox News despite the fact that both the Post and FN are each 1 of very few outlets in their mediums that lean right - while the default is NY Times/MSNBC

As a group, you refuse to acknowledge anything but misery in Iraq

It's so partisan - so transparent - so ....................... JUB

my 2 cents

nothing personal

 

[Kulindahr]

this thread's main purpose is to stir shit up and that is just becoming a standard fare for some who just cant stomach how BAD the Bush administration has become and become viewed in america.

For partisan fanatics, that's probably the view that's going to be held no matter who posts, no matter what view is expressed.

I'd say the above statement's main purpose is to introduce emotion and spite rather than engage in reasoned discourse. This thread isn't about the Bush administration.

 

[Kulindahr]

If everything is so honkey-dorey in Iraq and constantly improving, why do they keeping shooting at us?.
They might (probably) hate us, but if we were really improving the lives of the average Iraqi, they undoubtedly could figure that out for themselves.
If the USA was invaded and bombed and occupied I don't think we'd be treating the invaders as welcomed liberators despite what their president might say.

Over-generalization again.

You're talking about more than one group of people here. As the writer of the piece showed effectively, there are many Iraqis who still want us there, who appreciate the good things that are being done, are improving their lives, and so on.

Then there are the ones who just don't care. We could build every Iraqi family a five-bedroom, two-and-a-half bath house with a three-car garage, tennis court, and swimming pool, get them established in their own business... and some would just not care. For them, it doesn't matter if the U.S. and its friends do anything good, or bad -- they have decided we're evil, and have to be gotten rid of. It's a very barbarian, primitive mindset, but evey country has those sorts of people; it's just that Iraq's barbarous crowd have taken up guns to do their fanatic work.

As for the U.S., if Pat Robertson (president), Jerry Falwell (vice president), and Fred Phelps (Secretary of Internal Security), andsomehow took control and ran the country under an iron fist, throwing atheists and gays in prison, and India sent troops to remove them and restore the Constitution, I dare say about everyone on this board would welcome them as liberators.


note: is anyone sees in this some sort of defense of the Bush administration, I feel very sorry for him.

 

[gaygoth]

First off, I am a gay conservative. Not a Republican, but a conservative. I don't post much in this area of JUB because most of you are liberals and I like making friends, not enemies.

That said, I just couldn't stay shut up for long. Here I go.

I'm not saying that things are going great in Iraq, (they are not), but it is nice to hear some of the fine work our brave men and women are doing over there, rather than the constant drum-beat of "so-and-so number of soldiers died in Iraq today."

And there are quite a few liberals on Fox News. Alan Combs, Greta Van Susteren, Shepard Smith, etc. That said, it is a conservative channel. Also, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, PMSNBC, and all the rest are liberal. Wow, I guess conservatives have really taken over the TV airways. One channel. Wow.

I thought you liberals liked diversity?

P.S. Hey choice1, good to see someone who hasn't jumped on the gay liberal bandwagon!

 

[chance1]

Calm down there champ---"it's a freakin mob" that's a little rough on us henchmen ain't it ?

Your support of the N.Y. post is kinda funny, I 'm not into sports so I'll have to take your word on the sports page , but they are shamelessly biased towards the Bush Crime Family.

Fox "leans" to the right ?

C'mon man, "leans "..really?

Boy, talk about an understatement!

Pretty funny... Fox "leans " to the right..

LOL

Kenny - read the posts on this thread - clearly many have not read it - saw the source - and trashed it - so much outrage that a writer suggests that some of what goes on in Iraq is good

this thread and many others supports my claim

you are one of the good henchmen btw - LOL

 

[chance1]

First off, I am a gay conservative. Not a Republican, but a conservative. I don't post much in this area of JUB because most of you are liberals and I like making friends, not enemies.

That said, I just couldn't stay shut up for long. Here I go.

I'm not saying that things are going great in Iraq, (they are not), but it is nice to hear some of the fine work our brave men and women are doing over there, rather than the constant drum-beat of "so-and-so number of soldiers died in Iraq today."

And there are quite a few liberals on Fox News. Alan Combs, Greta Van Susteren, Shepard Smith, etc. That said, it is a conservative channel. Also, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, PMSNBC, and all the rest are liberal. Wow, I guess conservatives have really taken over the TV airways. One channel. Wow.

I thought you liberals liked diversity?

P.S. Hey choice1, good to see someone who hasn't jumped on the gay liberal bandwagon!

welcome to the jungle gaygoth

I'm gonna get ironic on you and say "nice avatar"

you speaketh much truth - you're in deep doo doo trust me

Liberals like diversity - extreme liberalism, very extreme liberalism and extremely extreme liberalism

u can call me choice - but it's chance - LOL

 

[gaygoth]

My mistake, sorry. It's been a long day! lol.

And yes, I figured I was in deep when I made the post, but it doesn't do much good to be silent.

And thanks on the avatar kudos (how is that ironic?) Yours is pretty awesome too

 

[chance1]

Dude, he didn't only call you choice, he called you choice1---you're choice number one---which might be a good thing, depending on what he's choosing for you to do.

Is it ironic because that's you in his avatar?

Gaygoth... conservative. Hm, not quite sure I saw that one coming. A gay conservative, sure, we have those... but a gay goth conservative? Congrats, gaygoth! Don't worry about making friends or enemies around here---just throw down, play hard, and for the love of all that is stay away from logical fallacies. It's just a big fun for all.

The irony about the avatar is that I get shit once in a while for my avatar - it's too cute - too young - too hot - whatever

gaygoth's avatar is beyond hot - rrrrrrrrr

 

[Kulindahr]

Careful, gentlemen -- this is an "On Topic" thread.....

I wonder if they can connect to JUB in Iraq? That would be a very not-bad thing, IMHO.

Then they could comment on avatars, too.

(How's that for dragging it back on topic?)

 

[gaygoth]

I think it's time the Iraqis stop commenting on avatars and start building their own government (officially back on topic).

America has sacrificed greatly to bring Iraq freedom and to try to bring stability to an unstable region, but Iraq hasn't grasped what a great gift we have given them.

That said, good things have been accomplished in Iraq. A murderous dictator is gone, and there have been reports that Iraq's economy is "booming."

 

[Kulindahr]

America has sacrificed greatly to bring Iraq freedom and to try to bring stability to an unstable region, but Iraq hasn't grasped what a great gift we have given them.

That said, good things have been accomplished in Iraq. A murderous dictator is gone, and there have been reports that Iraq's economy is "booming."

We tried to move their society too far, though. They were ready for a Magna Charta, but not an American Revolution. In going so far, we risked losing it all, and then some.

Much of Iraq has in fact grasped what we've brought them, to an extent at least. They follow the forms of democracy, but the stabilizing structure is tribal -- and within that dual structure, things are thriving in many areas.

Then there's Baghdad, which gives the whole place a bad name.