Iraq or Mexico: Who Threatens America More?

[Kulindahr]

[STRIKE]Bitch[/STRIKE] link please.

I don't even know if it's on the web; I saw a forward of a report from a sheriff on the border in either New Mexico or Arizona. They'd found abandoned clothes and some survival items with documents that turned out to be from Iran.

Now either someone planted it, or someone's sneaking in up to no good.

 

[Kulindahr]

This country is nowhere near as socialist as you think!!

Kulindahr, there's a flaw in your theory. Raw capitalism just doesn't work. What happens is that the economy overheats and you get terrible inflation problems. This would necessitate higher interest rates--much higher--which would poke a hole in the whole thing.

Not to mention the barracudas of society. Those security laws are in place for a reason. Do you really want a repeat of 1929? Buying on margin? etc? We won't even go into overproducing of farming, etc.

It's horribly socialist -- the degree to which the government tells you how to run your own business is nauseating.

Raw capitalism is what built this country. We didn't start having real problems until the government started poking its fingers in -- and there is a very strong case that the government's meddling was what made 1929 a real disaster.

"Overproducing of farming" is a fallacy -- if there's too much food, prices drop, some people switch to a different business, and the food supply stabilizes. It's also a myth because we have a hungry world in which it isn't possible to overproduce farming.
If the government would stop subsidizing giant corporations like ConAgra, it would help.

 

[Kulindahr]

I read Reason magazine and a number of scholarly journals. There is good reason to think that government meddling -- and bungling -- made 1929 into a full-scale disaster rather than a brief period of difficulty.

I know Europe and Canada are bad. They essentially operate on the premise that the people belong to the government. The U.S. still works at clinging to the truth that the government belongs to the people, which make the U.S. preferable -- but slipping.

 

[VanHiscers]

It's really a very funny thread. A lot of Americans think that the US is a safe and free place to live, but you always think that you're being threatened by some countries who are much weaker and poorer than yours. It doesn't make sense.

If a country like the US, who has only two neighbors, always worries about threats from other countries, then what will we Chinese feel for we have more than ten neighbors, like North Korea, India, Russia and Japan?

If you guys still think Iraq is a threat after American army's rape of that country, then I have nothing to say.

I don't know too much about Mexico, but the strong army that the US have makes me believe that your present Commander in Chief is a threat to the world peace.

 

[Kulindahr]

It's really a very funny thread. A lot of Americans think that the US is a safe and free place to live, but you always think that you're being threatened by some countries who are much weaker and poorer than yours. It doesn't make sense.

If a country like the US, who has only two neighbors, always worries about threats from other countries, then what will we Chinese feel for we have more than ten neighbors, like North Korea, India, Russia and Japan?

If you guys still think Iraq is a threat after American army's rape of that country, then I have nothing to say.

I don't know too much about Mexico, but the strong army that the US have makes me believe that your present Commander in Chief is a threat to the world peace.

You should study up on the concept of assymetrical warfare.

 

[VanHiscers]

You should study up on the concept of assymetrical warfare.

Thanks for you that you think I should study something that deep. For return, I suggest you should learn how to spell some complicated words in your mother language, which is also my second language, because "assymetrical" is not a word, it should be "asymmetrical".

 

[Kulindahr]

Thanks for you that you think I should study something that deep. For return, I suggest you should learn how to spell some complicated words in your mother language, which is also my second language, because "assymetrical" is not a word, it should be "asymmetrical".

"Deep"? That's casual reading!

And where did you develop such a snotty attitude?

 

[VanHiscers]

"Deep"? That's casual reading!

And where did you develop such a snotty attitude?

Sorry, I don't read such things for "casual" reading, it's not casual at all. I read stuff like "The Chronicles of Narnia" for casual reading.

Where did I develop such a snotty attitude? Without any comment of my post, just say "You should study up on the concept of assymetrical warfare", what was your attitude? Obviously you just think my point of view is nothing but a naive thought, and there was no need to debate. I'm sorry that we have different cultures, but translate your words directly into Chinese, you were insulting me.

 

[Kulindahr]

Narnia is deep stuff -- my old copy was lined in the margins with citations from philosophy, church history, ancient literature... Lewis wove all his knowledge and thought into those books.


I don't think in Chinese, or even read it -- sorry. I do several languages, but none Oriental (well, ancient Hebrew was kind of Oriental...).

 

[tonyboy]

Mexico is in America...

In case you are not aware, America is everything from Alaska to Tierra del Fuego.

You should write: Iraq or Mexico: Who threatens the U.S.A. more?

I would say it is the enemy within...arrogance and ignorance...like the one you display.

A very good point is made here..... I don't know why the leaders of the USA continue to call us America.... As was said ^, America runs from the top of North American to the bottom of South America.....
Those of us that live in the United States of America only share the title of Americans with those in Canada, Latin and South America.....

Presidents of the USA before the time approximate time of Andrew Johnson referred to our country as These United States of America.... in later years we were called The United States of America...... Now our political leaders and those in the media refer to us as America.
It is wrong....

 

[VanHiscers]

A very good point is made here..... I don't know why the leaders of the USA continue to call us America.... As was said ^, America runs from the top of North American to the bottom of South America.....
Those of us that live in the United States of America only share the title of Americans with those in Canada, Latin and South America.....

Presidents of the USA before the time approximate time of Andrew Johnson referred to our country as These United States of America.... in later years we were called The United States of America...... Now our political leaders and those in the media refer to us as America.
It is wrong....

