Is anal sex preventing mainstream acceptance?

[saymyname]

With our end goals being different, thus our method of reaching them. (keep the pun, it fits)

The difference in value systems is what shocks them to the core. That's where the whole "if you just had a good woman to do you right" notion cropped up.

I totally agree with this.

 

[Just_Believe18]

By your logic, lesbians are completely accepted in society and face no discrimination or feelings of revulsion by their fellow citizens.


Does that answer your question?

 

[Nomenclature]

I think in certain respects we gay men are delusional. I DO NOT believe most straights are interested or empathetic towards anal sex. I remember a chat with my liberal, openminded sister about the topic and she was simply repulsed and refused to agree that there was anything positive about anal sex.

Sweetie, the majority of straight women don't like anal sex. It's straight men who watch it in porn, fantasize about it and try to talk their girlfriends/fiances/wives into trying it. It's the men who're fascinated with anal sex.

I've only ever spoken to ONE woman in my entire life who admitted to me that she actually liked receiving anal sex. . .but i've spoken to dozens of straight guys who loved doing girls in the butt, or at least fantasized about it. Go on a site like xTube and you'll see videos of ecstatic straight guys showcasing "I FINALLY got it in her ass for a couple of seconds!! hurp durp"

I believe the mere thought of anal sex leads straights to have visions and smells of feces. Most have no idea of anal preparation/cleaning and instead think we hop in there and start packin.'

Not only do most (straight) people not understand the whole concept of porn being a "movie" with "professional actors" that takes hours to film, but they also think that gay couples "fuck each other in the ass all the time". They don't understand the concept of "top and bottom", or that we usually prefer oral, etc etc.


It's a case of people fearing what they don't actually understand.

 

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[mbamike]

Lots of straight guys and heterosexual couples like anal sex. I think it has more to do with the fact that we are taught from an very early age that sexual affection between two guys is unnatural.

 

[justright25]

The answer is no as the majority of men (around 70%) in the USA have admitted to attempting anal sex though only about 1/3 of women accept having done so. Either one side is lying or the other is. Either way anal sex is not the reason they hate us unless it is because they are envious!

 

[Sam Blum]

I've often wondered why we as gay men are having such a hard time being accepted by the mainstream. I've come to think it's because of the "ick factor." My hypothesis is that even the most openminded straights would rather not think about anal sex. To them it's gross, gross in a way that's hard for gay men to imagine. We've turned an "exit" into an "entrance" and they can't wrap their minds around the concept.

Ultimately is there anything we can do besides saying "get over it?"

Well, given that more straight people have anal sex than gay people, I think that you're wrong to reach this conclusion.

And really, do you think about straight sex whenever you meet a straight person?

It has more to do with socialisation, power and finances than anything else. And what on earht leads one to the notion that gay men MUST have invented anal sex??? What, straight people, who are in the majority and exceed us in participatory numbers and are our originators couldn't have dreamt this up? WTF?

 

[Speeds]

Straight couples love anal sex as much as gay people....

 

[fetaby]

Unclean, I don't think you were clear enough...

THE WOMEN ARE LYING ABOUT IT!


There ya go.

 

[wooffy]

WTF is with the obsession with "acceptance"? Who cares? Give me equal rights, keep your morality out of my community, and stay out of my way.

Funny thing is, with that attitude and being openly gay, poly, and a leatherman I seldom find any lack of acceptance.

 

[bulge]

According to g0ys it prevents acceptance. G0ys try to respectabilize M4M and don't want any anal. I am against anal too, but only for STD-prevention.

http://g0ys.org/

G0ys don't want to be kinky, otherwise I would be a perfect g0y.

Some gay forums are very critical of g0ys.

http://www.straightacting.com/phpbb3/

Anal is typically a str8 problem. Str8s badly suffer from penetration compulsion. In a str8 mind you must penetrate to have full sex, while gays don't need any penetration for full sex.

The problem is str8s wrongly (in bad faith?) project their own penetration compulsion on gays, while anal penetration is probably practiced in less than 10% of M2M sex. Most gay sex is mutual masturbation or sucking.

Str8s think as they must resort to penetration gays must do the same.

 

[wooffy]

According to g0ys it prevents acceptance. G0ys try to respectabilize M4M and don't want any anal. I am against anal too, but only for STD-prevention.

I've come across g0ys before.... can we say homophobic?

