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Is anyone here w/out ins. going to reject "ObamaCare"?

ObamaCare, yes or no?

  • Fuck Obama and his socialist schemes!

    Votes: 6 50.0%

  • I will sign up...quietly.

    Votes: 6 50.0%
  • Total voters
    12
No one knows what the cost will be. The insurance companies must start paying the bills of the sick who have no insurance-- the preexisting illnesses. Then, they must raise premiums on their other insurers to recoup those losses plus the allowed profit, and, the premiums must be enough to anticipate medical cost in the coming year.
 
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Thanks, but still very confusing. They need someone in marketing to put it into simple English.
 
Benvolio said:
No one knows what the cost will be. The insurance companies must start paying the bills of the sick who have no insurance-- the preexisting illnesses. Then, they must raise premiums on their other insurers to recoup those losses plus the allowed profit, and, the premiums must be enough to anticipate medical cost in the coming year.
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All the more reason why we need a National Health Service, which has been proposed before but shot down by the insurance companies aided by right wing republicans.
 
CowboyBob said:
All the more reason why we need a National Health Service, which has been proposed before but shot down by the insurance companies aided by right wing republicans.
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With a trillion dollar deficit now, we would have to borrow the entire cost of socialized medicine from the Chinese.
 
I and my partner have dual citizenship we are now also UK. Citizens. Income Tax here for the average earner is 22%. My partner earns much more. I have never worked here as I retired young in the States. Both he and I have totally free health insurance. The only thing we pay for is prescriptions. about $10 per prescription. Even if the prescription actually cost $100 a month it is $10. The only two countries on earth that have no form of health insurance like England is The U.S. and South Africa. Being a veteran of the U.S. Army I would not be totally covered either. But what the U.S. has enough money for is the defence budget. The Iraq war which was totally wrong cost so much it would have covered free or nearly free medical for all Americans for years. Sad!
 
Benvolio said:
With a trillion dollar deficit now, we would have to borrow the entire cost of socialized medicine from the Chinese.
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Why?

Most countries operating a national health service ensure that the cost of such a service is met by monthly contributions of the working person. Here in Greece each working person contributes to a national insurance fund which covers health care under the national health service and state pension from the age of 65 years.

Free health care is offered by the national health service to unemployed persons in need of urgent treatment.

There is also a private health care system available in Greece to all who wish to pay working alongside the national health care system. The private health care system is also used by the state run health service to treat their patientsunder contract such as the Onassis Cardiological Centre, Athens offering world class treatment.

http://www.onassis.gr/en/public-benefit-onassis-cardiac-surgery.php
 
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What's your rate for next year?

Who do you contact to get your insurance?

When is your payment due? Who do you make the check out to?

Who do you call when you have a problem?


Sorry you flunked out of college.
 
Benvolio said:
With a trillion dollar deficit now, we would have to borrow the entire cost of socialized medicine from the Chinese.
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You're saying essentially that it is too expensive for everyone to see a doctor.
 
bankside said:
You're saying essentially that it is too expensive for everyone to see a doctor.
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With a trillion a year deficit, fewer than half the eligible voters paying income tax, 47% receiving some welfare, (not including Medicare and social security) and millions more streaming in every year, universal health care is not feasible. Worse, with such an incentive, more would come in.
 
bankside said:
You're saying essentially that it is too expensive for everyone to see a doctor.
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Agreed. What really needs to be done is to encourage the elderly, disabled and ill to die. Poor people too. If you get sick, die. It's more cost effective and will reduce tax rates for [STRIKE]millionaires[/STRIKE]... oops, I mean the job creators and corporations. This will increase profits for stockholders.

So be a patriotic American: if you're elderly, sick, disabled or poor, die.


Maybe those Death Panels hidden in the depths of ObamaCare aren't such a bad thing....;)
 
This is going to be like Medicare. It will take years for to see the overall benefits/downsides depending on your situation. You have to start somewhere to address the problem of medical cost (why not start with making hospital not overcharge people, I don't know). We have been living high on the hog (the country as a whole, not individuals) and now its time to buckle down because things have gotten out of hand and as usual, everyone suffers except the super rich, but what else are you going to do. I know every keeps going on about the deficit but be honest, can you say how it is affecting your daily life? Can you not pay your bills because of the deficit? Most of us work and have PC's, access to the internet and at xmas, we all talk about the nice stuff we purchased or received. I have friends who have purchased homes and vehicles and still complain but that is because they are living outside of their means, like most of us are, and its hard to cut back once you get use to having most of what you want.
 
We should stop making the problem worse. Unfortunately, the Democrats want more and more poor people. Suppose we adopt universal health care and the government stops being able to borrow money? The health care system will collapse catastrophically, along with the economy. Make that when, not if the government cannot borrow.
 
If your asking tea-partiers if they would rather die than have to take responsibility for themselves it should be obvious by now the answer is yes. If it wasn't we wouldn't need Obamacare, so - take that bitches.
 
Benvolio said:
With a trillion a year deficit, fewer than half the eligible voters paying income tax, 47% receiving some welfare, (not including Medicare and social security) and millions more streaming in every year, universal health care is not feasible. Worse, with such an incentive, more would come in.
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Our circumstances here in Greece are much, much worse with our national health service under great strain even, buckling under the pressure of under funding as a result of 28 pct unemployment and loss of revenue that would normally fund our health service and pensions system ...nevertheless...state hospitals are working, health care centres are working and people are receiving treatment even with shortages daily reminding us that all is not well with our national health service.

For those who can afford it there is a private health care system that works more quickly and provides sole occupancy rooms, carpeted floors and physicians who will offer more time to their patients....but for very serious stuff, such as urgent surgery for cardiac related issues state hospitals remain the ideal venue.

Don't ignore the experiences of other countries where national health systems have been working since the 1940s.
 
Benvolio said:
We should stop making the problem worse. Unfortunately, the Democrats want more and more poor people. Suppose we adopt universal health care and the government stops being able to borrow money? The health care system will collapse catastrophically, along with the economy. Make that when, not if the government cannot borrow.
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Greece is bankrupt yet, our national health service continues to work even, with shortages and waiting lists.

Greece also has a private health care system available for those who can pay.

Unemployed people are also human beings.

Unemployed people should never be denied health care simply because they are currently unemployed.
 
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