Well, America does refer to the whole continent, but when I started to learn English, America is also a short form for the USA.

But think about this, if the citizens of the US can be called Americans and America is only the name for the continent, So a Canadian is American, a Mexican is American, and an Argentine is American?

Well, that's not right, either.

 

[Kulindahr]

I suspect it came along with the semi-worship of the country reflected in such near-hymns as "America The Beautiful" and others.

 

[Alberto_15]

I know Europe and Canada are bad. They essentially operate on the premise that the people belong to the government. The U.S. still works at clinging to the truth that the government belongs to the people,

LMFAO

 

[Alberto_15]

^ good points.

But the way Mexico is treating the U.S. as their dumping ground for millions of people, as though they have a right to bleed off population northward, makes them a threat -- they're messing with our economy.

But they're an indirect threat due to that same long border; evidence of terrorists using it to get here have already been found. That ties in with Mexico's policy of acting as though they have a right to encourage illegal immigration. That attitude tells me they don't really care about U.S. security, because they want to let the border leak big-time.

The way Mexico treats the U.S. goes way beyond immigration and no government of Mexico has a policy of exporting its citizens North. WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR INFORMATION? I would really like to know.

evidence of terrorists comming via Mexico? that is completely F-A-L-S-E. If terrorists are smart they would come via Canada rather than Mexico since that border is not as controled as the southern border is. And jfyi, the terrorists or 9/11 did not come via Mexico or Canada. They arrived right into our soil with their respective documents in perfect order to arrive legally.

 

[sparky95]

It's horribly socialist -- the degree to which the government tells you how to run your own business is nauseating.

Raw capitalism is what built this country. We didn't start having real problems until the government started poking its fingers in -- and there is a very strong case that the government's meddling was what made 1929 a real disaster.

"Overproducing of farming" is a fallacy -- if there's too much food, prices drop, some people switch to a different business, and the food supply stabilizes. It's also a myth because we have a hungry world in which it isn't possible to overproduce farming.
If the government would stop subsidizing giant corporations like ConAgra, it would help.

What history have you been reading? Your country is hardly socialist!BTW the economy in the South was built on slavery, you know when someone OWNS someone else. The New Englanders also made a lot of money from shipping slaves and slave produced products. Such "raw capitalists" such as Henry Ford were quite content to use hired thugs to beat up his workers. Strangely most people would regard these as problems...... I really don't think Mexico gives the US more problems than any other country. I mean where else will you source cheap labour. Kulindar, I have to ask these questions. How old are you? And previously you stated that you live partialy on a pension. Is it private or government supplied?

 

[sparky95]

Um, are you saying these are current problems though? Really? So what other nations endure the same amount of problems from Mexico? And this is interesting coming from a nation that is neighbored by sharks and reefs. The unemployed we already have... I'm not entirely sure if these sorta details are actually relevant.

First off, regarding Reason, I've never read it, but it claims to be a Libertarian magazine, which isn't necessarily right-wing; it's own words: "Reason provides a refreshing alternative to right-wing and left-wing opinion magazines by making a principled case for liberty and individual choice in all areas of human activity." http://www.reason.com/about/

Anyway, regarding the quoted text of yours above: Ha! That was awesome!

I'm sorry but as this thread seems to be all over the place and yet another propaganda tool for the Libertarians ,I thought I may as well put in my two cents.

 

[bimmrboy]

A very good point is made here..... I don't know why the leaders of the USA continue to call us America.... As was said ^, America runs from the top of North American to the bottom of South America.....
Those of us that live in the United States of America only share the title of Americans with those in Canada, Latin and South America.....

Presidents of the USA before the time approximate time of Andrew Johnson referred to our country as These United States of America.... in later years we were called The United States of America...... Now our political leaders and those in the media refer to us as America.
It is wrong....

The rest of the world tends to think of the U.S. that way sometimes too. Look at the terrorists, they say they hate Americans and you see it in the world press as well. It's not just prevalent to the citizens of the U.S. therefore it's hardly that arrogant, though technically correct.

 

[Kulindahr]

He's been getting his info from REASON, about as right-wing a rag as you can find anywhere. I just couldn't believe it; you could have knocked me over with a feather.

But I have to agree with him on the immigration problem. Just how many can our economy absorb? There's a limit somewhere.

Dude, do you ever read REASON?
They're nowhere near "right wing" -- unless you consider advocating ending the "War on Drugs" as right-wing, or "a woman's right to choose".
They're a better source than almost any other mag I've read except scholarly journals -- because they have the attitude of a scholarly journal. They rarely given opinion, and when they do, it's labeled. They prefer articles that are documented.

What they do is favor individual rights -- which makes the Left call them Right, and the Right call them Left.

 

[Kulindahr]

Somehow I don't see advocating freedom as right-wing. The right-wingers to me are characterized by efforts to strengthen government's power over people, especially their private lives, and spend what's needed to do that, and enlarge it as needed to do that. It doesn't match at all the small-government, low taxes that REASON advocates.

As I noted, REASON tends to offer articles that are well-documented, which besides the fact that their economic positions make good sense is why I tend to believe them.

 

[joehill]

This is going to be hard for most Americans to believe but the USA has two borders one to the south and one to the north and Mexicans are not the only illegales in the country one of the next largest groups are the Irish but they are white so I guess they do not count and if any one wants a job picking fruits and veges please
be my guest