Iraq - not ALL is bad

[Kulindahr]

Ask the Iraqis -- they say yes, they'd rather Saddam were in charge. To them, one torturer is the same as another, one failed leader is the same as another. That was an easy question, easy to answer, hard to refute. Hard to believe, but Bush has done it: he's less popular than Saddam, both in Iraq and in America.

Just my .02
Nothing personal.

Right -- that's why so many of them were cheering at his death.

It's also not the word from the servicemen over there I hear from. The Iraqis they interact with are glad Saddam is gone, glad the Americans came... but wish the Americans could go away so they could run their own country.

 

[chance1]

Right -- that's why so many of them were cheering at his death.

It's also not the word from the servicemen over there I hear from. The Iraqis they interact with are glad Saddam is gone, glad the Americans came... but wish the Americans could go away so they could run their own country.

Bush sucks for sure - just ask the majority of JUBBERs

But that's not enough

Bush is worse for Iraqis than Saddam

Oh yeah

Just when you thought you'd read it all, here comes a good one

consider the source

 

[Kulindahr]

Bush sucks for sure - just ask the majority of JUBBERs

But that's not enough

Bush is worse for Iraqis than Saddam

Oh yeah

Just when you thought you'd read it all, here comes a good one

consider the source

Well, Bush sucks, but too many JUBbers blow that all out of proportion. One could suspect hyperbole, yet as they keep coming back with/for more, an orbit of some sort seems more likely -- around and around, inlaid echoes, in (a) rut.

But weren't we talking about what is GOOD in Iraq?

 

[chance1]

Well, Bush sucks, but too many JUBbers blow that all out of proportion. One could suspect hyperbole, yet as they keep coming back with/for more, an orbit of some sort seems more likely -- around and around, inlaid echoes, in (a) rut.

But weren't we talking about what is GOOD in Iraq?

90% of all threads that are not about Bush sucks ...............

become threads about just how bad Bush sucks

it speaks to the membership or at least the frequent flyer members

 

[smelter]

Well, Bush sucks, but too many JUBbers blow that all out of proportion. One could suspect hyperbole, yet as they keep coming back with/for more, an orbit of some sort seems more likely -- around and around, inlaid echoes, in (a) rut.

But weren't we talking about what is GOOD in Iraq?

The Kabobs are good but when the car bombs explode in the marketplace, the resultant flying skewers are down right deadly.

 

[snapcat]

While I'm sure that I don't have to remind everyone to remain on-topic in this "on-topic" thread, I would like to direct your attention to THIS THREAD for a discussion of baiting in CE&P.

 

[JayHawk]

I see some things posted here that are blatant lies. Obviously in a locked down regime you will never be able to ascertain an accurate toll of human life that has been taken by Sadam Hussein. One site places it at "approaching Two million" I have linked several from a variety of sources if you care to look for yourself.

http://www.moreorless.au.com/killers/hussein.html

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=5773

http://www.gbn.com/ArticleDisplayServlet.srv?aid=2400&msp=1242

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=392881

Now for some figures defining the number of dead from the American invasion and regime change:

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/database/

http://www.purposeless.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_conflict_in_Iraq_since_2003

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/iraq/casualties.html

What is the truth? Well no one knows or God only knows if you subscribe to that belief system. To be fair if you were to take the highest numbers from the US led invasion tallies then you get to +/- 800,000 counting military, civilians, insurgents........

Sadam killed that many prior to 1990 when he was forcibly removed from Kuwait. Some say if we had not meddled then, just allowed him to take what he wants, then the hundreds of thousands he killed after due to their support of overthrowing his regime, well they would have never happened. But why would he change policy of killing that which angered Sadam?

SO if that is the two totals....8 hundred thousand people by this action and two million before that.....Approaching three million deaths due to one man.

Since he would have continued to kill his own people then his casualty list on the we shouldn't have done it side is non-ending.

There is not a ounce of sanity in the thought that the people of Iraq and the region were better off with Saddam. That is only the excuse of people who hate the price of change. Regardless it is done and what needs to happen is Iraq needs to be made better because of this conflict. That will happen whether as led from Tehran or via the kicking and screaming beginings of a democracy.

 

[smelter]

What is the truth? Well no one knows or God only knows if you subscribe to that belief system. To be fair if you were to take the highest numbers from the US led invasion tallies then you get to +/- 800,000 counting military, civilians, insurgents........

Sadam killed that many prior to 1990 when he was forcibly removed from Kuwait. Some say if we had not meddled then, just allowed him to take what he wants, then the hundreds of thousands he killed after due to their support of overthrowing his regime, well they would have never happened. But why would he change policy of killing that which angered Sadam?

SO if that is the two totals....8 hundred thousand people by this action and two million before that.....Approaching three million deaths due to one man.

Since he would have continued to kill his own people then his casualty list on the we shouldn't have done it side is non-ending.

There is not a ounce of sanity in the thought that the people of Iraq and the region were better off with Saddam. That is only the excuse of people who hate the price of change. Regardless it is done and what needs to happen is Iraq needs to be made better because of this conflict. That will happen whether as led from Tehran or via the kicking and screaming beginings of a democracy.

Mazda, this is the most convoluted piece of logic for starting a war that I've ever read. I am literally speechless!

 

[JayHawk]

That is not the reason for starting the War. We are definitely not that altruistic. The reason we went to war was to have a established allie and solid basing in the area for future forays against terrorist supporting regimes.

I was simply refuting the idea that we have killed more peopl in a shorter time than Sadam.

 

[Kulindahr]

How about some links to some of the good things that are happening? We can sit here and recite the bad stuff easily, because the media dumps it on us constantly. But just as they dump tons of bad stuff on us here at home, and we know there are good things happening, too, but don't hear them, we know that good things are happening in Iraq. Can we get a little out of the rut and find some?