I'm a fag/gay/queer. Like a lot of other gay man, I like to fuck ass and take it up the ass. So do some women, and so do some straight men. Anyone guy a problem with that needs to be a man and learn to cope.

If I can describe, in detail, what will happen at the "dungeon" event during the Mr. Leather Ottawa weekend to the venue owners - Irish Catholics, the venue being a former church - then most people can certainly learn to cope with their butt-sex issues.

On a lighter note, I love the attitude of one of my friend: when she is dating a guy, one of the rules is that they will go buy a strap-on Dildo for her to use on him. I love her!

 

[bulge]

I've come across g0ys before.... can we say homophobic?

I'm a fag/gay/queer. Like a lot of other gay man, I like to fuck ass and take it up the ass. So do some women, and so do some straight men. Anyone guy a problem with that needs to be a man and learn to cope.

If I can describe, in detail, what will happen at the "dungeon" event during the Mr. Leather Ottawa weekend to the venue owners - Irish Catholics, the venue being a former church - then most people can certainly learn to cope with their butt-sex issues.

On a lighter note, I love the attitude of one of my friend: when she is dating a guy, one of the rules is that they will go buy a strap-on dildo for her to use on him. I love her!

I am with you. I have nothing against being a faggot and I am a faggot surprised like a little boy by any new man he sees ready to rediscover America in any new man just like Christopher Columbus.

The problem with g0yness is it wants to ignore the guy's part where a guy's very manhood sits. A guy's manhood sits up arse as the very power station of manhood, the prostate, sits there.

 

[Latimer]

I don't give a flying fuck.

 

[saymyname]

WTF is with the obsession with "acceptance"? Who cares? Give me equal rights, keep your morality out of my community, and stay out of my way.

Right on. One of the best things said in this entire thread, I think.

Funny thing is, with that attitude and being openly gay, poly, and a leatherman I seldom find any lack of acceptance.

I think it's awesome that you're brave enough to be out like that and you aren't falling into the mainstream trap of wanting to assimilate so that we can be presentable. The entire point of gay lib is that it's okay to be different.

That goy stuff is stupid. If you aren't into anal, that's one thing. This is something else entirely. Reminds me of a site I saw a while ago about frottage only sex. Those guys must be so repressed. They are just perpetuating even more homophobia by employing the term straight-acting, especially using it in an identity-label kind of way. That term just represents how much self perpetuated homophobia goes on in our own community, how much patriarchy goes on in our own community, and how much the perpetuation of stereotypes (perpetuated by mainstream straight media) affects gay people in general.

Bulge - I agree with you that one of the most amazing things about queer sex is that we aren't always bent on penetration.

 

[wooffy]

I think it's awesome that you're brave enough to be out like that and you aren't falling into the mainstream trap of wanting to assimilate so that we can be presentable. The entire point of gay lib is that it's okay to be different.

Thank you. It had been very rewarding, and of course the more out you are, the easier it gets. Given my role in the local community now, there wouldn't be much point to trying to hide anything, so might as well let it all hang out, so to speak.

 

[slnattak]

Why do you care so much about what other people think? I'm not going to let somebody's ignorance be my excuse to feel like shit. And who says gays aren't accepted mainstream? If you're looking for everybody to like and love and respect you, then all you're doing is living a fairytale.

Seriously man, you gotta just toughen up and not give a shit what they think. And align yourself with people who will love you no matter what.

We all might need heterosexuality to create us (and of course that's not true either), but we don't need it to live our lives and find happiness within our selves.

 

[slnattak]

I think in certain respects we gay men are delusional.

No. Not any more or less than straight people. If anything, straight people are the ones wrong with the world. It's the straight people that start the wars and all the fights and so many people look up to them? lol crazy. The gay community has their share of problems but compared to straight people we're Gods. I'm SERIOUS. Ugh.

Why do you want to be accepted by lesser creatures. It is they who need our love. Not the other way around. <grin>

 

[clicker]

No. Not any more or less than straight people. If anything, straight people are the ones wrong with the world. It's the straight people that start the wars and all the fights and so many people look up to them? lol crazy. The gay community has their share of problems but compared to straight people we're Gods. I'm SERIOUS. Ugh.

Why do you want to be accepted by lesser creatures. It is they who need our love. Not the other way around. <grin>

Amen, bro. You said that right!!!

 

[bankside]

Anal sex is inspiring mainstream enjoyment.