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I can't resist a shot at post 16's "thread creation theory".
Threads weren't created, dude -- they evolved out of chaos into their present orderly form. 
 
There's a complex mix of influences going on, but I'm coming down on Mexico being the greatest threat, societally.
Underneath is the enabling liberal feel-good pseudo-philosophy that wants to forgive and embrace even when what's being embraced is engaged in one's destruction. Just as with its fostering of laws that have taught kids they can get away with hundreds of small crimes and a totally anti-social attitude, the liberal ethos doesn't care that millions of people are coming here with no intent of becoming Americans. Indeed, the liberal "can't we all just get along" mush much prefers feeling good about each other to having a clue what being an American is about -- and so we have no real penalties for entering the country illegally, no real penalties for working here illegally, no real requirements for living here anyway (except being willing to just get along). So of course people in Mexico think they can come to the U.S. of A. without penalty of any sort.
The great corporations don't help at all; rather, they contribute to the megamigration by pretending patriotism but looking the other way on the premise that these millions who will labor so cheaply must have the mass effect of driving wages down -- which they do, to a limited but generally overstated extent. When they do complain, they join the liberal advocates of protectionist labor policy, crying out with great hypocrisy that these immigrants are "taking American jobs", which also is somewhat true, but not nearly to the extent that is widely held.
Yet both of these elements serve to cover up a fact that any serious student of the long history of the Americas must be aware of: migrations northward have been a regular phenomenon for millennia. From South America and the Yucatan into the Caribbean and Cuba and thence to Florida, and up the Isthmus into Mexico and on northward, people have been moving in trickles and tribes, seeking new territory, off and on -- mostly on -- since far before the hemisphere's continents were named after a rather obscure Italian explorer. Viewed in the long term, this is just another mass movement of people -- albeit on a larger scale, but then the continents have larger populations.
So, they're coming, and only lip service has been paid to stopping the flow. That alone, in itself, is no threat. Germans once came to North America in such numbers that German very nearly became the official language of the U.S. Italians also came in great swarms, raising fears the country would become a realm run by mafiosi. Irish came, and the cry went up that they would take all the good jobs... and perhaps turn the country over to the Papists. Refugees came from all over, and in every case they were greeted with suspicion -- a suspicion whose degree was most proportionate to the degree of difference, whether language, religion, or skin color.
But these immigrants are different -- many of them very truly different. Many of them have no loyalty to the country they've settled in -- witness the fact that in Hispanic-issue related protests, Mexican flags are in abundance. If they had any inclination to being Americans, they'd be waving the stars and stripes, not the banner of a foreign country. Those immigrants, whatever the rest may be, are certainly not friends; they are parasites, invading parasites.
Nor is their country of origin a friend, no matter the pleasant public noises for the press and camera. Mexico complains at every effort the U.S. makes to control its borders, objects to every deportation, protests laws intended to protect U.S. citizens against invaders... in their own country! The way Mexico squeals, one would think Congress is trying to make law for south of the border!
And those are not the actions of a friend. A friendly country would be cooperating to make the border tight against illegal crossing, not happily encouraging millions of its own people to go northward... and remain loyal to the homeland, not their new country. A friendly country would ask, "How can we help?"
We need to fix the problems within, though, while we're dealing with the problem on the borders. Fences to deter must be matched by the restoration of a school curriculum that teaches what America is about (and it isn't "democracy"). And penalties inside the border should be toughened for both illegal immigrants and antisocial youth -- by which I mean all those who shrug off lawbreaking as no big deal because their records will be wiped clear when they turn 18.
Of course, if Bush hadn't dug a hole called "the Iraq war" and started pouring tens of billions of dollars in, the U.S. could just buy Mexico....
	
		
			
		
		
	
				
			Threads weren't created, dude -- they evolved out of chaos into their present orderly form.
 
 There's a complex mix of influences going on, but I'm coming down on Mexico being the greatest threat, societally.
Underneath is the enabling liberal feel-good pseudo-philosophy that wants to forgive and embrace even when what's being embraced is engaged in one's destruction. Just as with its fostering of laws that have taught kids they can get away with hundreds of small crimes and a totally anti-social attitude, the liberal ethos doesn't care that millions of people are coming here with no intent of becoming Americans. Indeed, the liberal "can't we all just get along" mush much prefers feeling good about each other to having a clue what being an American is about -- and so we have no real penalties for entering the country illegally, no real penalties for working here illegally, no real requirements for living here anyway (except being willing to just get along). So of course people in Mexico think they can come to the U.S. of A. without penalty of any sort.
The great corporations don't help at all; rather, they contribute to the megamigration by pretending patriotism but looking the other way on the premise that these millions who will labor so cheaply must have the mass effect of driving wages down -- which they do, to a limited but generally overstated extent. When they do complain, they join the liberal advocates of protectionist labor policy, crying out with great hypocrisy that these immigrants are "taking American jobs", which also is somewhat true, but not nearly to the extent that is widely held.
Yet both of these elements serve to cover up a fact that any serious student of the long history of the Americas must be aware of: migrations northward have been a regular phenomenon for millennia. From South America and the Yucatan into the Caribbean and Cuba and thence to Florida, and up the Isthmus into Mexico and on northward, people have been moving in trickles and tribes, seeking new territory, off and on -- mostly on -- since far before the hemisphere's continents were named after a rather obscure Italian explorer. Viewed in the long term, this is just another mass movement of people -- albeit on a larger scale, but then the continents have larger populations.
So, they're coming, and only lip service has been paid to stopping the flow. That alone, in itself, is no threat. Germans once came to North America in such numbers that German very nearly became the official language of the U.S. Italians also came in great swarms, raising fears the country would become a realm run by mafiosi. Irish came, and the cry went up that they would take all the good jobs... and perhaps turn the country over to the Papists. Refugees came from all over, and in every case they were greeted with suspicion -- a suspicion whose degree was most proportionate to the degree of difference, whether language, religion, or skin color.
But these immigrants are different -- many of them very truly different. Many of them have no loyalty to the country they've settled in -- witness the fact that in Hispanic-issue related protests, Mexican flags are in abundance. If they had any inclination to being Americans, they'd be waving the stars and stripes, not the banner of a foreign country. Those immigrants, whatever the rest may be, are certainly not friends; they are parasites, invading parasites.
Nor is their country of origin a friend, no matter the pleasant public noises for the press and camera. Mexico complains at every effort the U.S. makes to control its borders, objects to every deportation, protests laws intended to protect U.S. citizens against invaders... in their own country! The way Mexico squeals, one would think Congress is trying to make law for south of the border!
And those are not the actions of a friend. A friendly country would be cooperating to make the border tight against illegal crossing, not happily encouraging millions of its own people to go northward... and remain loyal to the homeland, not their new country. A friendly country would ask, "How can we help?"
We need to fix the problems within, though, while we're dealing with the problem on the borders. Fences to deter must be matched by the restoration of a school curriculum that teaches what America is about (and it isn't "democracy"). And penalties inside the border should be toughened for both illegal immigrants and antisocial youth -- by which I mean all those who shrug off lawbreaking as no big deal because their records will be wiped clear when they turn 18.
Of course, if Bush hadn't dug a hole called "the Iraq war" and started pouring tens of billions of dollars in, the U.S. could just buy Mexico....


 
						 
 
		 
 
		
 
 
		 
	







 
 
		 
 







 
 
		

 ).  In 2006 Mexico was our second largest provider of oil only surpassed by Canada and followed by Venezuela and Saudi Arabia (in that order).    This, in addition to being a clear security issue, is also part of that HUGE economic issue I was discussing.
).  In 2006 Mexico was our second largest provider of oil only surpassed by Canada and followed by Venezuela and Saudi Arabia (in that order).    This, in addition to being a clear security issue, is also part of that HUGE economic issue I was discussing. I would also guess that most of those people don't even have a passport.
  I would also guess that most of those people don't even have a passport.  






